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			<title><![CDATA[News Article: CIA Used Psychics to Locate Ark of Covenant]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2987</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 16 Aug 2025 02:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cia-s-ark-of-the-covenant-quest-revived-as-new-revelations-point-to-biblical-relic-s-location/ar-AA1KAYeK?cvid=e1a66cfad61f48dae2c22d5c733ab0de&amp;ei=11" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">CIA's Ark of the Covenant quest revived as new revelations point to biblical relic's location</a><br />
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<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna has reignited interest in the sacred relic by spotlighting declassified 1988 CIA documents that allegedly used psychic 'remote viewing' to track it.</span></span></span><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">'The CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant,' Luna said on the <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/joe-rogan/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Joe Rogan</a> Experience, calling it an '<a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/indiana/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Indiana</a> Jones moment.'</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">The documents detail Remote Viewer No. 032, trained to perceive distant objects through psychic means, being given coordinates to observe an unidentified target. </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">The viewer's notes reportedly described a 'container of wood, gold, and silver' adorned with seraphim, hidden in a 'dark and wet' underground site in a Middle Eastern region with 'mosque domes' and Arabic-speaking locals in white robes.</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI, Segoe UI Midlevel, sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">There has always been a theory that Rabbis are hiding the Ark under the Temple Mount in a cave, and will bring it out at the right time.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI, Segoe UI Midlevel, sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">would dearly love to see it discovered<br />
</span></span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<a href="https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/cia-s-ark-of-the-covenant-quest-revived-as-new-revelations-point-to-biblical-relic-s-location/ar-AA1KAYeK?cvid=e1a66cfad61f48dae2c22d5c733ab0de&amp;ei=11" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">CIA's Ark of the Covenant quest revived as new revelations point to biblical relic's location</a><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">Congresswoman Anna Paulina Luna has reignited interest in the sacred relic by spotlighting declassified 1988 CIA documents that allegedly used psychic 'remote viewing' to track it.</span></span></span><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">'The CIA allegedly located the Ark of the Covenant,' Luna said on the <a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/joe-rogan/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Joe Rogan</a> Experience, calling it an '<a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/indiana/index.html" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Indiana</a> Jones moment.'</span></span><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">The documents detail Remote Viewer No. 032, trained to perceive distant objects through psychic means, being given coordinates to observe an unidentified target. </span></span><br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: 'Segoe UI', 'Segoe UI Midlevel', sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">The viewer's notes reportedly described a 'container of wood, gold, and silver' adorned with seraphim, hidden in a 'dark and wet' underground site in a Middle Eastern region with 'mosque domes' and Arabic-speaking locals in white robes.</span></span></span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI, Segoe UI Midlevel, sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">There has always been a theory that Rabbis are hiding the Ark under the Temple Mount in a cave, and will bring it out at the right time.</span></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #cccccc;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI, Segoe UI Midlevel, sans-serif;" class="mycode_font">would dearly love to see it discovered<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[Past and future Gods]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2966</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2025 13:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[The oldest known religion found so far was around 35,000 years ago (call it Paleolithic spirituality) located in Manot cave; some where around Israel . There was another recent find of a possible religious site dated to 51,200+ years ago.. I figure as long as people were smart enough to reason and be afraid of the unknown there was some kind of religion ...????<br />
<br />
When I think of all the Gods that have been prayed to since mankind developed a semi inquiring superstitious mind it really is mind boggling to anyone who thinks about such things. I don't get faithfully excited about the latest Sky Fairy that insist on killing all non believers as this is but one more example of idiots being superstitious idiots IMO.. <br />
<br />
Mesopotamia prayed to 3600 gods as they believed a separate god was responsible for just about everything. No wonder it was finally decided one all powerful "TRUE" god was easier to remember after Mesopotamia's society was destroyed. I wonder what the god of a good bowel movement looked like ?<br />
<br />
Most of the ancient gods existed until the society that spawned them was destroyed in war, famine, or pestilence.. Think of all the people on their knees praying to their god and protector to save them as the blade, stone axe, or bullet descended to take their life. Your Enemy is evil, as you are to your enemy, and both sides pray to their god (s) for victory.. One side will be disappointed. <br />
<br />
Animism, Shamanism, Divination, you name it as some people will believe in anything. I remember some soldiers rushing to get a certain Buddhist tattoo that would protect them from enemy bullets.... Those who survived swore it was due to their faith and the tattoo while those who died did not have enough faith or maybe the tattoo artist messed up.. People will believe in anything if afraid enough. <br />
<br />
About one billion people believe and are part of the Hindu faith...4000 years of their gods and still chugging along..<br />
  <br />
I remember during a mortar attack as stuff was being blown up around me through my own lips passed, " God please make them stop !" My Prayer was answered sometime later because the bad guys ran out of mortars or god was listening ?<br />
<br />
So people can believe anything they want if it brings them peace and fulfillment as long as they do not force themselves upon others like, "you believe my way or burn in hell for all eternity," or,,, we cut very important pieces of your body off until you believe like us.. <br />
<br />
This story comes from the Amazon:  The Chief's/head man's  daughter got pregnant which meant her boyfriend would be found and killed; she would be banned from the tribe as she was not married to the boy (serious birth control IMO). This particular tribe believed the White river dolphin was a shape shifting spirit that could change form so..... the girl claimed the River dolphin came to her during the night and got her pregnant and promised her the child would be special. Case closed as who would argue with the Chief's daughter ?? <br />
<br />
All of us have or want some kind of spiritual connection and many will go to extreme links to establish a connection whether real or imagined. Religion has been just another way of coping with the unknown and giving solace to the afraid who believe if they tow the religious party line when they die it will be wonderful. 72 virgins comes to mind... Wonder what the Virgins think about all that ? Just another example of Overwhelming Propaganda Dominance by so called leaders who want control.. <br />
<br />
 Ask yourself why does ignorance and superstition seem to be a universal trait with humans? There was a time when some of the greatest minds of Europe were debating on just how many angels could dance upon the head of a pin.. Just another worth while endeavor for a bunch of devout superstitious individuals. I do think Science is the answer as few people can figure anything out by praying except for their own selfish desires/goals being laid bare. When I say Science I mean real science not the bought and paid for out come science rammed down our mental throats.<br />
<br />
 I am of the opinion that Noah's Ark and other plagiarized fairy tales are just stories written by man to reinforce and put the fear of god in the uneducated/unknowing which the religious institutions use as societal control. Yep all the ancient written records have a flood myth but only one Noah in the christen bible. The whole inbreeding thingy must have been waved to repopulate the earth, no ?? <br />
<br />
 Religions in many cases are a destructive force which has been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy who has mankind write what the god supposedly wants us to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power "NOW " and live in a fantasy of their own creation..<br />
<br />
 To many gods and great human deeds have been buried in the sands of history, all forgotten to never have been known in history what actually happened; much less the reasons for so many souls to give up their lives as their gods were forgotten long ago.<br />
<br />
 Sad<br />
<br />
<br />
Nothing earth shattering just some random thoughts]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[The oldest known religion found so far was around 35,000 years ago (call it Paleolithic spirituality) located in Manot cave; some where around Israel . There was another recent find of a possible religious site dated to 51,200+ years ago.. I figure as long as people were smart enough to reason and be afraid of the unknown there was some kind of religion ...????<br />
<br />
When I think of all the Gods that have been prayed to since mankind developed a semi inquiring superstitious mind it really is mind boggling to anyone who thinks about such things. I don't get faithfully excited about the latest Sky Fairy that insist on killing all non believers as this is but one more example of idiots being superstitious idiots IMO.. <br />
<br />
Mesopotamia prayed to 3600 gods as they believed a separate god was responsible for just about everything. No wonder it was finally decided one all powerful "TRUE" god was easier to remember after Mesopotamia's society was destroyed. I wonder what the god of a good bowel movement looked like ?<br />
<br />
Most of the ancient gods existed until the society that spawned them was destroyed in war, famine, or pestilence.. Think of all the people on their knees praying to their god and protector to save them as the blade, stone axe, or bullet descended to take their life. Your Enemy is evil, as you are to your enemy, and both sides pray to their god (s) for victory.. One side will be disappointed. <br />
<br />
Animism, Shamanism, Divination, you name it as some people will believe in anything. I remember some soldiers rushing to get a certain Buddhist tattoo that would protect them from enemy bullets.... Those who survived swore it was due to their faith and the tattoo while those who died did not have enough faith or maybe the tattoo artist messed up.. People will believe in anything if afraid enough. <br />
<br />
About one billion people believe and are part of the Hindu faith...4000 years of their gods and still chugging along..<br />
  <br />
I remember during a mortar attack as stuff was being blown up around me through my own lips passed, " God please make them stop !" My Prayer was answered sometime later because the bad guys ran out of mortars or god was listening ?<br />
<br />
So people can believe anything they want if it brings them peace and fulfillment as long as they do not force themselves upon others like, "you believe my way or burn in hell for all eternity," or,,, we cut very important pieces of your body off until you believe like us.. <br />
<br />
This story comes from the Amazon:  The Chief's/head man's  daughter got pregnant which meant her boyfriend would be found and killed; she would be banned from the tribe as she was not married to the boy (serious birth control IMO). This particular tribe believed the White river dolphin was a shape shifting spirit that could change form so..... the girl claimed the River dolphin came to her during the night and got her pregnant and promised her the child would be special. Case closed as who would argue with the Chief's daughter ?? <br />
<br />
All of us have or want some kind of spiritual connection and many will go to extreme links to establish a connection whether real or imagined. Religion has been just another way of coping with the unknown and giving solace to the afraid who believe if they tow the religious party line when they die it will be wonderful. 72 virgins comes to mind... Wonder what the Virgins think about all that ? Just another example of Overwhelming Propaganda Dominance by so called leaders who want control.. <br />
<br />
 Ask yourself why does ignorance and superstition seem to be a universal trait with humans? There was a time when some of the greatest minds of Europe were debating on just how many angels could dance upon the head of a pin.. Just another worth while endeavor for a bunch of devout superstitious individuals. I do think Science is the answer as few people can figure anything out by praying except for their own selfish desires/goals being laid bare. When I say Science I mean real science not the bought and paid for out come science rammed down our mental throats.<br />
<br />
 I am of the opinion that Noah's Ark and other plagiarized fairy tales are just stories written by man to reinforce and put the fear of god in the uneducated/unknowing which the religious institutions use as societal control. Yep all the ancient written records have a flood myth but only one Noah in the christen bible. The whole inbreeding thingy must have been waved to repopulate the earth, no ?? <br />
<br />
 Religions in many cases are a destructive force which has been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy who has mankind write what the god supposedly wants us to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power "NOW " and live in a fantasy of their own creation..<br />
<br />
 To many gods and great human deeds have been buried in the sands of history, all forgotten to never have been known in history what actually happened; much less the reasons for so many souls to give up their lives as their gods were forgotten long ago.<br />
<br />
 Sad<br />
<br />
<br />
Nothing earth shattering just some random thoughts]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Anyone watching The Chosen series?]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2853</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jun 2025 10:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I hadn’t heard of it until covid and happened onto a news article about it.  It’s about Jesus’ ministry and him choosing his disciples, hence the name of the series.<br />
<br />
I know there’s been many movies about Jesus but this series is awesome.  It’s told in a way through the eyes of the disciples.  Yes, there’s some non biblical liberties that have been taken as is done with most productions based on true stories but I’ve watched the first 4 seasons several times over the past few years.<br />
<br />
Season 5 premiers this Sunday on Prime but will be released later in the summer on the free app.  The producer, Dallas Jenkins, has vowed to always be able to make it free.  <br />
<br />
Anyway I just wanted to share in case anyone hadn’t heard of it.  Please check it out if you haven’t already.<br />
<br />
Mae]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I hadn’t heard of it until covid and happened onto a news article about it.  It’s about Jesus’ ministry and him choosing his disciples, hence the name of the series.<br />
<br />
I know there’s been many movies about Jesus but this series is awesome.  It’s told in a way through the eyes of the disciples.  Yes, there’s some non biblical liberties that have been taken as is done with most productions based on true stories but I’ve watched the first 4 seasons several times over the past few years.<br />
<br />
Season 5 premiers this Sunday on Prime but will be released later in the summer on the free app.  The producer, Dallas Jenkins, has vowed to always be able to make it free.  <br />
<br />
Anyway I just wanted to share in case anyone hadn’t heard of it.  Please check it out if you haven’t already.<br />
<br />
Mae]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Is AI the Image Given Life in The Book of Revelation?]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2761</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 13 May 2025 13:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This thought had come to mind. It isn't an exact fit, but it seems pretty close.<br />
<br />
Revelation 13 New American Bible Version<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>The Second Beast.[cd] 11 Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb’s but spoke like a dragon. 12 It wielded all the authority of the first beast in its sight and<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast</span>, whose mortal wound had been healed. 13 It performed great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone. 14 It <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">deceived the inhabitants of the earth</span> with the signs it was allowed to perform in the sight of the first beast, telling them to make <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">an image for the beast</span> who had been wounded by the sword and revived. 15 It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast’s image, so that <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">the beast’s image could speak</span> and [could] have <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">anyone who did not worship it put to death</span>. 16 It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads, 17 so that <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image</span> of the beast’s name or the number that stood for its name.</blockquote>
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<br />
So, AI has no "image" as yet, but it does "speak". I can believe that AI can get to the point of being worshiped by people, so a graven image isn't out of the question soon.<br />
<br />
Once the AI has been developed to a higher degree and has provided many services and advantages, it may be monitoring everyone to determine who is worthy and who needs to be eliminated. It might also control your participation in the economy using a social score type of system.<br />
<br />
It seems to be a possibility. I'd have to look closer at the translations from Greek to English and other interpretations by scholars.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This thought had come to mind. It isn't an exact fit, but it seems pretty close.<br />
<br />
Revelation 13 New American Bible Version<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>The Second Beast.[cd] 11 Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth; it had two horns like a lamb’s but spoke like a dragon. 12 It wielded all the authority of the first beast in its sight and<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast</span>, whose mortal wound had been healed. 13 It performed great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in the sight of everyone. 14 It <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">deceived the inhabitants of the earth</span> with the signs it was allowed to perform in the sight of the first beast, telling them to make <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">an image for the beast</span> who had been wounded by the sword and revived. 15 It was then permitted to breathe life into the beast’s image, so that <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">the beast’s image could speak</span> and [could] have <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">anyone who did not worship it put to death</span>. 16 It forced all the people, small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to be given a stamped image on their right hands or their foreheads, 17 so that <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">no one could buy or sell except one who had the stamped image</span> of the beast’s name or the number that stood for its name.</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
So, AI has no "image" as yet, but it does "speak". I can believe that AI can get to the point of being worshiped by people, so a graven image isn't out of the question soon.<br />
<br />
Once the AI has been developed to a higher degree and has provided many services and advantages, it may be monitoring everyone to determine who is worthy and who needs to be eliminated. It might also control your participation in the economy using a social score type of system.<br />
<br />
It seems to be a possibility. I'd have to look closer at the translations from Greek to English and other interpretations by scholars.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Priest says someone is impersonating him, offering exorcisms]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2610</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 21 Feb 2025 19:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[This is crazy!<br />
<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">BROOKVILLE, Ind. (WXIX) - A Tri-State priest is warning that someone is impersonating him on social media and offering exorcisms.</span><br />
</span><br />
<div style="text-align: left;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">Father Vincent Lampert leads worshippers at St. Michael Catholic Church in Brookville in southeastern Indiana.</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">He said he’s performed exorcisms for almost 20 years, but now, someone has been pretending to be him for more than a year and offering exorcisms, rosaries, and holy water for money.</span></span></div>
<span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">”Unfortunately, a lot of people who believe they are dealing with the demonic are very vulnerable,” he said. “They took a recent interview that I did and dubbed over my voice with AI so they were able to add their own words with my actual image.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<br />
It is really such a shame that scammers will literally resort to the lowest of the low to take advantage of families in pain! Father Vincent has spoken with law enforcement but there is currently no active case.<br />
<br />
Read full story here: <a href="https://www.wave3.com/2025/02/21/priest-says-someone-is-impersonating-him-offering-exorcisms/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIltdRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHS7TO5CGrwGmYVOh_kUXDddPlTidfBJcjEbwujumhAZnwH0TKIELuVa4CA_aem_Ot8m5DB3DjfhB6EfCTNV_w" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Link to local news story</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[This is crazy!<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">BROOKVILLE, Ind. (WXIX) - A Tri-State priest is warning that someone is impersonating him on social media and offering exorcisms.</span><br />
</span><br />
<div style="text-align: left;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">Father Vincent Lampert leads worshippers at St. Michael Catholic Church in Brookville in southeastern Indiana.</span></span></div>
<div style="text-align: left;" class="mycode_align"><span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">He said he’s performed exorcisms for almost 20 years, but now, someone has been pretending to be him for more than a year and offering exorcisms, rosaries, and holy water for money.</span></span></div>
<span style="color: #f012be;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-family: Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Noto Sans', sans-serif, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', 'Noto Color Emoji;" class="mycode_font">”Unfortunately, a lot of people who believe they are dealing with the demonic are very vulnerable,” he said. “They took a recent interview that I did and dubbed over my voice with AI so they were able to add their own words with my actual image.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<br />
It is really such a shame that scammers will literally resort to the lowest of the low to take advantage of families in pain! Father Vincent has spoken with law enforcement but there is currently no active case.<br />
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Read full story here: <a href="https://www.wave3.com/2025/02/21/priest-says-someone-is-impersonating-him-offering-exorcisms/?fbclid=IwY2xjawIltdRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHS7TO5CGrwGmYVOh_kUXDddPlTidfBJcjEbwujumhAZnwH0TKIELuVa4CA_aem_Ot8m5DB3DjfhB6EfCTNV_w" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Link to local news story</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Spirit and The Human]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2606</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 18 Feb 2025 19:14:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[As a bit of disclosure, I am not much of a spiritual thinker.  I believe myself to be Catholic but am not one who attends Mass on a regular basis.  So take this for what it is worth.  It is a jumble of thoughts to be sure.<br />
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If one assumes that humans have an eternal soul, it is a curious arrangement when one really considers it.<br />
<br />
Some believe the soul cycles through multiple lives on earth as part of a spiritual learning process.  This implies the soul is not an integral part of the human body but rather something apart from it even if it "co-habitates" our existence as long as we're alive.<br />
<br />
Further assuming the soul itself is of The Source, one ponders what seems to be a parasitical arrangement.  "Parasitical" is a harsh word, yet we must recall the host (the human in question) was hardly in a position to grant permission for this union of spirit and flesh.  It just happened that way, and is such a mysterious process that many go through their entire lives without realizing there may be "more than one" of them.<br />
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The explanation that this part of the soul's education or training is fine as far as that goes, but that explanation avoids discussion of the ethics of what, for humans, is a supernatural force binding to them without so much as a "if I may" ... hardly in line with the old "Prime Directive" of the Star Trek TV series.<br />
<br />
The other thought along these lines concerns the lives of individual humans.  Would we have ultimately been more content with our lives had we remained without that spark of The Source within?  That is, if we had all remained ultra-primitive people of the bush and the grasslands, rooting around for bits of food ... living a more animal life ... would we be less burdened psychologically and fundamentally happier even if our lives would be harder, shorter, and, on occasion, more brutal than what we now know?<br />
<br />
And why did we get selected as hosts anyway?  Why not chimpanzees or orangutans?  Again, one considers the issue of this being forced on the human animal as part of a process that seems to mostly, if not solely, benefits the soul's spiritual progression.<br />
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[As a bit of disclosure, I am not much of a spiritual thinker.  I believe myself to be Catholic but am not one who attends Mass on a regular basis.  So take this for what it is worth.  It is a jumble of thoughts to be sure.<br />
<br />
If one assumes that humans have an eternal soul, it is a curious arrangement when one really considers it.<br />
<br />
Some believe the soul cycles through multiple lives on earth as part of a spiritual learning process.  This implies the soul is not an integral part of the human body but rather something apart from it even if it "co-habitates" our existence as long as we're alive.<br />
<br />
Further assuming the soul itself is of The Source, one ponders what seems to be a parasitical arrangement.  "Parasitical" is a harsh word, yet we must recall the host (the human in question) was hardly in a position to grant permission for this union of spirit and flesh.  It just happened that way, and is such a mysterious process that many go through their entire lives without realizing there may be "more than one" of them.<br />
<br />
The explanation that this part of the soul's education or training is fine as far as that goes, but that explanation avoids discussion of the ethics of what, for humans, is a supernatural force binding to them without so much as a "if I may" ... hardly in line with the old "Prime Directive" of the Star Trek TV series.<br />
<br />
The other thought along these lines concerns the lives of individual humans.  Would we have ultimately been more content with our lives had we remained without that spark of The Source within?  That is, if we had all remained ultra-primitive people of the bush and the grasslands, rooting around for bits of food ... living a more animal life ... would we be less burdened psychologically and fundamentally happier even if our lives would be harder, shorter, and, on occasion, more brutal than what we now know?<br />
<br />
And why did we get selected as hosts anyway?  Why not chimpanzees or orangutans?  Again, one considers the issue of this being forced on the human animal as part of a process that seems to mostly, if not solely, benefits the soul's spiritual progression.<br />
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			<title><![CDATA[The Usefulness of the Cup]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2550</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jan 2025 13:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[“The usefulness of the cup is in its emptiness” is a popular quote by Bruce Lee. I have always thought of this as a reference to a Buddhist saying, however, it appears to come from the Taoist philosophy, the Ole Chinese "Yin-Yang".<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I also have related it to the classic optimist/pessimist ideology questioning, "Is a glass half empty or half full?" because the usefulness of the cup is in its emptiness.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It is, of course, much deeper than that.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>”Spokes are connected to make a wheel;<br />
 yet it is the hole within the hub that moves the wagon.<br />
Clay is molded to shape into pot;<br />
yet it is the emptiness within that makes it an utensil.<br />
Doors and windows are cut to make a room;<br />
yet it is the inner space within that makes it livable.<br />
Therefore, advantage comes from what is;<br />
usefulness comes from what is not.”<br />
Tao Te Ching Chapter 11</blockquote>
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<br />
<br />
<br />
It even lends itself nicely to the concept of liminal spaces I made a thread on earlier.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A cup is useful for its emptiness.<br />
Without the emptiness, there is no space to hold the drink, making the cup useless as a cup.<br />
So while physical existence of the cup is what we see, it is its emptiness that makes the cup useful.<br />
<br />
A house is useful for its emptiness.<br />
Without the space, no one can live in there, and the house is useless as a house.<br />
While the walls and pillars are what we see, emptiness is the purpose of the house’s physical existence.<br />
<br />
Emptiness is the non-being, the intangible. In contrast, being is the physical presence of a thing, the tangible. Being is ‘something’ or ‘have’. Nonbeing is ‘nothing’ or ‘have not’.<br />
They are the yang and yin of existence.<br />
They are the whats and whys of the things you see.<br />
Although the cup – or the something — is what you own, it is the emptiness – the nothing – that you use.  You own the being — the cup — for the non-being — the space.</blockquote>
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<br />
<a href="https://tao-in-you.com/emptiness-is-where-the-true-value-lies/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">tao-in-you.com</a><br />
<br />
The potential of emptiness. <br />
<br />
I don't see empty lots in a run-down neighborhood. <br />
I don't see empty boarded-up buildings on Main St. in Small Town U.S.A. <br />
The TV isn't showing me images of burned-out suburban landscapes from wildfires in Southern California. <br />
<br />
I am seeing only the opportunity for emptiness to be filled once again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[“The usefulness of the cup is in its emptiness” is a popular quote by Bruce Lee. I have always thought of this as a reference to a Buddhist saying, however, it appears to come from the Taoist philosophy, the Ole Chinese "Yin-Yang".<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
I also have related it to the classic optimist/pessimist ideology questioning, "Is a glass half empty or half full?" because the usefulness of the cup is in its emptiness.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It is, of course, much deeper than that.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>”Spokes are connected to make a wheel;<br />
 yet it is the hole within the hub that moves the wagon.<br />
Clay is molded to shape into pot;<br />
yet it is the emptiness within that makes it an utensil.<br />
Doors and windows are cut to make a room;<br />
yet it is the inner space within that makes it livable.<br />
Therefore, advantage comes from what is;<br />
usefulness comes from what is not.”<br />
Tao Te Ching Chapter 11</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
It even lends itself nicely to the concept of liminal spaces I made a thread on earlier.<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite>A cup is useful for its emptiness.<br />
Without the emptiness, there is no space to hold the drink, making the cup useless as a cup.<br />
So while physical existence of the cup is what we see, it is its emptiness that makes the cup useful.<br />
<br />
A house is useful for its emptiness.<br />
Without the space, no one can live in there, and the house is useless as a house.<br />
While the walls and pillars are what we see, emptiness is the purpose of the house’s physical existence.<br />
<br />
Emptiness is the non-being, the intangible. In contrast, being is the physical presence of a thing, the tangible. Being is ‘something’ or ‘have’. Nonbeing is ‘nothing’ or ‘have not’.<br />
They are the yang and yin of existence.<br />
They are the whats and whys of the things you see.<br />
Although the cup – or the something — is what you own, it is the emptiness – the nothing – that you use.  You own the being — the cup — for the non-being — the space.</blockquote>
<br />
<br />
<a href="https://tao-in-you.com/emptiness-is-where-the-true-value-lies/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">tao-in-you.com</a><br />
<br />
The potential of emptiness. <br />
<br />
I don't see empty lots in a run-down neighborhood. <br />
I don't see empty boarded-up buildings on Main St. in Small Town U.S.A. <br />
The TV isn't showing me images of burned-out suburban landscapes from wildfires in Southern California. <br />
<br />
I am seeing only the opportunity for emptiness to be filled once again.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[The Cherokee Story of Creation]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2534</link>
			<pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 21:06:46 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/member.php?action=profile&uid=259">FlickerOfLight</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">As I have looked at the different beliefs around the world with an open heart and an open mind, and with this perspective of loving others as myself while not only researching these beliefs, but also experiencing some of them myself through their different "practices," something keeps becoming more and more clear.<br />
<br />
 They actually all align if we look at some of them through the symbolism. <br />
<br />
In all this world view of beliefs, and from one country to another, one belief system to another, and being one who has a gift of noticing patterns and following sequences, it is abundantly clear that all of these different views of creation and even God all share similarities. So much so, that I've noticed that it's damn near the same story, just told through different cultural eyes.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">This video is the entire Cherokee story of creation, as well as a lot of their beliefs about God. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The video is very relaxing and soft toned and done with a pleasant presentation, and a real persons voice; or at least i think it is (really hard to tell these days). I do believe if anyone approached this with an open mind, while disregarding all of the stereo types, all the programmed propaganda, and simply look at this as beliefs that are as sacred as your own, you will see that we all pretty much believe in the same thing. This video even shows how this shared belief(s) can be traced all the way back to the Egyptians, and their "weighing of the heart to the feather" upon death. We all believe relatively the same thing when it comes to creation, and the Truth of where we all came from, and the purpose of it all.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">It's worth the 40mins. This came from a gnostic library, but this is the types of information that can expand our collective consciousness; if not only our own. Notice how many similarities there are, even if just on a symbolic level,  to your own faith and beliefs. <br />
 The Cherokee have a beautiful story of how the viewed the creation of the world. I really enjoyed this, and am glad i watched.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color"><iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/0AUpYtBOsW0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color"></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">This is just another version of the same story told across the world.<br />
In a world full of different stories about creation its pretty amazing how much they all share in common. It sort of shows how much we all have in common. <br />
Somehow, someway, and obviously by something higher and greater than ourselves, we have all been "created." </span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">As I have looked at the different beliefs around the world with an open heart and an open mind, and with this perspective of loving others as myself while not only researching these beliefs, but also experiencing some of them myself through their different "practices," something keeps becoming more and more clear.<br />
<br />
 They actually all align if we look at some of them through the symbolism. <br />
<br />
In all this world view of beliefs, and from one country to another, one belief system to another, and being one who has a gift of noticing patterns and following sequences, it is abundantly clear that all of these different views of creation and even God all share similarities. So much so, that I've noticed that it's damn near the same story, just told through different cultural eyes.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">This video is the entire Cherokee story of creation, as well as a lot of their beliefs about God. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The video is very relaxing and soft toned and done with a pleasant presentation, and a real persons voice; or at least i think it is (really hard to tell these days). I do believe if anyone approached this with an open mind, while disregarding all of the stereo types, all the programmed propaganda, and simply look at this as beliefs that are as sacred as your own, you will see that we all pretty much believe in the same thing. This video even shows how this shared belief(s) can be traced all the way back to the Egyptians, and their "weighing of the heart to the feather" upon death. We all believe relatively the same thing when it comes to creation, and the Truth of where we all came from, and the purpose of it all.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">It's worth the 40mins. This came from a gnostic library, but this is the types of information that can expand our collective consciousness; if not only our own. Notice how many similarities there are, even if just on a symbolic level,  to your own faith and beliefs. <br />
 The Cherokee have a beautiful story of how the viewed the creation of the world. I really enjoyed this, and am glad i watched.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color"><iframe width="560" height="315" src="//www.youtube-nocookie.com/embed/0AUpYtBOsW0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen="true"></iframe></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color"></span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">This is just another version of the same story told across the world.<br />
In a world full of different stories about creation its pretty amazing how much they all share in common. It sort of shows how much we all have in common. <br />
Somehow, someway, and obviously by something higher and greater than ourselves, we have all been "created." </span>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Spiritual awakening and Spiritual gifts]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2521</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 28 Dec 2024 19:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/member.php?action=profile&uid=259">FlickerOfLight</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I'm going to approach this with my usual style. This is something that is an individual experience, and plays out differently in each one of us. I'd like to take a moment and explain the idea of spiritual journeys and awakening and all of the blessings and gifts that come along with this process. </span><br />
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<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I found spirituality while going through a religious path. It started one day when I decided I wanted to read the entire Bible. After accomplishing this a year later, I was immediately hungry for more. As I continued on spending time in the word of God my love and interest in him grew and grew as the years went on with my head buried in God's word. The more I read the more fascinated with our Lord, and His kingdom I became. They said this was me hungering and thirsting for God. This was true. I spent years studying and being active within a church. I followed the religious order, and it kept feeling like a noose around my neck, in terms of holding me back from progressing in my own personal relationship and growth with God. It was if the elders weren't in the same place as I was in the understanding of it all. I spent a few years arguing, discussing, debating and picking apart scriptures with others. I spent 2 years in Biblical studies and ministry learning to hone this craft of "arguing scriptures," or that's at least what it felt like to me. I leaned more into my personal relationship with God, and a question came up about the spiritual gifts that I didn't accept as truth. I studied the scriptures for a few months, looking at the gifts as my primary thought. I wanted to understand, and what others were seeing, wasn't what I was seeing. This came to a prayer. I asked the Lord for his knowledge. I knew that I had a conclusion drawn up, but I also knew I could be wrong, and so I did ask the Lord to "show me" what the answer was. A week or so later, I got an answer. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">It came in the form of a "spiritual experience." One where I was in prayer and worshiping and praising the Lord in my home, in private. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This was not at all what I was expecting, and through this experience I was taught how wrong I was, and how I was blind to the spiritual side of this. I saw a glimpse into the literal kingdom kf heaven; here on earth; while in the flesh.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Fortunately for me I did have guides, that are trusted and understood what had happened to me.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I will not share the experience again, but I will say that these trusted people (prominent leaders of the church) told me that I had been baptized with the Holy Spirit. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">But, there was doubt amongst them, and even within myself. The experience was the most beautiful experience I had ever felt. I felt the most powerful love one could ever imagine. I do not possess the words to describe this experience. I can say that I fell even more in love with the Lord.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I went into a long study and meditation on what had happened to me.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This was the beginning of my spiritual journey.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This is actually more simple than it seems, yet takes a profound strength that not many people possess. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">First...</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Humble yourself. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Forgive everything. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Learn to walk in peace; not arguing with anyone. Be at peace with yourself, and you will be at peace with others.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Show mercy when mistakes are made.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Be kind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek love.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek knowledge and wisdom.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Learn to control yourself, even down to your breathing and heart rate.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Confess your sins.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Repent.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek the kingdom of heaven first.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">And all these things will be added unto you.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Which leads me to spiritual gifts.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">First came insight, but that can only be experienced.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I have learned that I am actually a healer. Not in the sense that you would think tho. I cannot lay my hands on people and make the lame walk, or the blind see. But, I can empathize with people on a level of  understanding that brings people peace simply because another human being understands what they're going through, authentically care for them and empathize, even to the point of crying with them. I have watched many of hearts be healed simply by loving someone in this way. The Holy Spirit gives me guidance that I pass along to these people, and by this guidance I have watched people get out of bad situations, or better there situations, even if it's merely bringing them to an understanding of their own.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This heals hearts and minds. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Empathy is a gift from God. Authentic Empathy. Guided by the Ultimate Comforter; The Holy Spirit. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">God has blessed me with the ability to help heal broken hearts and minds. This is his gift. I am only the vessel. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I wasn't even aware that this was a God given gift, and one that I was using everywhere I went. Sometimes it was little things. Sometimes huge. I only ever did what I was compelled to do. Not realizing that I'm actually doing the "Lord's work" by doing this.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">My point is this:</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">These gifts can be simple, and easily overlooked, yet powerful when you receive and use these gifts. These gifts don't have to be as grand as the way they've been described. I simply, but deeply care, and come to find out this is the source of the gift.....love. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I am here to testify that simply caring, empathizing, and being there for others in an emotionally supportive way is a rare gift. People pay good money to therapist just for this purpose. Myself included.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">What I'm learning from my therapy is that I am actually going to be the one that "heals myself" through that process. The same love and comfort I've received as a gift to help others will be the same Source that helps to heal me from within.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">When we are walking in this manner, and we are free from things like anger strife jealousy envy self glorification etc etc then we free our spirits and once we have cleansed ourselves, both externally through changing old toxic behaviors and start to walk in the ways described above this cleans our temple. When we confess our sins and repent, and forgive everything then we clean our spirits. By cleansing both the insights into the ancient questions of God and His kingdom will start to will start to enlighten you, as you take that journey of self discovery and purpose. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Within all of this, and for my story, I have found my purpose within everything I've described here.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The suffering we go through is making us stronger and more and more appreciative. Struggles are their own blessings. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This is what I've been trying to convey, through my different and sometimes erratic ways.  <img src="https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/images/smilies/tinycool.png" alt="Cool" title="Cool" class="smilie smilie_3" /> </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This journey has brought peace love joy and comfort that I had never known. These were ideas I didn't know were real. I was robbed of these things growing up.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">God blessed me a thousand fold to what I lost.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">And it all started with a spiritual awakening. </span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Thanks for reading. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Have a happy New Year, Rogue-Nation. May you be blessed in all your endeavors this coming year. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">~~Cheers~~</span>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I'm going to approach this with my usual style. This is something that is an individual experience, and plays out differently in each one of us. I'd like to take a moment and explain the idea of spiritual journeys and awakening and all of the blessings and gifts that come along with this process. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I found spirituality while going through a religious path. It started one day when I decided I wanted to read the entire Bible. After accomplishing this a year later, I was immediately hungry for more. As I continued on spending time in the word of God my love and interest in him grew and grew as the years went on with my head buried in God's word. The more I read the more fascinated with our Lord, and His kingdom I became. They said this was me hungering and thirsting for God. This was true. I spent years studying and being active within a church. I followed the religious order, and it kept feeling like a noose around my neck, in terms of holding me back from progressing in my own personal relationship and growth with God. It was if the elders weren't in the same place as I was in the understanding of it all. I spent a few years arguing, discussing, debating and picking apart scriptures with others. I spent 2 years in Biblical studies and ministry learning to hone this craft of "arguing scriptures," or that's at least what it felt like to me. I leaned more into my personal relationship with God, and a question came up about the spiritual gifts that I didn't accept as truth. I studied the scriptures for a few months, looking at the gifts as my primary thought. I wanted to understand, and what others were seeing, wasn't what I was seeing. This came to a prayer. I asked the Lord for his knowledge. I knew that I had a conclusion drawn up, but I also knew I could be wrong, and so I did ask the Lord to "show me" what the answer was. A week or so later, I got an answer. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">It came in the form of a "spiritual experience." One where I was in prayer and worshiping and praising the Lord in my home, in private. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This was not at all what I was expecting, and through this experience I was taught how wrong I was, and how I was blind to the spiritual side of this. I saw a glimpse into the literal kingdom kf heaven; here on earth; while in the flesh.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Fortunately for me I did have guides, that are trusted and understood what had happened to me.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I will not share the experience again, but I will say that these trusted people (prominent leaders of the church) told me that I had been baptized with the Holy Spirit. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">But, there was doubt amongst them, and even within myself. The experience was the most beautiful experience I had ever felt. I felt the most powerful love one could ever imagine. I do not possess the words to describe this experience. I can say that I fell even more in love with the Lord.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I went into a long study and meditation on what had happened to me.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This was the beginning of my spiritual journey.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This is actually more simple than it seems, yet takes a profound strength that not many people possess. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">First...</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Humble yourself. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Forgive everything. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Learn to walk in peace; not arguing with anyone. Be at peace with yourself, and you will be at peace with others.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Show mercy when mistakes are made.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Be kind.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek love.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek knowledge and wisdom.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Learn to control yourself, even down to your breathing and heart rate.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Confess your sins.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Repent.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Seek the kingdom of heaven first.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">And all these things will be added unto you.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Which leads me to spiritual gifts.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">First came insight, but that can only be experienced.</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I have learned that I am actually a healer. Not in the sense that you would think tho. I cannot lay my hands on people and make the lame walk, or the blind see. But, I can empathize with people on a level of  understanding that brings people peace simply because another human being understands what they're going through, authentically care for them and empathize, even to the point of crying with them. I have watched many of hearts be healed simply by loving someone in this way. The Holy Spirit gives me guidance that I pass along to these people, and by this guidance I have watched people get out of bad situations, or better there situations, even if it's merely bringing them to an understanding of their own.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This heals hearts and minds. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Empathy is a gift from God. Authentic Empathy. Guided by the Ultimate Comforter; The Holy Spirit. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">God has blessed me with the ability to help heal broken hearts and minds. This is his gift. I am only the vessel. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I wasn't even aware that this was a God given gift, and one that I was using everywhere I went. Sometimes it was little things. Sometimes huge. I only ever did what I was compelled to do. Not realizing that I'm actually doing the "Lord's work" by doing this.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">My point is this:</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">These gifts can be simple, and easily overlooked, yet powerful when you receive and use these gifts. These gifts don't have to be as grand as the way they've been described. I simply, but deeply care, and come to find out this is the source of the gift.....love. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">I am here to testify that simply caring, empathizing, and being there for others in an emotionally supportive way is a rare gift. People pay good money to therapist just for this purpose. Myself included.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">What I'm learning from my therapy is that I am actually going to be the one that "heals myself" through that process. The same love and comfort I've received as a gift to help others will be the same Source that helps to heal me from within.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">When we are walking in this manner, and we are free from things like anger strife jealousy envy self glorification etc etc then we free our spirits and once we have cleansed ourselves, both externally through changing old toxic behaviors and start to walk in the ways described above this cleans our temple. When we confess our sins and repent, and forgive everything then we clean our spirits. By cleansing both the insights into the ancient questions of God and His kingdom will start to will start to enlighten you, as you take that journey of self discovery and purpose. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Within all of this, and for my story, I have found my purpose within everything I've described here.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The suffering we go through is making us stronger and more and more appreciative. Struggles are their own blessings. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This is what I've been trying to convey, through my different and sometimes erratic ways.  <img src="https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/images/smilies/tinycool.png" alt="Cool" title="Cool" class="smilie smilie_3" /> </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">This journey has brought peace love joy and comfort that I had never known. These were ideas I didn't know were real. I was robbed of these things growing up.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">God blessed me a thousand fold to what I lost.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">And it all started with a spiritual awakening. </span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Thanks for reading. </span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">Have a happy New Year, Rogue-Nation. May you be blessed in all your endeavors this coming year. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">~~Cheers~~</span>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2498</link>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2024 01:31:47 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator><![CDATA[<a href="https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/member.php?action=profile&uid=32">Michigan Swamp Buck</a>]]></dc:creator>
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			<description><![CDATA[I have been thinking a lot about the popular beliefs around heaven and hell and can't justify any of it. My line of thinking is a comparison/contrast of the afterlife and our current situation as mortal beings on planet Earth. Let's look at some points of consideration.<br />
<br />
If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.<br />
<br />
If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!<br />
<br />
Immediately I can see that regardless of any good or evil acts during my mortal existence that I will have eternal life after death. Where I go is up for debate.<br />
<br />
Now, what do we have that we will lose or gain one way or the other?<br />
<br />
In my perfect and pure eternal body in my heavenly abode, I will live without hunger, thirst, carnal desires (hopefully not), and other undesirable aspects of human existence. No sickness or disease, no pain, and no death.<br />
<br />
<br />
Now, in Hell, this is the eternal abode of evil and un-repenting souls who will suffer unspeakable pain forever as a punishment for being evil.<br />
<br />
Heaven, is perfect, pleasant, hope fulfilled, and eternal. Hell, is painful, foul, entirely hopeless, and also eternal.<br />
<br />
Mortal existence is imperfect, destructive, hopeless (without God), and temporary.<br />
<br />
I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.<br />
<br />
I find myself having real sympathy for the Devil as the adversary of a God that would believe it was his blessing to create such a dark and evil universe and make us struggle here as mortals, only to die and be judged like this. Even a heavenly afterlife seems evil when I really think about this deal.<br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />
Of course, if I go with my other concept, of creation as a heat engine or mere entertainment as a fireworks display for God to be amused, then I really have respect for Satan and his rebellion against God.<br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />
I could be a real Satanist if those political posers and their Baphomet bullshit wasn't the accepted norm now-a-days. It is so true that evil grows with ignorance.<br />
<br />
Bottom line, humanity is extremely fucked up and the dark and evil universe created us with natural selection to make sure we ended up this way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I have been thinking a lot about the popular beliefs around heaven and hell and can't justify any of it. My line of thinking is a comparison/contrast of the afterlife and our current situation as mortal beings on planet Earth. Let's look at some points of consideration.<br />
<br />
If you lived as a good soul, and you pass inspection at the final judgement, once you die, then heaven is where you will spend eternity.<br />
<br />
If you are an evil soul, and you don't pass inspection after death, you spend eternity in HELL!<br />
<br />
Immediately I can see that regardless of any good or evil acts during my mortal existence that I will have eternal life after death. Where I go is up for debate.<br />
<br />
Now, what do we have that we will lose or gain one way or the other?<br />
<br />
In my perfect and pure eternal body in my heavenly abode, I will live without hunger, thirst, carnal desires (hopefully not), and other undesirable aspects of human existence. No sickness or disease, no pain, and no death.<br />
<br />
<br />
Now, in Hell, this is the eternal abode of evil and un-repenting souls who will suffer unspeakable pain forever as a punishment for being evil.<br />
<br />
Heaven, is perfect, pleasant, hope fulfilled, and eternal. Hell, is painful, foul, entirely hopeless, and also eternal.<br />
<br />
Mortal existence is imperfect, destructive, hopeless (without God), and temporary.<br />
<br />
I don't see much difference between our temporary mortal existence and the Hell we are threatened with unless we obey a God that seems far more evil than his fallen angels. I seriously believe if there is a heaven world in the afterlife as described, then this mortal life is Hell on Earth as far as I am concerned.<br />
<br />
I find myself having real sympathy for the Devil as the adversary of a God that would believe it was his blessing to create such a dark and evil universe and make us struggle here as mortals, only to die and be judged like this. Even a heavenly afterlife seems evil when I really think about this deal.<br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />
Of course, if I go with my other concept, of creation as a heat engine or mere entertainment as a fireworks display for God to be amused, then I really have respect for Satan and his rebellion against God.<br />
<hr class="mycode_hr" />
I could be a real Satanist if those political posers and their Baphomet bullshit wasn't the accepted norm now-a-days. It is so true that evil grows with ignorance.<br />
<br />
Bottom line, humanity is extremely fucked up and the dark and evil universe created us with natural selection to make sure we ended up this way.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Noah's Ark located using ancient map]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2447</link>
			<pubDate>Tue, 29 Oct 2024 15:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Location of 'Noah's Ark' is revealed as scientists decipher world's oldest map</span><br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">by Stacy Liberatore </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian artifact, known as the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">Imago Mundi</span></span>, shows a circular diagram with a writing system that used wedge-shaped symbols to describe the early creation of the world.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Researchers at the British Museum, where the tablet is housed, revealed what they had deciphered last month, but a deeper analysis of their work uncovered the Biblical reference within the ancient language.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The back of the tablet acts like a key, describing what a traveler will see on their journey, with one portion says that they must pass through 'seven leagues... [to] see something that is thick as a parsiktu-vessel.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The word 'parsiktu' has been found on other ancient Babylonian tablets, specifically to explain the size of a boat needed to survive the Great Flood.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Researchers followed the instructions, finding a path to 'Urartu' where an ancient Mesopotamian poem claims a man and his family landed an ark to preserve life.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The location is the Assyrian equivalent to 'Ararat,' the Hebrew word for the mountain Noah crashed the Biblical vessel that was constructed for the same purpose.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Dr. Irving Finkel, British Museum curator, said: 'It shows that the story was the same, and of course that one led to the other but also, that from the Babylonian point of view, this was a matter of fact thing.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'That if you did go on this journey you would see the remnants of this historic boat.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Imago Mundi has mystified researchers since it was found in 1882 in what is now known as Iraq.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The ancient text, written in cuneiform, was only used by the Babylonians, who etched astronomical events, future predictions and a map thought to be the entire 'known world' at the time.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">At the bottom center of the map sits Mesopotamia, enclosed by a circle representing a 'bitter river' that was believed to surround the entire world.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The tablet has since been damaged, but once featured eight triangles that researchers determined signified mountains that match descriptions on the back.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'Number four says 'To the fourth, to which you must travel seven leagues,'' Dr Finkel said in a YouTube video.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">He continued to explain that the passage continues to explain how a journeyer will eventually come upon a giant vessel.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'This parsiktu measurement, is something to an Assyriologist which makes their ears prick and the fact is it's only once otherwise known from cuneiform tablets and it's rather an interesting cuneiform tablet too,' said Dr Finkel.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'Because it is the description of the Ark which was built, theoretically, by the Babylonian version of Noah.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian version of the story says the god Ea sent a flood that wiped out all of humanity except for Utnapishtim and his family, who built an ark at the command of the god and filled it with animals.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'In this account, the details are given and the God says 'You have to do this, this and this' and then the Babylonian Noah says 'I did this, this and this. I've done it! And I made these structures as thick parsiktu vessel,'' Dr Finkel.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Gilgamesh Flood story is known from clay tablets that date back around 3,000 years, the Biblical Flood was about 5,000 years ago.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Dr Finkle explained that anyone who traveled the path to Urartu would, theoretically, see the wooden ribs of the vessel on the mountain 'like the one in the Bible.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Bible claims the ark settled on the 'mountains of Ararat' in Turkey following a 150-day flood that drowned the Earth and every living thing on it that was not housed inside the wooden ship. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">And the mountain in question features a peak that matches the shape and dimensions of Noah's ark. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The vessel was said to measure '300 cubits, 50 cubits, by 30 cubits', which translates to up to 515 feet long, 86 feet wide and 52 feet high.  </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The idea that the ark landed on Ararat has been surrounded by controversy, as some scientists claim the formation was formed by nature and others are sure it came from a higher power.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">A team of experts led by Istanbul Technical University has been excavating the mountain for years, revealing in 2023 that they found clay, marine materials and seafood that placed humans at the scene between 3,000 and 5,000 years ago.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">We've been hearing for many years now that Noah's Ark was resting on a mountain in Turkey. Satellite images had confirmed a vessel shaped like the ark on that mountain. </span><br />
<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">Now we have an ancient map confirming this location. </span><br />
<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">Unfortunately Turkey won't let anyone near that site to completely confirm,or deny the claim.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The map:</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian Map of the World (also Imago Mundi or Mappa mundi) is a Babylonian clay tablet with a schematic world map and two inscriptions written in the Akkadian language. Dated to no earlier than the 9th century BC (with a late 8th or 7th century BC date being more likely), it includes a brief and partially lost textual description. The tablet describes the oldest known depiction of the known world. Ever since its discovery there has been controversy on its general interpretation and specific features.[1] Another pictorial fragment, VAT 12772, presents a similar topography from roughly two millennia</span> earlier.[2]<br />
<a href="https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/29/scientists-decipher-3-000-year-old-map-find-location-noahs-ark-21884818/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/29/scientist...-21884818/</a>]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Location of 'Noah's Ark' is revealed as scientists decipher world's oldest map</span><br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">by Stacy Liberatore </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian artifact, known as the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"><span style="text-decoration: underline;" class="mycode_u">Imago Mundi</span></span>, shows a circular diagram with a writing system that used wedge-shaped symbols to describe the early creation of the world.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Researchers at the British Museum, where the tablet is housed, revealed what they had deciphered last month, but a deeper analysis of their work uncovered the Biblical reference within the ancient language.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The back of the tablet acts like a key, describing what a traveler will see on their journey, with one portion says that they must pass through 'seven leagues... [to] see something that is thick as a parsiktu-vessel.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The word 'parsiktu' has been found on other ancient Babylonian tablets, specifically to explain the size of a boat needed to survive the Great Flood.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Researchers followed the instructions, finding a path to 'Urartu' where an ancient Mesopotamian poem claims a man and his family landed an ark to preserve life.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The location is the Assyrian equivalent to 'Ararat,' the Hebrew word for the mountain Noah crashed the Biblical vessel that was constructed for the same purpose.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Dr. Irving Finkel, British Museum curator, said: 'It shows that the story was the same, and of course that one led to the other but also, that from the Babylonian point of view, this was a matter of fact thing.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'That if you did go on this journey you would see the remnants of this historic boat.'</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Imago Mundi has mystified researchers since it was found in 1882 in what is now known as Iraq.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The ancient text, written in cuneiform, was only used by the Babylonians, who etched astronomical events, future predictions and a map thought to be the entire 'known world' at the time.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">At the bottom center of the map sits Mesopotamia, enclosed by a circle representing a 'bitter river' that was believed to surround the entire world.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The tablet has since been damaged, but once featured eight triangles that researchers determined signified mountains that match descriptions on the back.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'Number four says 'To the fourth, to which you must travel seven leagues,'' Dr Finkel said in a YouTube video.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">He continued to explain that the passage continues to explain how a journeyer will eventually come upon a giant vessel.</span><br />
<br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'This parsiktu measurement, is something to an Assyriologist which makes their ears prick and the fact is it's only once otherwise known from cuneiform tablets and it's rather an interesting cuneiform tablet too,' said Dr Finkel.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'Because it is the description of the Ark which was built, theoretically, by the Babylonian version of Noah.'</span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian version of the story says the god Ea sent a flood that wiped out all of humanity except for Utnapishtim and his family, who built an ark at the command of the god and filled it with animals.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">'In this account, the details are given and the God says 'You have to do this, this and this' and then the Babylonian Noah says 'I did this, this and this. I've done it! And I made these structures as thick parsiktu vessel,'' Dr Finkel.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Gilgamesh Flood story is known from clay tablets that date back around 3,000 years, the Biblical Flood was about 5,000 years ago.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">Dr Finkle explained that anyone who traveled the path to Urartu would, theoretically, see the wooden ribs of the vessel on the mountain 'like the one in the Bible.'</span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The Bible claims the ark settled on the 'mountains of Ararat' in Turkey following a 150-day flood that drowned the Earth and every living thing on it that was not housed inside the wooden ship. </span><br />
<br />
<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">And the mountain in question features a peak that matches the shape and dimensions of Noah's ark. </span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The vessel was said to measure '300 cubits, 50 cubits, by 30 cubits', which translates to up to 515 feet long, 86 feet wide and 52 feet high.  </span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">The idea that the ark landed on Ararat has been surrounded by controversy, as some scientists claim the formation was formed by nature and others are sure it came from a higher power.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #005dc2;" class="mycode_color">A team of experts led by Istanbul Technical University has been excavating the mountain for years, revealing in 2023 that they found clay, marine materials and seafood that placed humans at the scene between 3,000 and 5,000 years ago.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">We've been hearing for many years now that Noah's Ark was resting on a mountain in Turkey. Satellite images had confirmed a vessel shaped like the ark on that mountain. </span><br />
<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">Now we have an ancient map confirming this location. </span><br />
<span style="color: #72ff84;" class="mycode_color">Unfortunately Turkey won't let anyone near that site to completely confirm,or deny the claim.</span><br />
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<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The map:</span><br />
<span style="color: #9a00b2;" class="mycode_color">The Babylonian Map of the World (also Imago Mundi or Mappa mundi) is a Babylonian clay tablet with a schematic world map and two inscriptions written in the Akkadian language. Dated to no earlier than the 9th century BC (with a late 8th or 7th century BC date being more likely), it includes a brief and partially lost textual description. The tablet describes the oldest known depiction of the known world. Ever since its discovery there has been controversy on its general interpretation and specific features.[1] Another pictorial fragment, VAT 12772, presents a similar topography from roughly two millennia</span> earlier.[2]<br />
<a href="https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/29/scientists-decipher-3-000-year-old-map-find-location-noahs-ark-21884818/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">https://metro.co.uk/2024/10/29/scientist...-21884818/</a>]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Hoarding and Sin]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Sep 2024 13:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I feel the need to share this experience I've been having and that this was the best place to share it first and give it a test run.<br />
<br />
Since July, I've been dealing with the family estate that belonged to my mother and her husband. Other than being a trustee for a trust the situation of cleaning out a house full of the possessions of two lifetimes is much the same as any other estate. My step-sister is the other trustee and we decided to run the estate sales on our own.<br />
<br />
Of course, rummaging through the family's belongings that accumulated since at least the 1970s was an emotional experience and one that shed light on many things over the years, things that began to make me question the results of these two lifetimes.<br />
<br />
My mother did very well and her last husband came into the relationship with just a suitcase, so I imagine that was the main reason the trust was created. The trust allowed them to live comfortably in their later years and enabled their hoarding of possessions to progress into a serious problem, esp. after Mom died and her husband had nothing better to do than collect things.<br />
<br />
They had similar interests and tastes in antiques and Native American culture and they both had the hoarding trait that had them collecting things and then storing most of it where ever they could. It was total mental illness by the time Dad passed away and an unbelievable task that they have drawn me into from beyond the grave.<br />
<br />
I had a few emotional break downs while working the estate and began to come to grips with the spiritual side of all this. This came to a head recently when I finally cleaned out the attic where the Christmas stuff was stored. "Here's your Merry Christmas in hell" was basically what I was saying while I tossed the shit down the folding attic stairs on to the floor below.<br />
<br />
Once I calmed down, I began to think about a few Bible verses that applied to the situation. Now that I'm back at home for awhile, I did some research and have come to the conclusion that there is no place in heaven for hoarders. So that only leaves one other place in the afterlife.<br />
<br />
Below is my research for you to decide where hoarders end up.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Hoarding and Sin</span><br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The most frightening and damning verses are from James who makes it pretty clear what will happen to hoarders once they pass away.</span><br />
<br />
James 5:1-5 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(1) Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. (2) Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. (3) Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. (4) Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">In the hereafter, hoarders will weep and wail in misery, fire will eat their flesh, they will be slaughtered, and they will have done it all to themselves during their lives.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">1 Corinthians condemns the greedy behavior inherent in hoarding by grouping it with other serious sins (as covetousness) resulting in not making it into heaven, which will only leave you one other place in the afterlife.</span><br />
<br />
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Here Matthew simplifies James's words, elaborates a little, and gives the reader the way back to the Lord.</span><br />
<br />
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: (20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: (21) "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.<br />
<br />
Matthew 6:24-25 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Matthew relates this story about the Lord to illustrate his teachings on hoarding treasure.</span><br />
<br />
Matthew 19:21-25 King James Version<br />
(21)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. (22)  But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. (23)  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. (24)  And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. (25)  When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Luke's warning and parable also illustrate the sinfullness of hoarding. The first and last quotes from Luke presented here are enough without the parable in between.</span><br />
<br />
Luke 12:15-21 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(15) And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (16) And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: (17) And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? (18) And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. (19) And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. (20) But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? (21) So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">More warnings from Luke on true riches versus Mammon followed up with John who sums it all up with one sentence.</span><br />
<br />
Luke 16:10-12 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(10) He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. (11) If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? (12) And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?<br />
<br />
1 John 2:15 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Timothy's warnings and advice about turning away from acquiring riches.</span><br />
<br />
1 Timothy 6:8-11King James Bible<br />
<br />
(8) And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. (9) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. (10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.<br />
<br />
To sum it up, hoarding to the degree which I found it is related to the sins of coveting, greed, idolatry, along with a couple of others. Then to add to it, there was this obsession with primitive Native cultures and my Mother's choice of the Mormon religion at the end. Not good if you know and study the Bible and have real faith.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I feel the need to share this experience I've been having and that this was the best place to share it first and give it a test run.<br />
<br />
Since July, I've been dealing with the family estate that belonged to my mother and her husband. Other than being a trustee for a trust the situation of cleaning out a house full of the possessions of two lifetimes is much the same as any other estate. My step-sister is the other trustee and we decided to run the estate sales on our own.<br />
<br />
Of course, rummaging through the family's belongings that accumulated since at least the 1970s was an emotional experience and one that shed light on many things over the years, things that began to make me question the results of these two lifetimes.<br />
<br />
My mother did very well and her last husband came into the relationship with just a suitcase, so I imagine that was the main reason the trust was created. The trust allowed them to live comfortably in their later years and enabled their hoarding of possessions to progress into a serious problem, esp. after Mom died and her husband had nothing better to do than collect things.<br />
<br />
They had similar interests and tastes in antiques and Native American culture and they both had the hoarding trait that had them collecting things and then storing most of it where ever they could. It was total mental illness by the time Dad passed away and an unbelievable task that they have drawn me into from beyond the grave.<br />
<br />
I had a few emotional break downs while working the estate and began to come to grips with the spiritual side of all this. This came to a head recently when I finally cleaned out the attic where the Christmas stuff was stored. "Here's your Merry Christmas in hell" was basically what I was saying while I tossed the shit down the folding attic stairs on to the floor below.<br />
<br />
Once I calmed down, I began to think about a few Bible verses that applied to the situation. Now that I'm back at home for awhile, I did some research and have come to the conclusion that there is no place in heaven for hoarders. So that only leaves one other place in the afterlife.<br />
<br />
Below is my research for you to decide where hoarders end up.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Hoarding and Sin</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The most frightening and damning verses are from James who makes it pretty clear what will happen to hoarders once they pass away.</span><br />
<br />
James 5:1-5 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(1) Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. (2) Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are moth-eaten. (3) Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. (4) Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. (5) Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">In the hereafter, hoarders will weep and wail in misery, fire will eat their flesh, they will be slaughtered, and they will have done it all to themselves during their lives.</span><br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">1 Corinthians condemns the greedy behavior inherent in hoarding by grouping it with other serious sins (as covetousness) resulting in not making it into heaven, which will only leave you one other place in the afterlife.</span><br />
<br />
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(9) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Here Matthew simplifies James's words, elaborates a little, and gives the reader the way back to the Lord.</span><br />
<br />
Matthew 6:19-21 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(19) Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: (20) But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: (21) "For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.<br />
<br />
Matthew 6:24-25 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(24) No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon. (25) Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and the body than raiment?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Matthew relates this story about the Lord to illustrate his teachings on hoarding treasure.</span><br />
<br />
Matthew 19:21-25 King James Version<br />
(21)  Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. (22)  But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. (23)  Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. (24)  And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. (25)  When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Luke's warning and parable also illustrate the sinfullness of hoarding. The first and last quotes from Luke presented here are enough without the parable in between.</span><br />
<br />
Luke 12:15-21 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(15) And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth. (16) And he spake a parable unto them, saying, The ground of a certain rich man brought forth plentifully: (17) And he thought within himself, saying, What shall I do, because I have no room where to bestow my fruits? (18) And he said, This will I do: I will pull down my barns, and build greater; and there will I bestow all my fruits and my goods. (19) And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry. (20) But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided? (21) So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">More warnings from Luke on true riches versus Mammon followed up with John who sums it all up with one sentence.</span><br />
<br />
Luke 16:10-12 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(10) He that is faithful in that which is least is faithful also in much: and he that is unjust in the least is unjust also in much. (11) If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches? (12) And if ye have not been faithful in that which is another man's, who shall give you that which is your own?<br />
<br />
1 John 2:15 King James Bible<br />
<br />
(15) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.<br />
<br />
<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Timothy's warnings and advice about turning away from acquiring riches.</span><br />
<br />
1 Timothy 6:8-11King James Bible<br />
<br />
(8) And having food and clothing, with these we shall be content. (9) But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition. (10) For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows. (11) But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.<br />
<br />
To sum it up, hoarding to the degree which I found it is related to the sins of coveting, greed, idolatry, along with a couple of others. Then to add to it, there was this obsession with primitive Native cultures and my Mother's choice of the Mormon religion at the end. Not good if you know and study the Bible and have real faith.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Thoughts]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jun 2024 06:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[I grew up as a christen just like many sand people grow up as a Muslim. A product of the society you are raised in mostly. <br />
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I have lived in a Buddhist country for over 20 years and out of the three Buddhist seem to be more of live and let live safe society. I like the Buddhist idea of do unto others as you would have then do unto you; many parallels in the belief system. <br />
<br />
True Buddhist do not believe in a creator God yet they pray to Buddha all the time especially come lottery time ! Yep if you are mean and cruel then your next life will be one of suffering and cruelty focused upon you. No you do not come back as a Cockroach although throughout history there have probably been many who deserved that fate. <br />
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Many religions control by fear and damnation ... I have known people who lived their whole lives thinking the rapture or the return of Jesus was coming anytime now or for sure in their lifetime. Since I am very old all those folks are buried and worm food for many years. If religion brings you peace and happiness then good for you...if you live your life in fear and dread I would suggest finding a new way to make yourself miserable.. <br />
<br />
Some religions are a destructive force which in the past and even today have been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy which had mankind write what the god supposedly wanted the people to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power or live in a controlled fantasy of their own creation.. <br />
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Mess up and no virgins for you (a sigh of relief from the corner with the virgins) or spend all eternity in hell fire because he/she/it/ loves you but you messed up ! The religious factions preach and proclaim tolerance while in truth anyone who does not fall within their sects hierarchy are condemned to a fate worse than death. <br />
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Lets sacrifice some people to the God of the Aztec; some say they sacrificed 80,000 in one month, or hey burn someone at the stake because they pissed off the Catholic enforcers or someone declared them a witch... Behead or stone her because she was with a man not of her kin. etc etc etc <br />
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A society will always invent ways of maintaining order and preventing disruption of their accepted norm; an elite few seem to always want total control of the information the masses receive. Same as yesteryear and same as today. <br />
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The fog of every mystery is only blown away by knowledge...If knowledge is lacking then a belief in a godly higher power will suffice for those in fear of the unknown..]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[I grew up as a christen just like many sand people grow up as a Muslim. A product of the society you are raised in mostly. <br />
<br />
I have lived in a Buddhist country for over 20 years and out of the three Buddhist seem to be more of live and let live safe society. I like the Buddhist idea of do unto others as you would have then do unto you; many parallels in the belief system. <br />
<br />
True Buddhist do not believe in a creator God yet they pray to Buddha all the time especially come lottery time ! Yep if you are mean and cruel then your next life will be one of suffering and cruelty focused upon you. No you do not come back as a Cockroach although throughout history there have probably been many who deserved that fate. <br />
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Many religions control by fear and damnation ... I have known people who lived their whole lives thinking the rapture or the return of Jesus was coming anytime now or for sure in their lifetime. Since I am very old all those folks are buried and worm food for many years. If religion brings you peace and happiness then good for you...if you live your life in fear and dread I would suggest finding a new way to make yourself miserable.. <br />
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Some religions are a destructive force which in the past and even today have been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy which had mankind write what the god supposedly wanted the people to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power or live in a controlled fantasy of their own creation.. <br />
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Mess up and no virgins for you (a sigh of relief from the corner with the virgins) or spend all eternity in hell fire because he/she/it/ loves you but you messed up ! The religious factions preach and proclaim tolerance while in truth anyone who does not fall within their sects hierarchy are condemned to a fate worse than death. <br />
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Lets sacrifice some people to the God of the Aztec; some say they sacrificed 80,000 in one month, or hey burn someone at the stake because they pissed off the Catholic enforcers or someone declared them a witch... Behead or stone her because she was with a man not of her kin. etc etc etc <br />
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A society will always invent ways of maintaining order and preventing disruption of their accepted norm; an elite few seem to always want total control of the information the masses receive. Same as yesteryear and same as today. <br />
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The fog of every mystery is only blown away by knowledge...If knowledge is lacking then a belief in a godly higher power will suffice for those in fear of the unknown..]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Comparing the theology of Paul and Hebrews]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2007</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 19 Apr 2024 22:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Elsewhere this week somebody was commenting on one aspect of the evidence that Paul and the writer of Hebrews were two different people, and I was reminded of an essay with the above title which I wrote a number of years ago. I decided to make a summary and post it. Since I am a member of the Three Forums Club (how many of us are there?) I decided to post it in these places as well.<br />
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I started by going through the work of Christ in chronological order.<br />
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Firstly, Paul made only brief allusions to the pre-existence of Christ, like Galatians ch4 v4 (“sent forth his Son”) and the reference to Christ “emptying himself” in Philippians ch2 v7. Whereas the very starting point of Hebrews is the majesty of the pre-existent Son in relation to the universe.<br />
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Again, Paul made very little use of the earthly ministry of Jesus, for pastoral purposes, mentioning only that he was “obedient to the point of death on a cross”. Hebrews balances the initial stress on the glory of the Son by showing how the Son was not ashamed to be weak like his brethren. It was necessary for him to experience the struggle against sin in order to be a merciful High Priest for the rest of us (ch4 v15).<br />
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Yet there is one point here where Paul and Hebrews do come into contact. We are told that the Son “learned obedience” (ch5 v8). This does not mean that his previous state was disobedience. It means that his previous state was “authority”. It’s an echo of Paul’s statement about “emptied himself”.<br />
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In both sets of writing, the Cross is absolutely central. But I found Paul reticent about the exact nature of the connection between the Cross and our salvation, possibly because he had taught them all that already. There are references to Christ taking sin upon himself, “made him to be sin who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians ch5 v21). Paul’s characteristic idea is that Christ “died to sin” on the Cross, thus enabling those who are crucified “together with him” to “die to sin” in the same way.<br />
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Whereas in Hebrews the death of Christ is explicitly and systematically explained in terms of the Old Testament sacrifices designed to purify men from their sins. Though in the middle of all this he comes back to the obedience of Christ as the key factor (ch10 v7).<br />
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Paul lays great stress on the Resurrection of Christ (e.g. Romans ch6) as the sequel to the Cross and the key to our own resurrection. The beginning of Hebrews by-passes the Resurrection to go straight to the Ascension, with the Son sitting at the right hand of the Father. In the later discussion of Christ as the self-sacrificing High Priest, his death seems to take him through the veil straight into the heavenly sanctuary.<br />
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In Paul, the sequel to the Resurrection is that Christ becomes Lord, with authority over the whole world. Whereas in Hebrews, the emphasis on Jesus as being “like us” and the forerunner prepares the way for identifying him as High Priest.<br />
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Turning to the human side, I found in Paul a theme that the Law cannot prevent sin, and in Hebrews a theme that the Law cannot remove sin. Paul’s favourite expressions about the benefit of Christ’s death belong to the legal sphere or the sphere of human relations, such as “justified”, “acquitted”, “reconciled”. “Washed and sanctified”, in 1 Corinthians ch6 v11, was the only example I could find of the analogy of ritual purification from sin. Of course the argument of Hebrews depends on that analogy.<br />
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At the same time, Hebrews contains real echoes of Paul’s language. The fact that Christ “tasted death for everyone” is attributed to “the grace of God” in ch2 v9, and the man who spurns the Son of God has “outraged the spirit of grace” (ch10 v29). Th writer says that the discipline they are receiving shows that they are being treated as sons (ch12 v7, compare Galatians ch4 v7). There is the long ch11 outline of the history of faith. In ch6, he quotes the Genesis ch22 promise to Abraham, and then goes on to say that we are now encouraged “by two unbreakable things”. It seems to me (though this is a later discovery) that the other “unchangeable thing” can only be the Genesis ch15 promise quoted by Paul. That is, he seems to assume that his readers will recognise the allusion even if he doesn’t quote the reference himself. In other words, I think, he takes it for granted that they know the argument of Galatians. If he is not Paul, then he has certainly learned from Paul.<br />
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But what I found missing in Hebrews is the rich teaching based on the thought that we are in Christ and Christ is in us, and that this is the foundation of our Christian life. In Paul, “sin after baptism” is not a theological problem but a practical problem, to be dealt with practically by urging men to return to life in the Spirit. The conclusion I reached at the end of the essay, following a long paragraph of examples, was that writer of Hebrews was simply not in touch with an experience of “life in the Spirit” which was a vital reality to Paul, and that he filled the gap by developing his argument from scripture and by analogy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Elsewhere this week somebody was commenting on one aspect of the evidence that Paul and the writer of Hebrews were two different people, and I was reminded of an essay with the above title which I wrote a number of years ago. I decided to make a summary and post it. Since I am a member of the Three Forums Club (how many of us are there?) I decided to post it in these places as well.<br />
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I started by going through the work of Christ in chronological order.<br />
<br />
Firstly, Paul made only brief allusions to the pre-existence of Christ, like Galatians ch4 v4 (“sent forth his Son”) and the reference to Christ “emptying himself” in Philippians ch2 v7. Whereas the very starting point of Hebrews is the majesty of the pre-existent Son in relation to the universe.<br />
<br />
Again, Paul made very little use of the earthly ministry of Jesus, for pastoral purposes, mentioning only that he was “obedient to the point of death on a cross”. Hebrews balances the initial stress on the glory of the Son by showing how the Son was not ashamed to be weak like his brethren. It was necessary for him to experience the struggle against sin in order to be a merciful High Priest for the rest of us (ch4 v15).<br />
<br />
Yet there is one point here where Paul and Hebrews do come into contact. We are told that the Son “learned obedience” (ch5 v8). This does not mean that his previous state was disobedience. It means that his previous state was “authority”. It’s an echo of Paul’s statement about “emptied himself”.<br />
<br />
In both sets of writing, the Cross is absolutely central. But I found Paul reticent about the exact nature of the connection between the Cross and our salvation, possibly because he had taught them all that already. There are references to Christ taking sin upon himself, “made him to be sin who knew no sin” (2 Corinthians ch5 v21). Paul’s characteristic idea is that Christ “died to sin” on the Cross, thus enabling those who are crucified “together with him” to “die to sin” in the same way.<br />
<br />
Whereas in Hebrews the death of Christ is explicitly and systematically explained in terms of the Old Testament sacrifices designed to purify men from their sins. Though in the middle of all this he comes back to the obedience of Christ as the key factor (ch10 v7).<br />
<br />
Paul lays great stress on the Resurrection of Christ (e.g. Romans ch6) as the sequel to the Cross and the key to our own resurrection. The beginning of Hebrews by-passes the Resurrection to go straight to the Ascension, with the Son sitting at the right hand of the Father. In the later discussion of Christ as the self-sacrificing High Priest, his death seems to take him through the veil straight into the heavenly sanctuary.<br />
<br />
In Paul, the sequel to the Resurrection is that Christ becomes Lord, with authority over the whole world. Whereas in Hebrews, the emphasis on Jesus as being “like us” and the forerunner prepares the way for identifying him as High Priest.<br />
<br />
Turning to the human side, I found in Paul a theme that the Law cannot prevent sin, and in Hebrews a theme that the Law cannot remove sin. Paul’s favourite expressions about the benefit of Christ’s death belong to the legal sphere or the sphere of human relations, such as “justified”, “acquitted”, “reconciled”. “Washed and sanctified”, in 1 Corinthians ch6 v11, was the only example I could find of the analogy of ritual purification from sin. Of course the argument of Hebrews depends on that analogy.<br />
<br />
At the same time, Hebrews contains real echoes of Paul’s language. The fact that Christ “tasted death for everyone” is attributed to “the grace of God” in ch2 v9, and the man who spurns the Son of God has “outraged the spirit of grace” (ch10 v29). Th writer says that the discipline they are receiving shows that they are being treated as sons (ch12 v7, compare Galatians ch4 v7). There is the long ch11 outline of the history of faith. In ch6, he quotes the Genesis ch22 promise to Abraham, and then goes on to say that we are now encouraged “by two unbreakable things”. It seems to me (though this is a later discovery) that the other “unchangeable thing” can only be the Genesis ch15 promise quoted by Paul. That is, he seems to assume that his readers will recognise the allusion even if he doesn’t quote the reference himself. In other words, I think, he takes it for granted that they know the argument of Galatians. If he is not Paul, then he has certainly learned from Paul.<br />
<br />
But what I found missing in Hebrews is the rich teaching based on the thought that we are in Christ and Christ is in us, and that this is the foundation of our Christian life. In Paul, “sin after baptism” is not a theological problem but a practical problem, to be dealt with practically by urging men to return to life in the Spirit. The conclusion I reached at the end of the essay, following a long paragraph of examples, was that writer of Hebrews was simply not in touch with an experience of “life in the Spirit” which was a vital reality to Paul, and that he filled the gap by developing his argument from scripture and by analogy.]]></content:encoded>
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			<title><![CDATA[Master Conman who founded the Nation of Islam]]></title>
			<link>https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1981</link>
			<pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 18:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[Thinking about how the founder of the Nation of Islam was a guy who used 58 different aliases, randomly showed up in Detroit one day and started preaching to the black population, then disappeared. He's never been found and almost nothing is known about his real identity. It's quite a trip how much influence on American culture this random unknown guy had and of course continues to this day. Wild story with a reveal further down! You're gonna need a lot of coffee if you decide to venture onward...<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Wallace Fard Muhammad</a><br />
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Some research on this quack shows Fard's relationship with the Japanese and Jehovah's Witnesses:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">One of the boldest icons of the Nation of Islam (NOI) is a simple blackboard. It is sometimes placed on the rostrum of NOI mosques. In the middle of the blackboard it is written, “WHICH ONE WILL SURVIVE THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON?”. To the left, it says “CHRISTIANITY”, with an American flag, a cross, and a photograph of a lynching beneath. There are also the words “SLAVERY”, “SUFFERING”, and “DEATH”. To the right, it says “ISLAM”, with the NOI flag and the words “FREEDOM”, “JUSTICE”, and “EQUALITY” beneath.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">While the content of the blackboard may have evolved over time, the blackboard itself was introduced by the enigmatic founder of the NOI, W.D. Fard. He drew the American flag and the NOI flag on it with coloured chalk during a speech to compare the two.[1] Fard styled himself as a “professor”[2] [3] and used a variety of resources in teaching his followers. The words on the blackboard were added by Elijah Muhammad, the purported Messenger and Apostle of W.D. Fard, sometime after Elijah Muhammad left prison in 1946.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">According to FBI transcriptions of Elijah Muhammad’s sermons, he frequently taught that the “Japanese will slaughter the white man.”[44] Japan was a part of this Asiatic nation, and the Japanese army and navy were “only waiting on the word” of Fard to destroy the devil.[45] Fard taught that “our Asiatic brothers” designed and built the “Mother Plane” – a UFO-like airship that would release smaller ships to drop poison bombs on the United States.[46] Elijah Muhammad said that the Mother Plane’s bombs were the same type that gave the Earth its mountains, and that they would dig one mile deep into the Earth.<br />
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This is where Fard’s Armageddon diverges from Rutherford’s. For Fard, the War of Armageddon was a literal war between the Asiatic world and the white world. It was not the divine chastisement of a “spook God” that didn’t exist. As Elijah Muhammad said of Fard, “He did not say, ‘I or Allah will do this and that,’ but I noticed him carefully saying, ‘We do this or that.’”[49] In other words, “we” – the God, the Muslims, Black people, Japan, the Asiatic world – would bring down the judgment on white America. The feared Mother Plane was not an otherworldly ship, but one built by mortal hands in Japan. Of course, despite Japan’s technological output, we know of no such airship in reality.</span></span><br />
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<a href="https://bliis.org/essay/the-war-of-armageddon-the-noi-jehovahs-witnesses-and-imperial-japan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">The War of Armageddon: The NOI, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Imperial Japan</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><a href="https://bliis.org/essay/the-origin-of-w-d-fards-actual-facts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">The Origin of W.D. Fard’s “Actual Facts”</a><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">W.D. Fard, the man venerated as “God in Person” by the African American Nation of Islam (NOI), was an enigmatic teacher that was active in Detroit and Chicago between 1930 and 1934. Many of his teachings were compiled into The Supreme Wisdom, a book containing lessons on geography, mathematics, and NOI theology and history. The Supreme Wisdom is often memorized verbatim by NOI adherents, including by children at the NOI’s University of Islam schools.<br />
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One of the documents in The Supreme Wisdom is called “Actual Facts”, which provides numerical figures for the square mileage, circumference, and diameter of the Earth, as well as the square mileage of land, water, hills and mountains, islands, and deserts. As a modern and quasi-naturalistic religion, the NOI puts some emphasis on incorporating the empirical sciences in their teachings. “Islam is Mathematics”, The Supreme Wisdom says.[3] White people are said to be the product of a scientist using a form of eugenics.[4] The War of Armageddon would be brought about by a UFO-like Mother Plane built in Japan.[5] The holy scriptures were written by a council of scientists.[6] As elaborated by Dr. Edward E. Curtis, “the Nation of Islam emphasized scientific, material, and empirical over spiritual and supernatural understandings of religion.”[7]<br />
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But where did W.D. Fard get his figures from in his “Actual Facts”? For the NOI, Fard is God in Person, and “he stood and measured the earth” (Habakkuk 3:6).[8] In the earlier quotation, Farrakhan suggested that white scientists’ estimation of the Earth’s measurements is gradually getting closer to the miraculous measurements of The Supreme Wisdom.<br />
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However, Fard was also a resourceful man: he used both the Bible and the Quran, he assigned 104 books from the Library of Congress[9] (or 150 books) to Elijah Muhammad,[10] and he taught from Breasted James Henry’s The Conquest of Civilization[11] and Judge Rutherford’s Deliverance!.[12] It is thus likely that he supplemented his scientific teachings with published works as well.<br />
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As it turns out, The World Almanac and Book of Facts, a popular reference work published every year since 1886, is probably the source of Fard’s “Actual Facts”. The almanac was used by U.S. presidents Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, and Bill Clinton.[13] Over the years, the almanac became a household name and has been featured in several Hollywood films and television appearances.[14]</span></span></blockquote>
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Author of the above is interviewed on Fard:<br />
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Elijah Muhammad’s son makes some interesting comments on Fard’s identity at the beginning of this video:<br />
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A 2019 book description:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam</span><br />
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Since his arrival in Detroit on July 4, 1930, W.D. Fard, known also as Wallace Fard Muhammad and over fifty other aliases, has elicited an enormous amount of curiosity. Who was this man who claimed that he was both the Messiah and the Mahdi, and who was identified as God in Person by his disciple, Elijah Muhammad, whom he reportedly appointed as his Final Messenger? The people who actually met him, and the scholars who have studied him, have suggested that he was variously an African American, an Arab from Syria, Lebanon, Algeria, Morocco or Saudi Arabia, a Jamaican, a Turk, an Afghan, an Indo-Pakistani, an Iranian, an Azeri, a white American, a Bosnian, a Mexican, a Greek or even a Jew. In an attempt to determine the origins of W.D. Fard, most scholars have relied on his teachings as passed down, and perhaps modified, by Elijah Muhammad. Some have suggested that he was a member of the Moorish Science Temple of America or the Ahmadiyyah Movement. Others have suggested that he was a Druze or a Shiite.<br />
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Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam provides an overview of the scholarly literature related to this mysterious subject and the theories concerning his ethnic and racial origins. It provides the most detailed analysis of his teachings to date in order to identify their original and multifarious sources. Finding W.D. Fard considers the conflicting views shared by his early followers to decipher the doctrine he actually taught. Did W.D. Fard really profess to be Allah, or was he deified after his death by Elijah Muhammad? The book features a meticulous study of any and all subjects who fit the profile of W.D. Fard, and provides the most detailed information regarding his life to date. It also offers an overview of turn-of-the-20th-century Islam in the state of Oregon, demonstrating how much W.D. Fard learned about the Muslim faith while residing in the Pacific Northwest. The work finishes with a series of conclusions and suggestions for further scholarship.</span></span><br />
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<a href="https://cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-2199-5" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Cambridge Scholars Publishing</a></blockquote>
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In Oregon? WTF?? Well, given Oregon's weird religion cult history, guess I shouldn't be surprised. Also, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Moorish Science Temple</a> is another rabbit hole.<br />
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Here's an eye poppin revealing, albeit bizarre essay worth reading (assuming you have any interest) I found at Berkeley Institute for Islamic Studies...<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">W.D. Fard’s Bible of Islamism Identified: A Century-Old Mystery is Solved By: John Andrew Morrow</span></span></span> | June 20, 2023<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Introduction</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">W.D. Fard, the founder of the Nation of Islam, is a fascinating figure. Mysterious, intriguing, and enigmatic, his magnetic personality and revolutionary rhetoric stupefied and mystified the black people of Detroit during the depth of the Great Depression. So mind-blowing was the message that he delivered between July 4, 1930, and May of 1934, that he was proclaimed a prophet. In fact, some of his followers were so edified by his teachings that he was deified. Not only did he proclaim to be the Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims but he proclaimed to be Almighty Allah. In fact, in a stunning and audacious speech, he proclaimed “I am God Himself.”</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">So astonishing are his teachings that even those who do not believe in him are drawn to him. They wonder who he was, where he came from, what became of him, and what were the sources of his captivating and mind-baffling teachings. At first, W.D. Fard attracted his audience by using the Bible, a book that was familiar to them. Later, he introduced the Qurʾan in both Arabic and English. He also produced two texts, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Teaching for the Lost Found Nation of Islam in a Mathematical Way,</span> and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Secret Ritual of the Nation of Islam</span>. Both are found in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Supreme Wisdom Lessons</span>.</span></span><br />
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W.D. Fard also claimed to have authored a work titled <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Five Guiding Principles</span>, under the name W.D. Feraud, which was supposedly in the collection of the Library of Congress, but has never been located. Authorship of the work was also claimed by Satokata Takahashi (born Naka Nakane, 1870-1945) who was associated with the ultranationalist Black Dragon Society and the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW) which presented Japan as the champion of people of color. Perhaps it was originally co-authored by both men while working for the Society for the Development of Our Own. Instead of a book, it appears to have been a one-page tract, the content of which is available and known.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Of all the works associated with W.D. Fard, the most captivating of all was <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, which was found among his personal belongings when he was detained by the police in Detroit in 1932. As the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> reported,</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">On page 354 of the “Bible” is the following quotation, which was underlined, and which Farad claimed he used as part of his teachings —  “God is a liar. Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.” He stated that this was a favorite passage of his and that he used it often in his teachings.</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Like the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Five Guiding Principles</span>, notes Patrick C. Bowen, no scholar or member of the Nation of Islam has publicly claimed to have seen <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> “and there is no other known mention of it in any additional press report, government document, or even in any publicly available NOI materials.” Michael Muhammad Knight (b. 1977) went as far as to claim that “we have no access to this <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> or evidence beyond police claims in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Detroit Free Press</span> that it ever existed.” None since now, of course, since I have found it.<br />
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Like other as-yet unidentified books used by Fard, Bowen suggested that <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> was self-published in a small run. After all, “since, in 1932, Fard asserted that he was working on a commission basis for a printing company, these various books would have been likely printed by his employer and therefore Fard would have had the power to keep the number of copies very small.” This is not the case, at least as concerns <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, a secret that was hiding in plain sight.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The Quest for the Holy Scripture</span></span> </span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Since I had a title, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, a citation, “God is a liar,” and a page number, I decided to do some detective work. I searched for “Bible of Islamism.” I located sources that described the Qurʾan as the “Bible of Islam.” I searched for “God is a liar,” “God is liar,” and variants such as “Lord is a liar” and found all kinds of results. They were virtually all rhetorical questions, accusations of apostasy, or citations of Satan used in dialogues. I went through many of them monotonously. While I found the phrase “God is a liar,” I could not find the rest of it, namely, “Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.” Finally, I found it, but the page did not match. It appeared on different pages, including page 275, in various editions. What is more, the original context was completely different from the manner in which it was presented by the police and the press. Finally, I checked various editions of the book and found one in which the citation was found precisely on page 264. Was it a Qurʾan? A compilation of Sacred Writings from the East? Some sort of Satanic text? As I explained in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam</span>,</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The document found among Fard’s effects was clearly not the Muslim Holy Book. Instead of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, it could more appropriately be called the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Satanism</span> for the citation in question is a basic diabolical belief. Obtaining a copy of this book,… would be invaluable to all researchers. Who authored it? Why was Fard using it? Was it Fard himself who penned his own pseudo-Qurʾan as Noble Drew Ali had done with his Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple…? “If Allah is a liar,” asks Charles Upton, “does that mean that Fard is also a liar, since Fard is Allah?” Patrick Bowen considers an even more sinister scenario, one in which W.D. Fard was possibly “involved with Aleister Crowley’s Masonry-derived Ordo Templi Orientis.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">“Indeed,” writes Bowen, “the known contents of Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> seem to have a Crowley ring to them.” So, what was the thick hardcover tome with a dark cover which W.D. Fard was photographed with while in police custody in Detroit in 1932? Be prepared to be baffled.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism </span>Identified</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The book that W.D. Fard presented as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, which he relied upon for inspiration and citation when preaching at lecture halls, is actually titled <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, not the “squeal like a pig” <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance</span> (1972), but the work of Joseph Franklin Rutherford (1869-1942), the second president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Known also as Judge Rutherford, this American religious leader played a primary role in the organization of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their doctrinal development. In fact, he gave that very name to the group, which emerged from the Bible Student movement founded by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), in 1931. The Jehovah Witnesses, one would be well to remember, are not Muslims, but rather a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs.<br />
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According to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>, the police department revealed that page 354 of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> contained the quote: “’God is a liar. Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.’ He stated that this was a favorite passage of his and that he used it often in his teachings.” Actually, the citation is found on page 264. A mistake was made by the police department or the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>. Alternatively, a typo was made when transcribing the original newspaper article into digital format. The original quote, found in the 1926 edition of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, reads:</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The “Dragon,” the Devil and his organization, by its efforts to destroy the seed of promise, boastfully says: “<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">God is </span>a<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> liar</span> and his Word is unreliable. <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Ignore him, and away with those who advocate his cause</span>!” [The bold print, which I have provided, represents the decontextualized segments cited in the police report completed by Detectives Oscar Berry and Charles Snyder from the Homicide Squad]</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Millions of copies of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> were printed and distributed in numerous editions. The one photographed with W.D. Fard was printed in 1926, and it has <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> in yellow or gold at the top. The cover is dark blue or black and is embossed. In size, shape, and color, it is very much the same book. The dimensions match. The police department or the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> truncated the citation in question to give it a diabolic sense. If this were done by the newspaper, it would be yellow journalism at its finest. The paper had been running stories about black Muslims and human sacrifice. Misrepresenting the quotation, and attributing it to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, was intended to demonize W.D. Fard and his followers, denigrate black people, undermine Islam, shock readers, and increase sales. It was deceitful, dishonest, and despicable. “CAN THE DEVIL FOOL A MUSLIM?” asked W.D. Fard in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Supreme Wisdom Lessons</span>. “NOT NOWADAYS.” As Bowen notes, “the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Tribune-Independent</span>, Detroit’s main black newspaper” denounced the fact that the Nation of Islam was being persecuted because of white America’s loathing of blacks and Muslims.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If something as benign as the citation in question was distorted to such a point, turning its meaning upside down, one can only imagine how much the media twisted and transmogrified the facts surrounding the so-called Voodoo Murders, the Nation of Islam, and W.D. Fard. In retrospect, it was naïve to believe the claims of the Police Department regarding <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> and its content and its coverage by the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>. All of the reporting was biased and prejudiced. The articles in question speak repeatedly of “Voodoo Murders,” “Voodoo Chieftain,” “Voodoo Slayer,” “voodoo sect,” “Voodoo beliefs,” “fear of Voodoo,” “voodoo king,” “GRIP OF VOODOO IN THE CITY,” “voodooism,” “VOODOOISM’S GRIP,” “the sinister influence of voodooism,” “VOODOO KING,” “Voodoo-Moslem hybrid cult,” “weird rites,” “voodoo cult,” “voodoo gathering,” VOODOO VICTIM,” “murders on rude altars devoted to the mad cult of voodoo and elements of ‘Islamism,’” “menacing voodoo cult,” “voodoo sacrifice,” “weird charlatans of voodooism,”  “voodooism is an extremely dangerous cult,” “voodoo net,” and “cult rituals.” It speaks repeatedly of chilling “human sacrifice” to the “jungle gods” of “Islam.”<br />
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The Allah Temple of Islam is depicted as a “cult” over a hundred times. It is labelled as a “Negro cult,” a “jungle cult,” “ominous cult,” a “menacing cult,” a “sinister cult,” a “mad cult,” and a “vicious cult” with “strange Islamic symbols and titles” that is “savage and barbarous.” It is depicted as a “Voodoo-Moslem hybrid cult.” The articles speak of “cult members,” “cult killer,” and “cult slayer.” They are referred to as “Mohamedans” whose “Mohammeddanism exists only in meaningless and impressive mixture of Allahs, Mohamets, and other Mohammedan incantations.”</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The articles speak of “High priestesses and priests clad in pseudo-Oriental costumes” who prey on the “superstitions and susceptibility of Negroes” whom they have robbed of their savings. The leaders of the Allah Temple of Islam are described as “ringleaders.” The articles describe Wallace D. Fard as an “Oriental fakir” and an “Arabian” who taught Negroes that they were “Turkish.”  They cite a report from the Psychopathic Ward of Receiving Hospital which claims that he suffered from “delusions that he is a divinity.” The articles claim Robert Harris professed to be the “King of Islam,” that Ugan Ali claimed to be the “God of the Asiatic Nation” and “God of the Asiatics,” and that Wallace D. Farad professed to be the “supreme being on earth.” And it goes on and on and one. The purpose of the Detroit Police Department and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> was to demonize and discredit W.D. Fard and the early Nation of Islam. The police were very clear that they viewed the spread of “Islamism” among blacks as a danger. Since the content of these articles is overwhelmingly false, none of the information should be treated as factual unless it is verified by other sources.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">In light of journalist dishonesty, the question begs to be asked: did W.D. Fard actually identify the book in question as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> or was this a false attribution on the part of the police department and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>? One could only presume that the police officers and the journalists could read. The book’s title was emblazoned in large print: DELIVERANCE! Its author was readily identified in the front matter. Unlike the Nation of Islam, which numbered in the thousands at the time, there were approximately one hundred thousand Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1932. Are we to believe that police officers and journalists could not tell the difference between<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"> The Bible of Islamism</span>, some sort of Muslim scripture, and <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, a millenarian Christian work?<br />
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Why did W.D. Fard read and cite Judge Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance? </span>Only because it is “a vivid description of the divine plan outlining God’s progressive steps against evil and showing the final overthrow of the devil and all of his wicked institutions.” It basically explains how every leader since ancient times was a devil. It denounces the government of devils, the organized religions of devils, the politics of devils, and the economic system of devils. In fact, Rutherford typically accused anyone who disagreed with him of being the devil. He shared the same absolutist, black or white, psychological, and spiritual profile as W.D. Fard.<br />
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As Elijah Muhammad acknowledged, W.D. Fard “knew the Bible better than any of the Christian-bred Negroes.” Louis Lomax also wrote that “Fard was … well versed in the Bible and … used it as a textbook.” He also reported that he preached in the style of a Southern Baptist preacher. According to the New York Times, Judge Rutherford “had a reputation as an eloquent, forceful, speaker.” Fard was certainly inspired by other Christian preachers; however, Rutherford was most certainly one of them. Cedric Muhammad, an economist, scholar, researcher, and activist, has gone as far as to claim that W.D. Fard actually met with Judge Rutherford in the 1930s. While this has yet to be proven, it is certain that he read Rutherford’s writings, and that he listened to his speeches on the radio. It is also possible that he attended a speech in person and that he might have met with him at such an event. After all, Rutherford used to lecture to large audiences throughout the United States. Amazingly, as a result of his intellect, appeal, charm, and charisma,  W.D. Fard did in fact befriend many leading scholars, intellectuals, preachers, activists, and religious leaders like Gerald B. Winrod (1900-1957), David N. McInturff (1902-1957), Frank Norris (1877-1952), and Louis Wirth (1897-1952). It is interesting to note that three out of four of these individuals belonged to the same age group and would have been very young when Fard was active. If he was not a socialite, one who passed himself off as a sharifian prince, he could have been taken as a spy. He was constantly changing his colors like a chameleon. Such mimicry and mirroring is a trait of Borderline Personality Disorder.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If Fard loved the quote from Judge Rutherford, and the book <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> from which it was drawn, it was because the white devil testified against himself. This is why “Fard instructed his followers to read the works of Judge Rutherford, the Jehovah’s Witnesses leader.” In fact, “he explicitly encouraged his followers to… listen to…. Rutherford.” Fard may have derived many ideas from Islam, orthodox and heterodox. However, the sources upon which he developed his ideology included many non-Muslim ones, including the Jehovah’s Witnesses. As Bowen elaborates, the teachings shared between the Nation of Islam and the Witnesses, include:</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The 1914 date: a belief in a coming battle of Armageddon; a belief … in the idea that only 144,000 true believers would survive the battle and enter the new civilization on Earth; a belief in the non-immortality of souls; criticism of certain elements of the capitalistic system; and rejecting the legitimacy of all other religions. To this list we might add a few other concepts: Rutherford, for instance, had  tendency to refer to all those who opposed him as “devils:’ the Witnesses had from their early years labeled modern churches as “Babylon” (the NOI sometime used that word for American society); like Fard, the Witnesses’ founder, Charles Taze Russel, showed an interest in knowing the distance from the Earth to the sun; and both groups adhered to the popular premillennial view that the six “days” – in other words, 6,000 years – of oppression had passed and they were now living in the seventh “day.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">As I demonstrated in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Finding W.D. Fard</span>, the ideology of the founder of the Nation of Islam featured disparate elements drawn from Christianity, Judaism, the Moorish Science Temple of America, the Ahmadiyya, the Yezidis, Sevener, Twelver, Ghulaṭ, Druze, Babī, and the Bahai. He also appears to have drawn his doctrines from the Black Hebrews, Marcus Garvey, Rastafarianism, Theosophism, Gnosticism, Freemasonry, apocalyptic Baptism, and the Church of Latter-Day Saints. In a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">History of Conversion to Islam in the United States</span>, Patrick D. Bowen identified many possible sources of of Fard’s doctrines, including Masonic works, and books written by European scholars of religion. The influence of J.F. Rutherford and the Jehovah’s Witnesses on the teachings of W.D. Fard has been detailed by many scholars. As Bowen rightly recognized, “the Witnesses are the most obvious non-Islamic source of his teachings.” The identification of the identity of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> confirms that this is the case.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> </span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following photographs demonstrate the 1926 edition of J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>matches the images of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> in size, color, binding, and content.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following image is of page 264 of the cited 1926 edition of Deliverance! with the passage in question.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following images of W.D. Fard, which were compiled by Alam Khan Publications, show him in possession of the mysterious Bible of Islamism, which seems to have been none other than J.F. Rutherford’s Deliverance!</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Photograph of W.D. Fard dated between 1930-1934. The book he is reading is not the Qurʾan. It shows every indication of being The Bible of Islamism)</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Image of W.D. Fard in 1934. Not an original file. Subsequent Files and Paintings were Doctored. The book he is holding does not appear to be the Qurʾan. It appears to be The Bible of Islamism)</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Doctored image of W.D. Fard. Not only have his facial features been modified, but the original book he was holding, The Bible of Islamism, is now much thicker. An attempt was made to change his appearance and the identity of the book from which he preached. The Bible of Islamism has been changed into a Qurʾan.)</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Conclusions</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Mysterious, intriguing, and enigmatic, the idiosyncratic ideology that W.D. Fard preached has left an indelible mark on American Islam and the black American experience. An eclectic ideologue, who drew liberally from sources that suited him from East and West, the founder of the Nation of Islam created an original and unique formulation of the Islamic faith whose intertextuality is becoming increasingly less obscure. For some, the more the origins of his teachings are unraveled, the more Master Fard is exposed as Master Fraud. For others, it manifests the inner working of a mystifying mind, that of an autodidact intellectual. So mesmerizing was the man that thousands of people who came into contact with his person or his teachings came to believe in his divinity sincerely and genuinely. Few in history have had such an impact.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If W.D. Fard was presenting Judge Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, preaching from it, posing with it, drawing from its doctrines, and pretending that it was his Qurʾan, and the holy book of the Nation of Islam, the influence of the Jehovah’s Witnesses appears to have been even greater than previously proposed. Many teachings of W.D. Fard, even their very tone, seem to be echoes of J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> with all of its fiery preaching against Satan, Serpents, Beasts, Dragons, and Devils. It even mentions the Isle Patmos and beasts who will be gathered together at Armageddon.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Fard’s blackboard, with the question, “who will win the war of Armageddon?” comes to mind, even though this parlance is not as prominent in later Nation of Islam teachings. Fard was using Rutherford’s writings and teaching aids. He was reading from <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> Fard may also have been delivering the speeches that Rutherford gave on the radio and at free lectures around the nation.<br />
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What is more, Rutherford also quotes Hebrews 11: 37-38 in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> This passage in question speaks of people who “went about in sheepskins and goatskins,” who “wandered in deserts and mountains” and who lived in “caves and holes in the ground” much like Fard’s account of Yakub’s creation, namely, the development of a race of white devils by a mad scientist.<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> repeatedly specifies that the End of Times started in 1914. It describes the Final Battle and the destruction of the devils. It breaks downs the world population into groups. It also teaches that hell is not a place of eternal suffering. When one reads <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, particularly chapter twelve on “The World Established” and “The Final Battle,” it is as if we hear Master Fard preaching. A detailed and systematic comparison of the teachings of J.F. Rutherford, the Witnesses, and particularly the work <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>with those of W.D. Fard is certainly in order. However, that should be the focus of future studies.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">This groundbreaking discovery, namely, the identification of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> as J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, further reinforces the views of those, like Faheem Shuaibe, a former minister of the Nation of Islam, and a lifelong student of Imam Warith Deen Mohammed (1933-2008), who described the movement as “Christianity painted black.” After all, if your scripture is Christian, can you truly be Muslim? Was W.D. Fard a Christian in Islamic garb? Was he some sort of mutant pseudo-Muslim-Jehovah’s Witness who went door to door fishing for souls in Detroit? Was the Nation of Islam a Christian offshoot? Or was it an Islamo-Christian sect of Messianic, theologically extreme, Shiite Muslims that was influenced by the apocalyptic teachings of J.F. Rutherford? It may have been that, in part, but it was far more than that. Hence, these, and many more questions, remain to be answered by the deductive minds of intrepid investigators and academic detectives. Let the quest continue!</span></span></blockquote>
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Source: <a href="https://bliis.org/essay/w-d-fards-bible-of-islamism-identified-a-century-old-mystery-is-solved/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Berkeley Institute for Islamic Studies</a> (includes Bibliography, references, photos)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[Thinking about how the founder of the Nation of Islam was a guy who used 58 different aliases, randomly showed up in Detroit one day and started preaching to the black population, then disappeared. He's never been found and almost nothing is known about his real identity. It's quite a trip how much influence on American culture this random unknown guy had and of course continues to this day. Wild story with a reveal further down! You're gonna need a lot of coffee if you decide to venture onward...<br />
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<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wallace_Fard_Muhammad" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Wallace Fard Muhammad</a><br />
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Some research on this quack shows Fard's relationship with the Japanese and Jehovah's Witnesses:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">One of the boldest icons of the Nation of Islam (NOI) is a simple blackboard. It is sometimes placed on the rostrum of NOI mosques. In the middle of the blackboard it is written, “WHICH ONE WILL SURVIVE THE WAR OF ARMAGEDDON?”. To the left, it says “CHRISTIANITY”, with an American flag, a cross, and a photograph of a lynching beneath. There are also the words “SLAVERY”, “SUFFERING”, and “DEATH”. To the right, it says “ISLAM”, with the NOI flag and the words “FREEDOM”, “JUSTICE”, and “EQUALITY” beneath.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">While the content of the blackboard may have evolved over time, the blackboard itself was introduced by the enigmatic founder of the NOI, W.D. Fard. He drew the American flag and the NOI flag on it with coloured chalk during a speech to compare the two.[1] Fard styled himself as a “professor”[2] [3] and used a variety of resources in teaching his followers. The words on the blackboard were added by Elijah Muhammad, the purported Messenger and Apostle of W.D. Fard, sometime after Elijah Muhammad left prison in 1946.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">According to FBI transcriptions of Elijah Muhammad’s sermons, he frequently taught that the “Japanese will slaughter the white man.”[44] Japan was a part of this Asiatic nation, and the Japanese army and navy were “only waiting on the word” of Fard to destroy the devil.[45] Fard taught that “our Asiatic brothers” designed and built the “Mother Plane” – a UFO-like airship that would release smaller ships to drop poison bombs on the United States.[46] Elijah Muhammad said that the Mother Plane’s bombs were the same type that gave the Earth its mountains, and that they would dig one mile deep into the Earth.<br />
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This is where Fard’s Armageddon diverges from Rutherford’s. For Fard, the War of Armageddon was a literal war between the Asiatic world and the white world. It was not the divine chastisement of a “spook God” that didn’t exist. As Elijah Muhammad said of Fard, “He did not say, ‘I or Allah will do this and that,’ but I noticed him carefully saying, ‘We do this or that.’”[49] In other words, “we” – the God, the Muslims, Black people, Japan, the Asiatic world – would bring down the judgment on white America. The feared Mother Plane was not an otherworldly ship, but one built by mortal hands in Japan. Of course, despite Japan’s technological output, we know of no such airship in reality.</span></span><br />
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<a href="https://bliis.org/essay/the-war-of-armageddon-the-noi-jehovahs-witnesses-and-imperial-japan/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">The War of Armageddon: The NOI, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Imperial Japan</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><a href="https://bliis.org/essay/the-origin-of-w-d-fards-actual-facts/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">The Origin of W.D. Fard’s “Actual Facts”</a><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">W.D. Fard, the man venerated as “God in Person” by the African American Nation of Islam (NOI), was an enigmatic teacher that was active in Detroit and Chicago between 1930 and 1934. Many of his teachings were compiled into The Supreme Wisdom, a book containing lessons on geography, mathematics, and NOI theology and history. The Supreme Wisdom is often memorized verbatim by NOI adherents, including by children at the NOI’s University of Islam schools.<br />
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One of the documents in The Supreme Wisdom is called “Actual Facts”, which provides numerical figures for the square mileage, circumference, and diameter of the Earth, as well as the square mileage of land, water, hills and mountains, islands, and deserts. As a modern and quasi-naturalistic religion, the NOI puts some emphasis on incorporating the empirical sciences in their teachings. “Islam is Mathematics”, The Supreme Wisdom says.[3] White people are said to be the product of a scientist using a form of eugenics.[4] The War of Armageddon would be brought about by a UFO-like Mother Plane built in Japan.[5] The holy scriptures were written by a council of scientists.[6] As elaborated by Dr. Edward E. Curtis, “the Nation of Islam emphasized scientific, material, and empirical over spiritual and supernatural understandings of religion.”[7]<br />
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But where did W.D. Fard get his figures from in his “Actual Facts”? For the NOI, Fard is God in Person, and “he stood and measured the earth” (Habakkuk 3:6).[8] In the earlier quotation, Farrakhan suggested that white scientists’ estimation of the Earth’s measurements is gradually getting closer to the miraculous measurements of The Supreme Wisdom.<br />
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However, Fard was also a resourceful man: he used both the Bible and the Quran, he assigned 104 books from the Library of Congress[9] (or 150 books) to Elijah Muhammad,[10] and he taught from Breasted James Henry’s The Conquest of Civilization[11] and Judge Rutherford’s Deliverance!.[12] It is thus likely that he supplemented his scientific teachings with published works as well.<br />
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As it turns out, The World Almanac and Book of Facts, a popular reference work published every year since 1886, is probably the source of Fard’s “Actual Facts”. The almanac was used by U.S. presidents Calvin Coolidge, John F. Kennedy, and Bill Clinton.[13] Over the years, the almanac became a household name and has been featured in several Hollywood films and television appearances.[14]</span></span></blockquote>
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Author of the above is interviewed on Fard:<br />
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Elijah Muhammad’s son makes some interesting comments on Fard’s identity at the beginning of this video:<br />
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A 2019 book description:<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam</span><br />
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Since his arrival in Detroit on July 4, 1930, W.D. Fard, known also as Wallace Fard Muhammad and over fifty other aliases, has elicited an enormous amount of curiosity. Who was this man who claimed that he was both the Messiah and the Mahdi, and who was identified as God in Person by his disciple, Elijah Muhammad, whom he reportedly appointed as his Final Messenger? The people who actually met him, and the scholars who have studied him, have suggested that he was variously an African American, an Arab from Syria, Lebanon, Algeria, Morocco or Saudi Arabia, a Jamaican, a Turk, an Afghan, an Indo-Pakistani, an Iranian, an Azeri, a white American, a Bosnian, a Mexican, a Greek or even a Jew. In an attempt to determine the origins of W.D. Fard, most scholars have relied on his teachings as passed down, and perhaps modified, by Elijah Muhammad. Some have suggested that he was a member of the Moorish Science Temple of America or the Ahmadiyyah Movement. Others have suggested that he was a Druze or a Shiite.<br />
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Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam provides an overview of the scholarly literature related to this mysterious subject and the theories concerning his ethnic and racial origins. It provides the most detailed analysis of his teachings to date in order to identify their original and multifarious sources. Finding W.D. Fard considers the conflicting views shared by his early followers to decipher the doctrine he actually taught. Did W.D. Fard really profess to be Allah, or was he deified after his death by Elijah Muhammad? The book features a meticulous study of any and all subjects who fit the profile of W.D. Fard, and provides the most detailed information regarding his life to date. It also offers an overview of turn-of-the-20th-century Islam in the state of Oregon, demonstrating how much W.D. Fard learned about the Muslim faith while residing in the Pacific Northwest. The work finishes with a series of conclusions and suggestions for further scholarship.</span></span><br />
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<a href="https://cambridgescholars.com/product/978-1-5275-2199-5" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Cambridge Scholars Publishing</a></blockquote>
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In Oregon? WTF?? Well, given Oregon's weird religion cult history, guess I shouldn't be surprised. Also, the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Science_Temple_of_America" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Moorish Science Temple</a> is another rabbit hole.<br />
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Here's an eye poppin revealing, albeit bizarre essay worth reading (assuming you have any interest) I found at Berkeley Institute for Islamic Studies...<br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">W.D. Fard’s Bible of Islamism Identified: A Century-Old Mystery is Solved By: John Andrew Morrow</span></span></span> | June 20, 2023<br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Introduction</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">W.D. Fard, the founder of the Nation of Islam, is a fascinating figure. Mysterious, intriguing, and enigmatic, his magnetic personality and revolutionary rhetoric stupefied and mystified the black people of Detroit during the depth of the Great Depression. So mind-blowing was the message that he delivered between July 4, 1930, and May of 1934, that he was proclaimed a prophet. In fact, some of his followers were so edified by his teachings that he was deified. Not only did he proclaim to be the Messiah of the Christians and the Mahdi of the Muslims but he proclaimed to be Almighty Allah. In fact, in a stunning and audacious speech, he proclaimed “I am God Himself.”</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">So astonishing are his teachings that even those who do not believe in him are drawn to him. They wonder who he was, where he came from, what became of him, and what were the sources of his captivating and mind-baffling teachings. At first, W.D. Fard attracted his audience by using the Bible, a book that was familiar to them. Later, he introduced the Qurʾan in both Arabic and English. He also produced two texts, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Teaching for the Lost Found Nation of Islam in a Mathematical Way,</span> and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Secret Ritual of the Nation of Islam</span>. Both are found in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Supreme Wisdom Lessons</span>.</span></span><br />
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W.D. Fard also claimed to have authored a work titled <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Five Guiding Principles</span>, under the name W.D. Feraud, which was supposedly in the collection of the Library of Congress, but has never been located. Authorship of the work was also claimed by Satokata Takahashi (born Naka Nakane, 1870-1945) who was associated with the ultranationalist Black Dragon Society and the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World (PMEW) which presented Japan as the champion of people of color. Perhaps it was originally co-authored by both men while working for the Society for the Development of Our Own. Instead of a book, it appears to have been a one-page tract, the content of which is available and known.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Of all the works associated with W.D. Fard, the most captivating of all was <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, which was found among his personal belongings when he was detained by the police in Detroit in 1932. As the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> reported,</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">On page 354 of the “Bible” is the following quotation, which was underlined, and which Farad claimed he used as part of his teachings —  “God is a liar. Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.” He stated that this was a favorite passage of his and that he used it often in his teachings.</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Like the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Five Guiding Principles</span>, notes Patrick C. Bowen, no scholar or member of the Nation of Islam has publicly claimed to have seen <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> “and there is no other known mention of it in any additional press report, government document, or even in any publicly available NOI materials.” Michael Muhammad Knight (b. 1977) went as far as to claim that “we have no access to this <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> or evidence beyond police claims in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Detroit Free Press</span> that it ever existed.” None since now, of course, since I have found it.<br />
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Like other as-yet unidentified books used by Fard, Bowen suggested that <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> was self-published in a small run. After all, “since, in 1932, Fard asserted that he was working on a commission basis for a printing company, these various books would have been likely printed by his employer and therefore Fard would have had the power to keep the number of copies very small.” This is not the case, at least as concerns <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, a secret that was hiding in plain sight.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The Quest for the Holy Scripture</span></span> </span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Since I had a title, <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, a citation, “God is a liar,” and a page number, I decided to do some detective work. I searched for “Bible of Islamism.” I located sources that described the Qurʾan as the “Bible of Islam.” I searched for “God is a liar,” “God is liar,” and variants such as “Lord is a liar” and found all kinds of results. They were virtually all rhetorical questions, accusations of apostasy, or citations of Satan used in dialogues. I went through many of them monotonously. While I found the phrase “God is a liar,” I could not find the rest of it, namely, “Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.” Finally, I found it, but the page did not match. It appeared on different pages, including page 275, in various editions. What is more, the original context was completely different from the manner in which it was presented by the police and the press. Finally, I checked various editions of the book and found one in which the citation was found precisely on page 264. Was it a Qurʾan? A compilation of Sacred Writings from the East? Some sort of Satanic text? As I explained in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Finding W.D. Fard: Unveiling the Identity of the Founder of the Nation of Islam</span>,</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The document found among Fard’s effects was clearly not the Muslim Holy Book. Instead of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, it could more appropriately be called the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Satanism</span> for the citation in question is a basic diabolical belief. Obtaining a copy of this book,… would be invaluable to all researchers. Who authored it? Why was Fard using it? Was it Fard himself who penned his own pseudo-Qurʾan as Noble Drew Ali had done with his Holy Koran of the Moorish Science Temple…? “If Allah is a liar,” asks Charles Upton, “does that mean that Fard is also a liar, since Fard is Allah?” Patrick Bowen considers an even more sinister scenario, one in which W.D. Fard was possibly “involved with Aleister Crowley’s Masonry-derived Ordo Templi Orientis.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">“Indeed,” writes Bowen, “the known contents of Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> seem to have a Crowley ring to them.” So, what was the thick hardcover tome with a dark cover which W.D. Fard was photographed with while in police custody in Detroit in 1932? Be prepared to be baffled.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size"><span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism </span>Identified</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The book that W.D. Fard presented as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, which he relied upon for inspiration and citation when preaching at lecture halls, is actually titled <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, not the “squeal like a pig” <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance</span> (1972), but the work of Joseph Franklin Rutherford (1869-1942), the second president of the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society. Known also as Judge Rutherford, this American religious leader played a primary role in the organization of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and their doctrinal development. In fact, he gave that very name to the group, which emerged from the Bible Student movement founded by Charles Taze Russell (1852-1916), in 1931. The Jehovah Witnesses, one would be well to remember, are not Muslims, but rather a millenarian restorationist Christian denomination with nontrinitarian beliefs.<br />
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According to the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>, the police department revealed that page 354 of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> contained the quote: “’God is a liar. Ignore Him and do away with those who advocate His cause.’ He stated that this was a favorite passage of his and that he used it often in his teachings.” Actually, the citation is found on page 264. A mistake was made by the police department or the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>. Alternatively, a typo was made when transcribing the original newspaper article into digital format. The original quote, found in the 1926 edition of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, reads:</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The “Dragon,” the Devil and his organization, by its efforts to destroy the seed of promise, boastfully says: “<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">God is </span>a<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> liar</span> and his Word is unreliable. <span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b">Ignore him, and away with those who advocate his cause</span>!” [The bold print, which I have provided, represents the decontextualized segments cited in the police report completed by Detectives Oscar Berry and Charles Snyder from the Homicide Squad]</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Millions of copies of <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> were printed and distributed in numerous editions. The one photographed with W.D. Fard was printed in 1926, and it has <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> in yellow or gold at the top. The cover is dark blue or black and is embossed. In size, shape, and color, it is very much the same book. The dimensions match. The police department or the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> truncated the citation in question to give it a diabolic sense. If this were done by the newspaper, it would be yellow journalism at its finest. The paper had been running stories about black Muslims and human sacrifice. Misrepresenting the quotation, and attributing it to <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, was intended to demonize W.D. Fard and his followers, denigrate black people, undermine Islam, shock readers, and increase sales. It was deceitful, dishonest, and despicable. “CAN THE DEVIL FOOL A MUSLIM?” asked W.D. Fard in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Supreme Wisdom Lessons</span>. “NOT NOWADAYS.” As Bowen notes, “the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Tribune-Independent</span>, Detroit’s main black newspaper” denounced the fact that the Nation of Islam was being persecuted because of white America’s loathing of blacks and Muslims.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If something as benign as the citation in question was distorted to such a point, turning its meaning upside down, one can only imagine how much the media twisted and transmogrified the facts surrounding the so-called Voodoo Murders, the Nation of Islam, and W.D. Fard. In retrospect, it was naïve to believe the claims of the Police Department regarding <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> and its content and its coverage by the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>. All of the reporting was biased and prejudiced. The articles in question speak repeatedly of “Voodoo Murders,” “Voodoo Chieftain,” “Voodoo Slayer,” “voodoo sect,” “Voodoo beliefs,” “fear of Voodoo,” “voodoo king,” “GRIP OF VOODOO IN THE CITY,” “voodooism,” “VOODOOISM’S GRIP,” “the sinister influence of voodooism,” “VOODOO KING,” “Voodoo-Moslem hybrid cult,” “weird rites,” “voodoo cult,” “voodoo gathering,” VOODOO VICTIM,” “murders on rude altars devoted to the mad cult of voodoo and elements of ‘Islamism,’” “menacing voodoo cult,” “voodoo sacrifice,” “weird charlatans of voodooism,”  “voodooism is an extremely dangerous cult,” “voodoo net,” and “cult rituals.” It speaks repeatedly of chilling “human sacrifice” to the “jungle gods” of “Islam.”<br />
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The Allah Temple of Islam is depicted as a “cult” over a hundred times. It is labelled as a “Negro cult,” a “jungle cult,” “ominous cult,” a “menacing cult,” a “sinister cult,” a “mad cult,” and a “vicious cult” with “strange Islamic symbols and titles” that is “savage and barbarous.” It is depicted as a “Voodoo-Moslem hybrid cult.” The articles speak of “cult members,” “cult killer,” and “cult slayer.” They are referred to as “Mohamedans” whose “Mohammeddanism exists only in meaningless and impressive mixture of Allahs, Mohamets, and other Mohammedan incantations.”</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The articles speak of “High priestesses and priests clad in pseudo-Oriental costumes” who prey on the “superstitions and susceptibility of Negroes” whom they have robbed of their savings. The leaders of the Allah Temple of Islam are described as “ringleaders.” The articles describe Wallace D. Fard as an “Oriental fakir” and an “Arabian” who taught Negroes that they were “Turkish.”  They cite a report from the Psychopathic Ward of Receiving Hospital which claims that he suffered from “delusions that he is a divinity.” The articles claim Robert Harris professed to be the “King of Islam,” that Ugan Ali claimed to be the “God of the Asiatic Nation” and “God of the Asiatics,” and that Wallace D. Farad professed to be the “supreme being on earth.” And it goes on and on and one. The purpose of the Detroit Police Department and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span> was to demonize and discredit W.D. Fard and the early Nation of Islam. The police were very clear that they viewed the spread of “Islamism” among blacks as a danger. Since the content of these articles is overwhelmingly false, none of the information should be treated as factual unless it is verified by other sources.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">In light of journalist dishonesty, the question begs to be asked: did W.D. Fard actually identify the book in question as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span> or was this a false attribution on the part of the police department and the <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Detroit Free Press</span>? One could only presume that the police officers and the journalists could read. The book’s title was emblazoned in large print: DELIVERANCE! Its author was readily identified in the front matter. Unlike the Nation of Islam, which numbered in the thousands at the time, there were approximately one hundred thousand Jehovah’s Witnesses in 1932. Are we to believe that police officers and journalists could not tell the difference between<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i"> The Bible of Islamism</span>, some sort of Muslim scripture, and <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, a millenarian Christian work?<br />
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Why did W.D. Fard read and cite Judge Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance? </span>Only because it is “a vivid description of the divine plan outlining God’s progressive steps against evil and showing the final overthrow of the devil and all of his wicked institutions.” It basically explains how every leader since ancient times was a devil. It denounces the government of devils, the organized religions of devils, the politics of devils, and the economic system of devils. In fact, Rutherford typically accused anyone who disagreed with him of being the devil. He shared the same absolutist, black or white, psychological, and spiritual profile as W.D. Fard.<br />
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As Elijah Muhammad acknowledged, W.D. Fard “knew the Bible better than any of the Christian-bred Negroes.” Louis Lomax also wrote that “Fard was … well versed in the Bible and … used it as a textbook.” He also reported that he preached in the style of a Southern Baptist preacher. According to the New York Times, Judge Rutherford “had a reputation as an eloquent, forceful, speaker.” Fard was certainly inspired by other Christian preachers; however, Rutherford was most certainly one of them. Cedric Muhammad, an economist, scholar, researcher, and activist, has gone as far as to claim that W.D. Fard actually met with Judge Rutherford in the 1930s. While this has yet to be proven, it is certain that he read Rutherford’s writings, and that he listened to his speeches on the radio. It is also possible that he attended a speech in person and that he might have met with him at such an event. After all, Rutherford used to lecture to large audiences throughout the United States. Amazingly, as a result of his intellect, appeal, charm, and charisma,  W.D. Fard did in fact befriend many leading scholars, intellectuals, preachers, activists, and religious leaders like Gerald B. Winrod (1900-1957), David N. McInturff (1902-1957), Frank Norris (1877-1952), and Louis Wirth (1897-1952). It is interesting to note that three out of four of these individuals belonged to the same age group and would have been very young when Fard was active. If he was not a socialite, one who passed himself off as a sharifian prince, he could have been taken as a spy. He was constantly changing his colors like a chameleon. Such mimicry and mirroring is a trait of Borderline Personality Disorder.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If Fard loved the quote from Judge Rutherford, and the book <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> from which it was drawn, it was because the white devil testified against himself. This is why “Fard instructed his followers to read the works of Judge Rutherford, the Jehovah’s Witnesses leader.” In fact, “he explicitly encouraged his followers to… listen to…. Rutherford.” Fard may have derived many ideas from Islam, orthodox and heterodox. However, the sources upon which he developed his ideology included many non-Muslim ones, including the Jehovah’s Witnesses. As Bowen elaborates, the teachings shared between the Nation of Islam and the Witnesses, include:</span></span><br />
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<blockquote class="mycode_quote"><cite>Quote:</cite><span style="color: #ffc95f;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The 1914 date: a belief in a coming battle of Armageddon; a belief … in the idea that only 144,000 true believers would survive the battle and enter the new civilization on Earth; a belief in the non-immortality of souls; criticism of certain elements of the capitalistic system; and rejecting the legitimacy of all other religions. To this list we might add a few other concepts: Rutherford, for instance, had  tendency to refer to all those who opposed him as “devils:’ the Witnesses had from their early years labeled modern churches as “Babylon” (the NOI sometime used that word for American society); like Fard, the Witnesses’ founder, Charles Taze Russel, showed an interest in knowing the distance from the Earth to the sun; and both groups adhered to the popular premillennial view that the six “days” – in other words, 6,000 years – of oppression had passed and they were now living in the seventh “day.”</span></span></blockquote>
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">As I demonstrated in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Finding W.D. Fard</span>, the ideology of the founder of the Nation of Islam featured disparate elements drawn from Christianity, Judaism, the Moorish Science Temple of America, the Ahmadiyya, the Yezidis, Sevener, Twelver, Ghulaṭ, Druze, Babī, and the Bahai. He also appears to have drawn his doctrines from the Black Hebrews, Marcus Garvey, Rastafarianism, Theosophism, Gnosticism, Freemasonry, apocalyptic Baptism, and the Church of Latter-Day Saints. In a <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">History of Conversion to Islam in the United States</span>, Patrick D. Bowen identified many possible sources of of Fard’s doctrines, including Masonic works, and books written by European scholars of religion. The influence of J.F. Rutherford and the Jehovah’s Witnesses on the teachings of W.D. Fard has been detailed by many scholars. As Bowen rightly recognized, “the Witnesses are the most obvious non-Islamic source of his teachings.” The identification of the identity of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> confirms that this is the case.</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">A Picture is Worth a Thousand Words</span></span></span><span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"> </span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following photographs demonstrate the 1926 edition of J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>matches the images of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> in size, color, binding, and content.</span></span><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/8WrDw9l.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: 8WrDw9l.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following image is of page 264 of the cited 1926 edition of Deliverance! with the passage in question.</span></span><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/SwyRUN6.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: SwyRUN6.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">The following images of W.D. Fard, which were compiled by Alam Khan Publications, show him in possession of the mysterious Bible of Islamism, which seems to have been none other than J.F. Rutherford’s Deliverance!</span></span><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/nZkOPOH.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: nZkOPOH.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/IbIGJsR.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: IbIGJsR.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Photograph of W.D. Fard dated between 1930-1934. The book he is reading is not the Qurʾan. It shows every indication of being The Bible of Islamism)</span></span><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/bpfOECl.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: bpfOECl.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Image of W.D. Fard in 1934. Not an original file. Subsequent Files and Paintings were Doctored. The book he is holding does not appear to be the Qurʾan. It appears to be The Bible of Islamism)</span></span><br />
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<img src="https://i.imgur.com/6k1QFqe.jpg" loading="lazy"  alt="[Image: 6k1QFqe.jpg]" class="mycode_img" /><br />
<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">(Doctored image of W.D. Fard. Not only have his facial features been modified, but the original book he was holding, The Bible of Islamism, is now much thicker. An attempt was made to change his appearance and the identity of the book from which he preached. The Bible of Islamism has been changed into a Qurʾan.)</span></span><br />
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<span style="font-weight: bold;" class="mycode_b"><span style="color: #ff56ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Conclusions</span></span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Mysterious, intriguing, and enigmatic, the idiosyncratic ideology that W.D. Fard preached has left an indelible mark on American Islam and the black American experience. An eclectic ideologue, who drew liberally from sources that suited him from East and West, the founder of the Nation of Islam created an original and unique formulation of the Islamic faith whose intertextuality is becoming increasingly less obscure. For some, the more the origins of his teachings are unraveled, the more Master Fard is exposed as Master Fraud. For others, it manifests the inner working of a mystifying mind, that of an autodidact intellectual. So mesmerizing was the man that thousands of people who came into contact with his person or his teachings came to believe in his divinity sincerely and genuinely. Few in history have had such an impact.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">If W.D. Fard was presenting Judge Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>as <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">The Bible of Islamism</span>, preaching from it, posing with it, drawing from its doctrines, and pretending that it was his Qurʾan, and the holy book of the Nation of Islam, the influence of the Jehovah’s Witnesses appears to have been even greater than previously proposed. Many teachings of W.D. Fard, even their very tone, seem to be echoes of J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> with all of its fiery preaching against Satan, Serpents, Beasts, Dragons, and Devils. It even mentions the Isle Patmos and beasts who will be gathered together at Armageddon.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">Fard’s blackboard, with the question, “who will win the war of Armageddon?” comes to mind, even though this parlance is not as prominent in later Nation of Islam teachings. Fard was using Rutherford’s writings and teaching aids. He was reading from <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> Fard may also have been delivering the speeches that Rutherford gave on the radio and at free lectures around the nation.<br />
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What is more, Rutherford also quotes Hebrews 11: 37-38 in <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> This passage in question speaks of people who “went about in sheepskins and goatskins,” who “wandered in deserts and mountains” and who lived in “caves and holes in the ground” much like Fard’s account of Yakub’s creation, namely, the development of a race of white devils by a mad scientist.<br />
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<span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span> repeatedly specifies that the End of Times started in 1914. It describes the Final Battle and the destruction of the devils. It breaks downs the world population into groups. It also teaches that hell is not a place of eternal suffering. When one reads <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, particularly chapter twelve on “The World Established” and “The Final Battle,” it is as if we hear Master Fard preaching. A detailed and systematic comparison of the teachings of J.F. Rutherford, the Witnesses, and particularly the work <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance! </span>with those of W.D. Fard is certainly in order. However, that should be the focus of future studies.</span></span><br />
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<span style="color: #9df9ff;" class="mycode_color"><span style="font-size: large;" class="mycode_size">This groundbreaking discovery, namely, the identification of W.D. Fard’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Bible of Islamism</span> as J.F. Rutherford’s <span style="font-style: italic;" class="mycode_i">Deliverance!</span>, further reinforces the views of those, like Faheem Shuaibe, a former minister of the Nation of Islam, and a lifelong student of Imam Warith Deen Mohammed (1933-2008), who described the movement as “Christianity painted black.” After all, if your scripture is Christian, can you truly be Muslim? Was W.D. Fard a Christian in Islamic garb? Was he some sort of mutant pseudo-Muslim-Jehovah’s Witness who went door to door fishing for souls in Detroit? Was the Nation of Islam a Christian offshoot? Or was it an Islamo-Christian sect of Messianic, theologically extreme, Shiite Muslims that was influenced by the apocalyptic teachings of J.F. Rutherford? It may have been that, in part, but it was far more than that. Hence, these, and many more questions, remain to be answered by the deductive minds of intrepid investigators and academic detectives. Let the quest continue!</span></span></blockquote>
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Source: <a href="https://bliis.org/essay/w-d-fards-bible-of-islamism-identified-a-century-old-mystery-is-solved/" target="_blank" rel="noopener" class="mycode_url">Berkeley Institute for Islamic Studies</a> (includes Bibliography, references, photos)]]></content:encoded>
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