What has our nation become ?

[727Sky]

A fair election my butt probably about as fair as the last one ?! The steal is happening and what gets me is they are to stupid to even conceal their 3d world communist corrupt B.S.  Or they know no matter what they can get away with it !

[Ninurta]

It's a little disappointing that they aren't even trying to hide it in some places - they think the voters are just that damned stupid and complacent.

It might turn out that they are - if another election is stolen so brazenly and openly as the last one was, then barring a revolution, stick a fork in us 'cause we're done as a nation.

Some items not mentioned in the video: in Colorado, it turned out that the ROOT passwords for all their voting machines in every county but one have been leaked to the internet, and have been sitting out there in the wild for some time now. That is the ROOT passwords - the passwords to the system underlying the entire system, the place where any changes you want can be made. What could possibly go wrong with that in a country that has become known world-wide for vote theft on behalf of one certain party?

In Virginia, the governor ordered all known illegal aliens to be purged from voter rolls pursuant to a state law that has been law since 2006, and one which has been used by every Democrat governor since then... but now that the Republicans are using it, the DoJ - which I thought was supposed to be safeguarding the elections per it's mandate - sued to have the KNOWN illegals reinstated on the voter rolls, and to prevent any more illegals from being removed from them. The judge that they shopped for and then paid for granted their wet dream, and illegals are back on the rolls. KNOWN illegals.

That opens a couple of questions - 1) why is "our" government not protecting us from vote fraud? Why are they promoting vote fraud instead? 2) what in the HELL are KNOWN illegals even still doing in the US anyhow? 3) WHY do state laws take effect only when they are benefiting Democrats, but when they threaten to make an election fair and legal, they suddenly become ineffective? Why does the DoJ insist that states get to run their own elections as they see fit (remember the hissy fit thew threw in PA in 2020,when PA changed their rules just a couple of weeks before the election, and Republicans tried to call them on it?), UNTIL those elections threaten to become fair and possibly oust the communists from power?

If the American electorate stands still for another stolen election, then we get what we deserve. If we just lay down and take it, then we get what we have coming to us. If we don't fight it tooth and talon, up to and including taking up arms if that's what it comes to and nothing else will do the vote stealers, then we may as well just take down our britches and bend over for them, and expect the same of our children - If we won't fight for them, then who is left to teach them to fight for themselves?

I'm too old to fight big wars any more. All I can do is secede from the US, my little patch of heaven here, and wait for them to come and un-secede me. I know what happened last time that happened, and am under no illusions that I'll survive it... BUT I don't think I really want to live in a nation that I, and all of my forbears, shed blood to create and defend after it's taken over by the enemy. They can plant me in my 7'x4'x6' deep farm, and as many of them as I can take with me when they come to do the planting.

Then I'll finally have peace. They can bury me face down so they can all kiss my ass.

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[Freija]

What has our nation become?

That’s a good question when a grifting, mentally declining old man with dubious moral values and two previous impeachments, 34 felony convictions, multiple pending indictments, accused rapist and grabber of pussies not to mention a sad and sore loser who thinks this country is garbage and veterans are losers with the worst running mate ever is even allowed to run for president. It boggles the mind.

I voted last week.



Did you or do you even?

[Ninurta]

What has our nation become?

That’s a good question when a grifting, mentally declining old man with dubious moral values and two previous impeachments, 34 felony convictions, multiple pending indictments, accused rapist and grabber of pussies not to mention a sad and sore loser who thinks this country is garbage and veterans are losers with the worst running mate ever is even allowed to run for president. It boggles the mind.

I voted last week.



Did you or do you even?

Yup, I vote, although this may be the last election I vote in, if I have to secede, then it wouldn't be right to vote in other folks' elections. I didn't vote last week, because Election Day hasn't come to Virginia yet - what time zone do you live in that you can vote before all the information is in?

It's hard to tell which "old man" you're referring to. Some of that seems to fit the narrative being pushed on Trump, some of it seems to fit the narrative being pushed on Biden, and some of it seems to fit Harris. For example, Walz is the worst running mate in history, but his running mate is Harris - and she doesn't look that much like a man, although the old part is debatable. And the "garbage" comment was actually spoken by Biden, not either Trump or Harris. I reckon he reneged on that "I'll bring America back together" promise, and told Killary to hold his beer while he upstaged her "basket of deplorables" comment by calling at least half the country "garbage".

Here it is, in living color, along with Trumps response of "fuck you, and why should we give a damn about your senile opinion anyhow" troll:





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[727Sky]

What has our nation become?

That’s a good question when a grifting, mentally declining old man with dubious moral values and two previous impeachments, 34 felony convictions, multiple pending indictments, accused rapist and grabber of pussies not to mention a sad and sore loser who thinks this country is garbage and veterans are losers with the worst running mate ever is even allowed to run for president. It boggles the mind.

I voted last week.



Did you or do you even?

Yup, I vote, although this may be the last election I vote in, if I have to secede, then it wouldn't be right to vote in other folks' elections. I didn't vote last week, because Election Day hasn't come to Virginia yet - what time zone do you live in that you can vote before all the information is in?

It's hard to tell which "old man" you're referring to. Some of that seems to fit the narrative being pushed on Trump, some of it seems to fit the narrative being pushed on Biden, and some of it seems to fit Harris. For example, Walz is the worst running mate in history, but his running mate is Harris - and she doesn't look that much like a man, although the old part is debatable. And the "garbage" comment was actually spoken by Biden, not either Trump or Harris. I reckon he reneged on that "I'll bring America back together" promise, and told Killary to hold his beer while he upstaged her "basket of deplorables" comment by calling at least half the country "garbage".

Here it is, in living color, along with Trumps response of "fuck you, and why should we give a damn about your senile opinion anyhow" troll:





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That was a typical MSN/CNN response especially the 34 lawfare felonies. .... anyone who can not see past the propaganda is to far gone to argue with IMO.

[Ninurta]

That was a typical MSN/CNN response especially the 34 lawfare felonies. .... anyone who can not see past the propaganda is to far gone to argue with IMO.

To be honest, I wasn't sold on Trump. I was debating whether to sit this election out, or vote for the Libertarian. I still think Trump cpould do better, and more effective, work by working behind the scenes instead of jumping up front - being a kingmaker, making back-room deals, that sort of thing, rather than sitting in the Oval Office. I just didn't think he was all that effective with all of the entire Depp State and Globalist cabal arrayed against him. He had to spend more time defending himself from them than working for us.

Then, just 2 days ago, I saw a MoveOn.org ad on TV, of all things, that convinced me.

It listed a bunch of alleged Trump acomplishments. Now, to be faitr, not all of the stuff attributed to him in the ad were actual Trump accomplishments. Some of them were not his, and some of them were not accomplishments, because they never happened at all. But enough of them WERE his, and accomplishments, to convince me to vote for him.

I don't think that's what MoveOn,org had in mind when they created the propaganda hit piece, but that was the effect. Their mistake was including just enough truth to lend the lies veracity, as the best propaganda used to do. It was their reminding me of the facts in amongst the rubble they were piling up that did it.

They even included a bit at the end imploring me to vote for HarrisWalz - as if I would EVER vote for a man that I consider a deserter and a traitor! - at the end, which was my clue that it wasn't really a Trump ad.

Another mistake they made was listing Trump "accomplishments" while being painfully obvious that they were utterly unable to list any Harris accomplishments, because she has none. I'd have to be a fool to not vote for someone that can do shit, and instead vote for someone with a proven track record of NOT being able to do shit, y'know?

So, yeah, I can say that MoveOn.org convinced me to vote, and to vote for Trump.

Here are Harris' strong points - Walz doesn't have any:





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[727Sky]

I do wish there were better choices as I can not stand listening to Trump... I do appreciate what some of his stated policies are offering. Nothing the Democrats have done would make me vote for them. Drill, close the borders and remove those who should not be here illegally.... I am still not sure Trump can win for like Stalin said, it does not matter who you vote for only the ones who count the votes really matter..

I do like Trump simply because he pisses off the people and networks I can not stand to watch or listen to.

[727Sky]

interesting civilized interview

Key Takeaways From Vance’s 3-Hour Interview With Joe Rogan
The Republican vice presidential nominee noted the many changes that have occurred for his family since he became a candidate.

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Podcaster Joe Rogan on Oct. 31 released a roughly three-and-a-half-hour interview with Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), former President Donald Trump’s running mate.
During the interview, Rogan and Vance touched on a variety of topics related both to politics and Vance’s personal life. Here are the biggest takeaways from the podcast.
How Trump Chose Him
Near the start of the interview, Vance discussed how he was selected to be Trump’s running mate—and how it’s changed his and his family’s life.
Vance said he didn’t learn that Trump had picked him until July 15, the first day of the Republican National Convention. That day, he said he missed Trump’s first effort to call him as he was playing with his children.
A few minutes later, he realized that he had missed the call and called Trump back.
“Hey, sir, what’s going on?” Vance recalled saying.
He said Trump replied: “JD, you’ve just missed a very important phone call. I’m gonna have to pick someone else.”
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Vance said he began to panic, only for Trump to say: “No, I’m just kidding. Obviously, I want you to be my vice president.”
Vance said the call wasn’t a total surprise; by that point, he believed he had about a 60 percent chance of being picked for the No. 2 job.
Though Vance has been a U.S. Senator since 2023, he said he was able to remain somewhat anonymous most of the time—people often had no idea who he was.
“It’s definitely weird just not being anonymous at all anymore,” Vance said.
He noted the many changes that have occurred for his family since he became a candidate: his child’s schoolmates have started a game called “boss man” where they pretend to be Secret Service agents; Vance can’t drive his family around anymore; and he receives both praise and condemnation from people in public.
“There are a lot of benefits to it. There’s a lot of downsides to it,” Vance said. “It’s what I asked for. I don’t have to think too much about it or complain too much about it. I just try to accept it.”
Vance Skeptical of Money in Politics
Vance described how the Republican Party was changing under Trump—particularly in relation to its attitude toward corporations and money in politics.
Vance and Rogan discussed a variety of controversial social issues—transgenderism, environmentalism, Big Tech, and the pharmaceutical industry—that Vance said are all influenced by money.
Vance has often outlined a unique position on economic issues that aligns more closely with populism than with 20th-century Republican positions. He’s expressed support for unions in principle; he’s often critical of corporate and elite institutions; he’s pushed for state policies to incentivize the creation of families.
Once, Vance said, Republicans were openly the party of corporations. Since Trump’s entry into the party in 2016, however, Vance said that Republicans are now more willing to ask “Is this corporation’s interest in the American people’s interest?”
When evaluating other social movements, Vance said that people need to apply more scrutiny to their potential hidden motives.
For instance, he noted that transgender drugs and operations are profitable to the pharmaceutical industry, as were COVID-19 vaccines—particularly because pharmaceutical companies are given broad immunity from liability for adverse reactions.
“We should just ask ourselves, ‘Who’s getting rich from this stuff?’ Maybe we should be skeptical of people getting rich from this stuff,” Vance said.
“The whole conduit of money into politics is fundamentally broken, we have to fix that.”
Vance Confirms Chinese Cellphone Hack
Reports citing anonymous sources last week suggested that hackers linked to the Chinese Communist Party may have targeted Trump and Vance, although the FBI and the Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) could only confirm the hackers’ origin, not the victims.
The senator confirmed on Thursday that his and Trump’s cellphones had likely been compromised.
The exchange followed a question from Rogan about the United States’s vulnerability to cyber attacks.
“We do have a real problem … my phone was allegedly hacked by Chinese hackers,” Vance said.
Rogan asked the senator if the hack exposed anything critical on his phone, but Vance said he would have to wait and find out, although he uses message encryption, which prevented the hackers from seeing his private messages.
Vance said he learned that his and Trump’s phones were hacked due to telecommunications infrastructure that was implemented following the Patriot Act.
“What I’ve been told is that that infrastructure was used by this Chinese hacker organization called Salt Typhoon, and that’s how they got into the Verizon network, and that’s how they got into the AT&T network,” Vance said.
Vance’s claims could not be independently verified by The Epoch Times.
The CISA declined to comment on the matter.
The Epoch Times also requested comment from the FBI and Justice Department and received no response by publication time.
Abortion
The two also discussed abortion. Vance said he and Trump want to make it a state issue—so California can make its own laws while Alabama can do the same. Trump recently said he would veto a national abortion ban if Congress sent one to his desk. Vice President Kamala Harris has accused Trump of lying and has used the 2022 Supreme Court Dobbs decision to mobilize women voters.
Rogan said he worries that some states with strict bans could put women in “very vulnerable positions” if they seek care across state lines, and face potential legal consequences when they return home. The host also said the “life begins at conception” position is rooted in religion, and is concerned about that dictating “whether or not a person can legally travel to another state.”
Vance said he is not aware of laws that could do that, but nonetheless disagrees with arresting women seeking abortions.
“I think I’m trying to be fair to both sides here [and] balance the interest in life against the interest in autonomy,” Vance said, adding that “pro-life” people need to be “pro-family” beyond just being “pro-birth.”
During a Pennsylvania rally on Oct. 30, Vance said that he had sat down with Rogan for four hours earlier the same day. He used the opportunity to criticize Vice President Kamala Harris for not taking part in more interviews.
Harris has also been in communication with Rogan about joining his program, though her campaign has made demands Rogan is currently unwilling to accommodate. Rogan has left the door open to a later interview.

[FlickerOfLight]

A fair election my butt probably about as fair as the last one ?! The steal is happening and what gets me is they are to stupid to even conceal their 3d world communist corrupt B.S.  Or they know no matter what they can get away with it !

Because they can, get away with it. 
This emboldenning we are seeing is a mere prelude to what's right around the corner. The hammer is about to drop.

Hope no one is attached to the things they love and have worked hard for. Because, it's about to be taken.

And.....you will love big brother.

Nothing will change with this, or any other election.
We haven't been in a democracy for a long long time, RN.
It was all decided at Bohemian Grove.



I'm learning to detach from "things." Being content in any situation is my goal. I'm close to that now.

So, Election-schelection pffffttt. They wouldn't let the fate of the world rest on "common folk."

Yet, we all wait, as it we've "made a difference."

They sit back and laugh.

Up yours, TPTB. I see you.

[MrJesterium]

A fair election my butt probably about as fair as the last one ?! The steal is happening and what gets me is they are to stupid to even conceal their 3d world communist corrupt B.S.  Or they know no matter what they can get away with it !

Yeah, they're not even trying to hide it.

Also, I don't think their agenda should be labelled as communist, that seems unfair, it's much worse than what the Soviets had. Last week, I went through the list of presidental candidates, only the socialist candidates stood out with a superb community service track record and actually addressed prevailing social conditions (the other parties were just making promises or they're claiming to be the "only" party that can save us), but the likelihood of America turning communist is actually slim to none. It's insufficient to speak up for only the working class, it's why communism is too outdated.

Yeah, this could be the last official election, either Democrats or Trump will make a move to seize power by unlawful means. A German contact told me about the situation in Germany:

"If fascists are resurfacing they do so in the manner of defending democracy, which is happening in thuringia atm. 1/3rd of the voters atm are without any precursors robbed of their vote, as a democratic voted for party is robbed of their rights, and the voters are stigmatized at the same."

"As for the AFD, I am no fan of them, but the Green Party the SPD, the CDU and the leftists atm try to supress it by force and by breaking established laws."

Back in July, my contact MrM claimed:

"It might not be noticeable but part of the military sector right now is discussing what the options are. The arrests were supposed to happen during Trump's first term but it got stopped because Trump and his Administration decided that the public was not ready for such a move within the country and the federal sectors.
However, right now the fact they made an attempt there are massive considerations if the 2 party system is valid, and if the Democratic party should even be allowed to exist as it is creating literal extremist elements within the country."

[Michigan Swamp Buck]

Vote for Pogo the Clown or Pennywise and if you want a third-party candidate you always have Bozo and Krusty.

[MrJesterium]

I'm too old to fight big wars any more. All I can do is secede from the US, my little patch of heaven here, and wait for them to come and un-secede me.

Texas might be worth keeping an eye on, they have a history of attempts to secede from the US. Texans make a huge deal out of independence and are proud of their past. If a civil war breaks out, it'll likely be first fought in Texas.

An American guy with a military schooling and who grew up in Texas, told me, "I would strongly guess Houston... Maybe one of the cities along the I-35 corridor. Could be a smaller place, like Waco or Killeen/Temple, or one of the major cities like Ft. Worth. I’ll say Ft. Worth as a second guess."

I don't think it'll be in big cities like Houston or Austin, but definitely near a military base.

[xuenchen]

The U.S. is becoming a real Mob-Rule true Democracy where corruption is King and dumbfuckedness is the normal 

[727Sky]

The U.S. is becoming a real Mob-Rule true Democracy where corruption is King and dumbfuckedness is the normal 

Fake but to good to not pass on.... https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=ht...ancr_add=1

[727Sky]

Some of the events on how we got here.. https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/185216397...fRTk4TaWEg

[Michigan Swamp Buck]

The U.S. is becoming a real Mob-Rule true Democracy where corruption is King and dumbfuckedness is the normal 

Fake but to good to not pass on.... https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=ht...ancr_add=1

Don't smile around horned toads. If they can see your teeth and count them all, you will die.

Also, they can squirt blood from their eyes.

[Ninurta]

Yeah, they're not even trying to hide it.

Also, I don't think their agenda should be labelled as communist, that seems unfair, it's much worse than what the Soviets had. Last week, I went through the list of presidental candidates, only the socialist candidates stood out with a superb community service track record and actually addressed prevailing social conditions (the other parties were just making promises or they're claiming to be the "only" party that can save us), but the likelihood of America turning communist is actually slim to none. It's insufficient to speak up for only the working class, it's why communism is too outdated.

I've been thinking about communism the past couple of days, and have come to the conclusion that it was a red herring, which also means most of my life was wasted, fighting against phantoms. Oh, to be sure, there were and are communists about, but they are only fronts for something far old and far more insidious. They were, and are, only paper tigers thrust forward to distract us from the folks who are pulling their strings to make them dance and draw our attention.

Communism as practiced in the 20th century was really nothing more than a veneer for age-old feudalism, a mechanism to keep the serfs serfing and funnel their wealth to the top dawg(s). Using the Soviet Union as an example, the proletariat (a re-naming of "serfs" for all practical purposes) worked themselves to death in the fields and factories for nearly nothing, laboring under perpetual shortages of practically everything at the peon level, while the elites chased their secretaries around at their dachas, secure in the knowledge that all of the wealth was going to funnel it's way up to them. The same happened, and is still happening, in communist and socialist nations around the globe.

It's really all just age-old feudalism, with the barons in the manor houses keeping the serfs bound to the land and restricted in their defacto ability to move, while shoveling up the products of the serf's work and leaving them dregs to live on.

Now "communism" has gone out of fashion, bit it has been replaced with "progressiveism", a new name for the same old concept, rebranded and repackaged to make it more palatable for the masses. The WEF is currently spearheading the effort to re-feudalize the world, just as the Communist International spearheaded the effort in the 20th century.

BUT it's still the same old monster with a brand new face.

While we were hunting and killing communists back in the day, we should have been storming the baronial manor house that were pulling the strings of their puppets.

The baronial lords must "collectivize" everyone in order to properly deal with and fleece us. They cannot go after every little individual, they instead must categorize and clump us all together into "groups" of one stripe or another, and then deal with the groups as a whole rather than chase down all the individuals. Their grip is not fine enough to get down to the individual level. The communists and socialists spoke in terms of "classes", and the modern-day versions of them, the progressives, speak in terms of "race", "gender", "protected classes", and the like, but really it's the same old song and dance - categorize, collectivize, divide, and conquer.

The first step in fighting the modern-day Collectivists is not putting bullets in heads, it is the simplest act of rebellion - refusing to be a part of one of their divisive groups or "classes". That is where it starts, and if it started there and spread outward, they could be defeated with never a shot being fired. As 727Sky's signature says, "no one leads if no one follows".

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I personally don't think it's government's job to deal with social issues. Politicians ought to deal with politics, because we have a society to deal with social issues. I tend to avoid politicians who can't stay in their lane, which is politics rather than social ills. The only reason politicians engage with social issues is to grab more power and exercise it over the peons. We can figure out for ourselves what we want to do and how we want to do it, thank you very much. We don't need the barons deciding for us how we should live, what we should do, and how we should think.

I hold that same indictment against communists, socialists, and the current rebranded progressives... who are all, after all and every one of them, merely doing the bidding of the baronial lords, rather than we the people. Anyone who thinks they have a mandate to tell you what to think or how to live is one of them. NO ONE has a right to do your thinking for you, which was the original premise of the United States and their rejection of feudalism.

The United States was born as a "republic" and emphatically NOT as a "democracy". The D-word has just crept in over time as a means to attempt to collectivize America and make it easier for the baronial overlords to rule over it all from their manor houses. It was never meant to be a nation of mob-rule without safeguards for those with a minority opinion. If we are to have mob-rule under the guise of "democracy", then we don't need any government at all - all we need is a mob.

Yeah, this could be the last official election, either Democrats or Trump will make a move to seize power by unlawful means. A German contact told me about the situation in Germany:

"If fascists are resurfacing they do so in the manner of defending democracy, which is happening in thuringia atm. 1/3rd of the voters atm are without any precursors robbed of their vote, as a democratic voted for party is robbed of their rights, and the voters are stigmatized at the same."

"As for the AFD, I am no fan of them, but the Green Party the SPD, the CDU and the leftists atm try to supress it by force and by breaking established laws."

It sounds like things are getting tough all over, and a worldwide fight is brewing between those who would seize power over everyone else by any means necessary, and those who fear no lords and are about to say, loudly, that they've had about a damned 'nuff of it.

It can't happen soon enough.

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[Ninurta]

Texas might be worth keeping an eye on, they have a history of attempts to secede from  the US. Texans make a huge deal out of independence and are proud of their past.  If a civil war breaks out, it'll likely be first fought in Texas.

An American guy with a military schooling and who grew up in Texas, told me, "I would strongly guess Houston... Maybe one of the cities along the I-35 corridor. Could be a smaller place, like Waco or Killeen/Temple, or one of the major cities like Ft. Worth. I’ll say Ft. Worth as a second guess."

I don't think it'll be in big cities like Houston or Austin, but definitely near a military base.

Texas is currently under assault by the Progressives with a mass infiltration from California with the intent to change the demographics of Texas just enough to make it another California clone via the mechanism of "democratic" mob rule - they aim to tip the balance to something just over 51% of the population so that they can then create new laws to bring the other 49% remaining to heel and force them to mend their ways and get into line with the groupthink through lawfare.

So, I don't expect any revolt to start in Texas unless it starts really soon, before the progressives can consolidate their grip on Texas.

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