<![CDATA[Rogue-Nation Discussion Board - Lost and Ancient]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/ Tue, 07 Apr 2026 21:44:57 +0000 MyBB <![CDATA[The CIA and the Ark of the Covenant]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2667 Thu, 27 Mar 2025 11:05:11 +0000 F2d5thCav]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2667
https://nypost.com/2025/03/26/world-news...ocs-claim/

A fun read.  Things to note:

Down in the article, Joseph McMoneagle casts doubt on any remote viewing exercise directed at an object the existence of which is undetermined ...

Something I would throw in is, this RV attempt took place in 1988.  Thus, the imagery described was very possibly influenced by the 1981 film, "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Beyond all that, I question why the CIA would even conduct such an RV exercise.  What may explain that is the CIA saw these kind of "investigations" as useful fodder for seeing how much they could influence public opinion on any given topic (re: psychological operations).  I would guess they knew these documents would be declassified at some point, at which time it would truly be "game on" in terms of seeing how many people uncritically accepted the contents of the document.

As Farrell signs off, "see you on the flip side" ...]]>
https://nypost.com/2025/03/26/world-news...ocs-claim/

A fun read.  Things to note:

Down in the article, Joseph McMoneagle casts doubt on any remote viewing exercise directed at an object the existence of which is undetermined ...

Something I would throw in is, this RV attempt took place in 1988.  Thus, the imagery described was very possibly influenced by the 1981 film, "Raiders of the Lost Ark".

Beyond all that, I question why the CIA would even conduct such an RV exercise.  What may explain that is the CIA saw these kind of "investigations" as useful fodder for seeing how much they could influence public opinion on any given topic (re: psychological operations).  I would guess they knew these documents would be declassified at some point, at which time it would truly be "game on" in terms of seeing how many people uncritically accepted the contents of the document.

As Farrell signs off, "see you on the flip side" ...]]> <![CDATA[Massive underground structure discovered beneath the pyramids of Giza]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2661 Tue, 25 Mar 2025 22:23:00 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2661 The article provided discusses a discovery by archaeologists using advanced radar technology that suggests there may be a vast underground city beneath the Giza Pyramids. This subterranean structure is purported to stretch over 2,100 feet beneath the pyramids, with cylindrical formations and additional structures deeper underground. While some researchers have expressed skepticism regarding the feasibility of such a discovery, it has sparked intrigue in both archaeological and conspiracy circles.

This actually does align with certain conspiracy theories, particularly those suggesting that the pyramids were not just tombs but have far more profound, hidden purposes. Some theorists believe the pyramids could be a giant spiritual antenna, designed to connect humanity to cosmic or extraterrestrial forces. These theories often point to the precision of the pyramids' construction, their alignment with celestial bodies, and their scale as evidence that ancient civilizations had access to knowledge far beyond what we typically attribute to them. The idea that there could be hidden chambers or a vast underground city further fuels the notion that the pyramids may harbor ancient secrets, potentially functioning as spiritual or technological conduits to realms beyond Earth. These findings, if verified, would add another layer of mystery, potentially validating these alternative interpretations of Egypt’s ancient monuments.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202[/color]

Researchers from Italy and Scotland used advanced radar technology to produce detailed images from deep below the surface, revealing possible hidden structures 10 times the size of the pyramids themselves.
The report highlights eight distinct vertical, cylinder-shaped formations stretching over 2,100 feet beneath the pyramids, along with a series of additional unidentified structures located another 4,000 feet further down.


]]> The article provided discusses a discovery by archaeologists using advanced radar technology that suggests there may be a vast underground city beneath the Giza Pyramids. This subterranean structure is purported to stretch over 2,100 feet beneath the pyramids, with cylindrical formations and additional structures deeper underground. While some researchers have expressed skepticism regarding the feasibility of such a discovery, it has sparked intrigue in both archaeological and conspiracy circles.

This actually does align with certain conspiracy theories, particularly those suggesting that the pyramids were not just tombs but have far more profound, hidden purposes. Some theorists believe the pyramids could be a giant spiritual antenna, designed to connect humanity to cosmic or extraterrestrial forces. These theories often point to the precision of the pyramids' construction, their alignment with celestial bodies, and their scale as evidence that ancient civilizations had access to knowledge far beyond what we typically attribute to them. The idea that there could be hidden chambers or a vast underground city further fuels the notion that the pyramids may harbor ancient secrets, potentially functioning as spiritual or technological conduits to realms beyond Earth. These findings, if verified, would add another layer of mystery, potentially validating these alternative interpretations of Egypt’s ancient monuments.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/202[/color]

Researchers from Italy and Scotland used advanced radar technology to produce detailed images from deep below the surface, revealing possible hidden structures 10 times the size of the pyramids themselves.
The report highlights eight distinct vertical, cylinder-shaped formations stretching over 2,100 feet beneath the pyramids, along with a series of additional unidentified structures located another 4,000 feet further down.


]]> <![CDATA[The Book of Two Ways]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2638 Mon, 10 Mar 2025 00:48:16 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2638 The "Book of Two Ways" is an ancient Egyptian funerary text considered to be the oldest known illustrated book. It served as a guide for the deceased to navigate the treacherous paths of the underworld, known as the Duat, and reach Rostau—the realm governed by the god Osiris. This text is part of the Coffin Texts, a collection of spells and illustrations inscribed on coffins during Egypt's Middle Kingdom period, around 4,000 years ago. 

In 2012, archaeologists led by Harco Willems from Belgium's University of Leuven uncovered fragments of the "Book of Two Ways" on the coffin of a woman named Ankh in the Deir el-Bersha necropolis. Despite the coffin's deterioration due to fungi, the inscriptions remained visible, providing valuable insights into ancient Egyptian beliefs about the afterlife.

The "Book of Two Ways" maps out two distinct routes—one by land and one by water—that the deceased could take to reach the afterlife. These paths are depicted as being separated by a lake of fire and are filled with various obstacles, including demons and fiery barriers. The text includes incantations and spells designed to help the deceased overcome these challenges, reflecting the Egyptians' deep concern with ensuring a safe passage to the afterlife. 

This discovery not only sheds light on the funerary practices of ancient Egypt but also highlights their intricate belief systems regarding life after death. The "Book of Two Ways" predates other well-known funerary texts, such as the "Book of the Dead," underscoring its significance in the evolution of Egyptian religious literature. 

The unearthing of Ankh's coffin and the inscriptions of the "Book of Two Ways" within it provide a rare glimpse into the personalized nature of these texts, as they were often customized based on the individual's status and wealth. This find enriches our understanding of how ancient Egyptians perceived the journey after death and the measures they took to prepare for it. 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/book-of-two-ways]]> The "Book of Two Ways" is an ancient Egyptian funerary text considered to be the oldest known illustrated book. It served as a guide for the deceased to navigate the treacherous paths of the underworld, known as the Duat, and reach Rostau—the realm governed by the god Osiris. This text is part of the Coffin Texts, a collection of spells and illustrations inscribed on coffins during Egypt's Middle Kingdom period, around 4,000 years ago. 

In 2012, archaeologists led by Harco Willems from Belgium's University of Leuven uncovered fragments of the "Book of Two Ways" on the coffin of a woman named Ankh in the Deir el-Bersha necropolis. Despite the coffin's deterioration due to fungi, the inscriptions remained visible, providing valuable insights into ancient Egyptian beliefs about the afterlife.

The "Book of Two Ways" maps out two distinct routes—one by land and one by water—that the deceased could take to reach the afterlife. These paths are depicted as being separated by a lake of fire and are filled with various obstacles, including demons and fiery barriers. The text includes incantations and spells designed to help the deceased overcome these challenges, reflecting the Egyptians' deep concern with ensuring a safe passage to the afterlife. 

This discovery not only sheds light on the funerary practices of ancient Egypt but also highlights their intricate belief systems regarding life after death. The "Book of Two Ways" predates other well-known funerary texts, such as the "Book of the Dead," underscoring its significance in the evolution of Egyptian religious literature. 

The unearthing of Ankh's coffin and the inscriptions of the "Book of Two Ways" within it provide a rare glimpse into the personalized nature of these texts, as they were often customized based on the individual's status and wealth. This find enriches our understanding of how ancient Egyptians perceived the journey after death and the measures they took to prepare for it. 

https://allthatsinteresting.com/book-of-two-ways]]> <![CDATA[Annunaki | Gods from Planet Nibiru and the Makers of Man]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2634 Sun, 09 Mar 2025 07:01:19 +0000 727Sky]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2634 Quote:Annunaki | Gods from Planet Nibiru and the Makers of Man Seven million years ago, a chimpanzee stood up on its hind legs, and a new species of hominin emerged. Over the next few million years, hominins evolved. They were still ape-like in appearance, but these were not apes. Their brains grew larger. They created stone tools and hunted large game. They discovered fire and learned to follow the migration patterns of the animals they used for food, clothing, and shelter. It took a few million years for hominins to discover how to make a stone spearhead. Two million years later, that stone spearhead changed into - a different shaped spearhead. Technology evolved slowly. But, three hundred thousand years ago, homo sapiens appeared. And before long, they - we were the dominant species on the planet. Once they destroyed Neanderthals once and for all, something happened. Technology accelerated. It only took 30,000 years to go from Gobekli Tepe to landing probes on other planets. How could mankind evolve so fast? The answer is: they couldn't. Mankind didn't evolve at all. Mankind was engineered: purpose-built to be the perfect slaves for a race of far superior beings who, according to ancient texts, descended from the heavens. Eventually, the slaves rebelled. And our masters - tried to destroy us in a great flood. Sumerian texts, Egyptian religions, Ancient Indian myths, Native American legends - even the Bible. They all tell the same story. It's the story of Gods and Men. It's the story of the Annunaki.

]]> Quote:Annunaki | Gods from Planet Nibiru and the Makers of Man Seven million years ago, a chimpanzee stood up on its hind legs, and a new species of hominin emerged. Over the next few million years, hominins evolved. They were still ape-like in appearance, but these were not apes. Their brains grew larger. They created stone tools and hunted large game. They discovered fire and learned to follow the migration patterns of the animals they used for food, clothing, and shelter. It took a few million years for hominins to discover how to make a stone spearhead. Two million years later, that stone spearhead changed into - a different shaped spearhead. Technology evolved slowly. But, three hundred thousand years ago, homo sapiens appeared. And before long, they - we were the dominant species on the planet. Once they destroyed Neanderthals once and for all, something happened. Technology accelerated. It only took 30,000 years to go from Gobekli Tepe to landing probes on other planets. How could mankind evolve so fast? The answer is: they couldn't. Mankind didn't evolve at all. Mankind was engineered: purpose-built to be the perfect slaves for a race of far superior beings who, according to ancient texts, descended from the heavens. Eventually, the slaves rebelled. And our masters - tried to destroy us in a great flood. Sumerian texts, Egyptian religions, Ancient Indian myths, Native American legends - even the Bible. They all tell the same story. It's the story of Gods and Men. It's the story of the Annunaki.

]]> <![CDATA[Rodinia]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2629 Fri, 07 Mar 2025 02:52:08 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2629 https://portal.gplates.org/static/html/rodinia.html

I’d never heard of Rodinia until I stumbled across it recently. I’ve always known about Pangaea, that giant supercontinent that existed around 300 million years ago and broke apart to form the continents we recognize today. But it turns out that Pangaea wasn't the first supercontinent to exist. Before it, there was Rodinia, and it’s fascinating how it shaped the earth's history long before Pangaea ever came to be.

Rodinia existed somewhere between 1.1 billion and 750 million years ago, long before the dinosaurs roamed. The name "Rodinia" itself comes from the Russian word "родина," meaning "homeland," hinting at the idea that it might have been the origin of the landmasses we know now. Scientists believe it formed when a bunch of smaller landmasses and cratons (the stable cores of continents) came together. It was a supercontinent, but one that was very different from Pangaea in both its size and structure. Unlike the more familiar continents we know today, Rodinia didn’t break apart with distinct, clear boundaries—it fragmented in a more chaotic way, which makes studying it tricky.

The breakup of Rodinia is one of the most interesting parts of its story. It’s thought that the supercontinent eventually split apart because of tectonic forces, though it wasn't a clean break like Pangaea. Instead, it led to the formation of several smaller landmasses that would later become part of the continents we know today. This process, over millions of years, created vast changes in Earth's geography and climate. In fact, the separation of Rodinia is thought to have played a significant role in the snowball Earth hypothesis, which suggests that Earth may have gone through a period of extreme glaciation, possibly freezing nearly all of its surface.

So, while Pangaea tends to get all the glory in discussions about Earth's ancient continents, Rodinia is an important precursor to it, shaping the planet’s surface in ways we’re still uncovering. It's wild to think how, even though we’re familiar with the modern continents, the landmasses we walk on today are really just the result of ancient processes that happened over billions of years. Learning about Rodinia is like uncovering another layer of Earth’s ever-evolving history.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/grand-canyon-tasmania
Now scientists have discovered a hidden "Grand Canyon" in Tasmania, a remarkable geological feature that has remained concealed for millions of years. This stunning canyon, known as the "Pieman River Canyon," was uncovered by researchers using advanced LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) technology. The canyon stretches over 20 kilometers in length and plunges to depths of up to 400 meters, making it one of the most significant geological discoveries in the region. Despite being right under the noses of locals, it had never been noticed before due to dense forest cover and rugged terrain, which makes the area hard to explore.

The canyon's formation dates back around 15 million years, shaped by the slow erosion of the surrounding land and the powerful forces of the Pieman River. What's particularly fascinating is that the canyon's remote location has preserved a snapshot of Tasmania's ancient landscape, offering clues to how the region's topography evolved over millions of years. Some of the surrounding rock formations suggest that this area may have once been part of a much larger, continuous landmass, possibly linking Tasmania to mainland Australia during prehistoric times.

In addition to its geological significance, the Pieman River Canyon also offers a unique opportunity to study Tasmania's biodiversity. Researchers believe that the canyon's secluded environment may have fostered the development of species found nowhere else in the world. Given its remote nature, it could contain undiscovered plant and animal life that has been isolated for millennia.

Speculating about the implications of this discovery, one might wonder if the canyon’s geological features could be a direct link to the lost supercontinent of Rodinia. Formed around 1.3 billion years ago, Rodinia is believed to have once connected much of the Earth's landmasses, including what would eventually become Australia, Antarctica, and parts of South America. The Pieman River Canyon’s ancient rock formations may hold clues to this colossal landmass’s breakup, offering insight into how the continent fractured and drifted apart over time. The canyon's layers, with their complex geological history, could provide evidence of tectonic shifts and the forces that led to the eventual separation of Rodinia into the continents we recognize today. This discovery raises the tantalizing possibility that more remnants of Rodinia’s once-massive landforms are still hidden beneath the Earth’s surface, waiting to be uncovered.

]]> https://portal.gplates.org/static/html/rodinia.html

I’d never heard of Rodinia until I stumbled across it recently. I’ve always known about Pangaea, that giant supercontinent that existed around 300 million years ago and broke apart to form the continents we recognize today. But it turns out that Pangaea wasn't the first supercontinent to exist. Before it, there was Rodinia, and it’s fascinating how it shaped the earth's history long before Pangaea ever came to be.

Rodinia existed somewhere between 1.1 billion and 750 million years ago, long before the dinosaurs roamed. The name "Rodinia" itself comes from the Russian word "родина," meaning "homeland," hinting at the idea that it might have been the origin of the landmasses we know now. Scientists believe it formed when a bunch of smaller landmasses and cratons (the stable cores of continents) came together. It was a supercontinent, but one that was very different from Pangaea in both its size and structure. Unlike the more familiar continents we know today, Rodinia didn’t break apart with distinct, clear boundaries—it fragmented in a more chaotic way, which makes studying it tricky.

The breakup of Rodinia is one of the most interesting parts of its story. It’s thought that the supercontinent eventually split apart because of tectonic forces, though it wasn't a clean break like Pangaea. Instead, it led to the formation of several smaller landmasses that would later become part of the continents we know today. This process, over millions of years, created vast changes in Earth's geography and climate. In fact, the separation of Rodinia is thought to have played a significant role in the snowball Earth hypothesis, which suggests that Earth may have gone through a period of extreme glaciation, possibly freezing nearly all of its surface.

So, while Pangaea tends to get all the glory in discussions about Earth's ancient continents, Rodinia is an important precursor to it, shaping the planet’s surface in ways we’re still uncovering. It's wild to think how, even though we’re familiar with the modern continents, the landmasses we walk on today are really just the result of ancient processes that happened over billions of years. Learning about Rodinia is like uncovering another layer of Earth’s ever-evolving history.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/grand-canyon-tasmania
Now scientists have discovered a hidden "Grand Canyon" in Tasmania, a remarkable geological feature that has remained concealed for millions of years. This stunning canyon, known as the "Pieman River Canyon," was uncovered by researchers using advanced LiDAR (Light Detection and Ranging) technology. The canyon stretches over 20 kilometers in length and plunges to depths of up to 400 meters, making it one of the most significant geological discoveries in the region. Despite being right under the noses of locals, it had never been noticed before due to dense forest cover and rugged terrain, which makes the area hard to explore.

The canyon's formation dates back around 15 million years, shaped by the slow erosion of the surrounding land and the powerful forces of the Pieman River. What's particularly fascinating is that the canyon's remote location has preserved a snapshot of Tasmania's ancient landscape, offering clues to how the region's topography evolved over millions of years. Some of the surrounding rock formations suggest that this area may have once been part of a much larger, continuous landmass, possibly linking Tasmania to mainland Australia during prehistoric times.

In addition to its geological significance, the Pieman River Canyon also offers a unique opportunity to study Tasmania's biodiversity. Researchers believe that the canyon's secluded environment may have fostered the development of species found nowhere else in the world. Given its remote nature, it could contain undiscovered plant and animal life that has been isolated for millennia.

Speculating about the implications of this discovery, one might wonder if the canyon’s geological features could be a direct link to the lost supercontinent of Rodinia. Formed around 1.3 billion years ago, Rodinia is believed to have once connected much of the Earth's landmasses, including what would eventually become Australia, Antarctica, and parts of South America. The Pieman River Canyon’s ancient rock formations may hold clues to this colossal landmass’s breakup, offering insight into how the continent fractured and drifted apart over time. The canyon's layers, with their complex geological history, could provide evidence of tectonic shifts and the forces that led to the eventual separation of Rodinia into the continents we recognize today. This discovery raises the tantalizing possibility that more remnants of Rodinia’s once-massive landforms are still hidden beneath the Earth’s surface, waiting to be uncovered.

]]> <![CDATA[Xolotl The Aztec god of Lightning and Fire]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2562 Tue, 21 Jan 2025 05:16:35 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2562  Ancient history is something I have been dabbling in a little bit lately, and as I have been looking into some of the different creation stories and learning about a lot of the different ancient gods I came across this Xolotl and thought he was one of the more interesting deities, and worth sharing.
I had never heard of him until tonight.
Great backstory. Its amazing the things our minds come up with when it comes to interpreting the "gods" and creation itself.



The Chilling Story Of Xolotl, The Aztec God Who Helped Create Humanity — And Then Tried To Cheat Death 

One version of the Aztec creation myth tells how Xolotl, the dog-headed god of lightning and fire, slayed his fellow deities and then transformed himself into a salamander in an attempt to hide from death.


The Aztec deity Xolotl was seen as the twin brother of Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent god linked with life and light. In many ways, Xolotl was Quetzalcoatl’s opposite. He was associated with sickness, deformities, and even death, but he was not considered evil.

Xolotl didn’t bring death to the Aztecs. Rather, he was a psychopomp, or someone who guided souls to Mictlan, the Aztec Underworld. In the culture’s mythology, dogs were also believed to help their masters travel to the afterlife, so Xolotl was often depicted with a dog’s head.

The deity also played a major role in the Aztec creation myth. He helped Quetzalcoatl retrieve bones from Mictlan to create modern humans — but he also killed his fellow deities and then tried to cheat death himself.

Overall, Xolotl is a perfect representation of the Aztec belief system, in which life and death are interconnected, transformation is constant, and balance is essential for the stability of the universe. And, like his twin brother Quetzalcoatl, Xolotl’s place in history extended beyond the Aztecs.

The Ancient Origins Of Xolotl, The Dog-Headed Aztec God
Like in any ancient culture, tales involving Xolotl were passed down through oral tradition, making it difficult to trace the exact origins of when the deity first emerged.

Xolotl is similar to other canine gods worshipped by the Maya and the Zapotecs — particularly in his association with lightning — suggesting his true roots may lie in earlier Mesoamerican cultures.



However, Xolotl is differentiated from other deities by his association with Quetzalcoatl. As twins, Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl represented opposing forces. Quetzalcoatl was associated with life, light, and the morning star, while Xolotl embodied death, darkness, and the evening star. They balanced each other out and created cosmic harmony.

Although Xolotl was the god of lightning and fire, he was also tied to twins, dogs, deformities, sickness, and misfortune. Depictions of the deity often included a dog’s head atop a skeletal body. Often, his feet were backward and his eye sockets were empty.

In addition to leading souls to Mictlan, Xolotl was tasked with guiding the Sun through the land of the dead every night until it rose again each morning.

Furthermore, Xolotl was known to represent transformation, as evidenced by his own ability to change into various forms, including the maize plant and, as his name suggests, the axolotl. He also served as a psychopomp, guiding the souls of the deceased through the nine levels of Mictlan, the Aztec Underworld. What’s more, his role in Mictlan also helped lead to the creation of humanity.

Xolotl’s Role In The Aztec Creation Myth
While the four Aztec creator gods were brothers Quetzalcoatl, Xipe Totec, Huitzilopochtli, and Tezcatlipoca, Xolotl also played an important role in the culture’s creation myth.

The legend tells of the “Five Suns,” or five cycles of creation, destruction, and rebirth that some ancient Mesoamericans believed the universe experienced. Xolotl’s story comes in during the creation of the Fifth Sun, which is the current era of humanity.



While there are several versions of the myth, one interpretation tells how Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl traveled to Mictlan at the end of the Fourth Sun to retrieve the bones of past generations and form them into new people.

They faced numerous challenges set by Mictlantecuhtli, the lord of the Underworld, but they eventually secured the bones. Quetzalcoatl then ground them and mixed them with his own blood, giving birth to the humans of the Fifth Sun.

Meanwhile, the new Sun remained still. The gods soon realized that additional sacrifices would be necessary to set the Sun in motion and sustain its journey across the heavens. Some versions of the creation myth tell how the gods realized they would have to die for the advancement of humanity, and they tasked Xolotl with killing them before taking his own life.



Xolotl, however, was reluctant to face death. After slaying the other deities, he attempted to flee. He transformed himself into a maize plant and a salamander known as an axolotl to hide, but the wind god Ehecatl ultimately found him and killed him.

Other iterations of the tale state that Xolotl was so sad after killing the other gods that he cried until his eyes fell out of their sockets. This is why he was often depicted with empty eyes in Aztec art.

Ultimately, the sacrifice of the deities set the Sun in motion, and their sacrifices were, in turn, rewarded by various human sacrifices in their honor ever after.


Xolotl ultimately came to be venerated as the god of fire and lightning, but the duality of his nature was not lost on the Aztec people who worshipped him. Offerings made in his honor included food, incense, and, in some instances, animal sacrifices. All of these were meant to appease Xolotl, ensuring his guidance and protection, particularly in matters related to death and the afterlife.

There were several festivals and celebrations held in Xolotl’s honor, the most notable of which was Hueymiccaihuitl, or the Great Feast of the Dead. The festival occurred during the 10th month of the Aztec calendar and was dedicated to honoring deceased ancestors. It involved rituals that acknowledged Xolotl’s role as a guide for souls to the Underworld.

During the festival, families presented food, flowers, and other goods to honor their departed loved ones, asking for Xolotl’s assistance in helping the souls of the deceased find their way to Mictlan safely. They also lit bonfires that were meant to symbolize light guiding souls through the darkness of the Underworld — which, of course, also represented Xolotl’s nature as a god of fire.


Ultimately, however, it is impossible to discuss Xolotl without mentioning Quetzalcoatl. While referenced as separate gods in modern writing, the two were inseparably worshipped, each representing the twin phases of Venus. They were two sides of the same coin — distinct gods, but each one half of a greater entity.

The relationship between these two deities is representative of the larger context of Aztec mythology. Throughout Aztec myths, duality, transformation, and an interconnectedness between life and death are common motifs, and they are perhaps no better illustrated than by the stories of Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/xolotl

]]>  Ancient history is something I have been dabbling in a little bit lately, and as I have been looking into some of the different creation stories and learning about a lot of the different ancient gods I came across this Xolotl and thought he was one of the more interesting deities, and worth sharing.
I had never heard of him until tonight.
Great backstory. Its amazing the things our minds come up with when it comes to interpreting the "gods" and creation itself.



The Chilling Story Of Xolotl, The Aztec God Who Helped Create Humanity — And Then Tried To Cheat Death 

One version of the Aztec creation myth tells how Xolotl, the dog-headed god of lightning and fire, slayed his fellow deities and then transformed himself into a salamander in an attempt to hide from death.


The Aztec deity Xolotl was seen as the twin brother of Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent god linked with life and light. In many ways, Xolotl was Quetzalcoatl’s opposite. He was associated with sickness, deformities, and even death, but he was not considered evil.

Xolotl didn’t bring death to the Aztecs. Rather, he was a psychopomp, or someone who guided souls to Mictlan, the Aztec Underworld. In the culture’s mythology, dogs were also believed to help their masters travel to the afterlife, so Xolotl was often depicted with a dog’s head.

The deity also played a major role in the Aztec creation myth. He helped Quetzalcoatl retrieve bones from Mictlan to create modern humans — but he also killed his fellow deities and then tried to cheat death himself.

Overall, Xolotl is a perfect representation of the Aztec belief system, in which life and death are interconnected, transformation is constant, and balance is essential for the stability of the universe. And, like his twin brother Quetzalcoatl, Xolotl’s place in history extended beyond the Aztecs.

The Ancient Origins Of Xolotl, The Dog-Headed Aztec God
Like in any ancient culture, tales involving Xolotl were passed down through oral tradition, making it difficult to trace the exact origins of when the deity first emerged.

Xolotl is similar to other canine gods worshipped by the Maya and the Zapotecs — particularly in his association with lightning — suggesting his true roots may lie in earlier Mesoamerican cultures.



However, Xolotl is differentiated from other deities by his association with Quetzalcoatl. As twins, Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl represented opposing forces. Quetzalcoatl was associated with life, light, and the morning star, while Xolotl embodied death, darkness, and the evening star. They balanced each other out and created cosmic harmony.

Although Xolotl was the god of lightning and fire, he was also tied to twins, dogs, deformities, sickness, and misfortune. Depictions of the deity often included a dog’s head atop a skeletal body. Often, his feet were backward and his eye sockets were empty.

In addition to leading souls to Mictlan, Xolotl was tasked with guiding the Sun through the land of the dead every night until it rose again each morning.

Furthermore, Xolotl was known to represent transformation, as evidenced by his own ability to change into various forms, including the maize plant and, as his name suggests, the axolotl. He also served as a psychopomp, guiding the souls of the deceased through the nine levels of Mictlan, the Aztec Underworld. What’s more, his role in Mictlan also helped lead to the creation of humanity.

Xolotl’s Role In The Aztec Creation Myth
While the four Aztec creator gods were brothers Quetzalcoatl, Xipe Totec, Huitzilopochtli, and Tezcatlipoca, Xolotl also played an important role in the culture’s creation myth.

The legend tells of the “Five Suns,” or five cycles of creation, destruction, and rebirth that some ancient Mesoamericans believed the universe experienced. Xolotl’s story comes in during the creation of the Fifth Sun, which is the current era of humanity.



While there are several versions of the myth, one interpretation tells how Xolotl and Quetzalcoatl traveled to Mictlan at the end of the Fourth Sun to retrieve the bones of past generations and form them into new people.

They faced numerous challenges set by Mictlantecuhtli, the lord of the Underworld, but they eventually secured the bones. Quetzalcoatl then ground them and mixed them with his own blood, giving birth to the humans of the Fifth Sun.

Meanwhile, the new Sun remained still. The gods soon realized that additional sacrifices would be necessary to set the Sun in motion and sustain its journey across the heavens. Some versions of the creation myth tell how the gods realized they would have to die for the advancement of humanity, and they tasked Xolotl with killing them before taking his own life.



Xolotl, however, was reluctant to face death. After slaying the other deities, he attempted to flee. He transformed himself into a maize plant and a salamander known as an axolotl to hide, but the wind god Ehecatl ultimately found him and killed him.

Other iterations of the tale state that Xolotl was so sad after killing the other gods that he cried until his eyes fell out of their sockets. This is why he was often depicted with empty eyes in Aztec art.

Ultimately, the sacrifice of the deities set the Sun in motion, and their sacrifices were, in turn, rewarded by various human sacrifices in their honor ever after.


Xolotl ultimately came to be venerated as the god of fire and lightning, but the duality of his nature was not lost on the Aztec people who worshipped him. Offerings made in his honor included food, incense, and, in some instances, animal sacrifices. All of these were meant to appease Xolotl, ensuring his guidance and protection, particularly in matters related to death and the afterlife.

There were several festivals and celebrations held in Xolotl’s honor, the most notable of which was Hueymiccaihuitl, or the Great Feast of the Dead. The festival occurred during the 10th month of the Aztec calendar and was dedicated to honoring deceased ancestors. It involved rituals that acknowledged Xolotl’s role as a guide for souls to the Underworld.

During the festival, families presented food, flowers, and other goods to honor their departed loved ones, asking for Xolotl’s assistance in helping the souls of the deceased find their way to Mictlan safely. They also lit bonfires that were meant to symbolize light guiding souls through the darkness of the Underworld — which, of course, also represented Xolotl’s nature as a god of fire.


Ultimately, however, it is impossible to discuss Xolotl without mentioning Quetzalcoatl. While referenced as separate gods in modern writing, the two were inseparably worshipped, each representing the twin phases of Venus. They were two sides of the same coin — distinct gods, but each one half of a greater entity.

The relationship between these two deities is representative of the larger context of Aztec mythology. Throughout Aztec myths, duality, transformation, and an interconnectedness between life and death are common motifs, and they are perhaps no better illustrated than by the stories of Quetzalcoatl and Xolotl.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/xolotl

]]> <![CDATA[Scientist Have Found the Yellow Brick Road]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2455 Tue, 05 Nov 2024 00:13:35 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2455 ...buried deep in the pacific. 

I thought this was kind of funny, as well as interesting. 

So, here we go. 
Follow the Yellow brick road.

Scientists Found a 'Yellow Brick Road' at The Bottom of The Pacific Ocean
by carly@sciencealert.com(Carly Cassella)

An expedition to a deep-sea ridge, just north of the Hawaiian Islands, revealed a surprise discovery back in 2022: an ancient dried-out lake bed paved with what looks like a yellow brick road.

The eerie scene was chanced upon by the exploration vessel Nautilus, while surveying the Liliʻuokalani ridge within Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument (PMNM).



PMNM is one of the largest marine conservation areas in the world, larger than all the national parks in the United States combined, and we've only explored about 3 percent of its seafloor.

Researchers at the Ocean Exploration Trust are pushing the frontiers of this wilderness, which lies more than 3,000 meters below the waves, and the best part is, anyone can watch the exploration.

A highlight reel of the expedition's footage published on YouTube in April 2022 captured the moment researchers operating the deep-sea vehicle stumbled upon the road to Oz.


"It's the road to Atlantis," a researcher on the radio can be heard exclaiming.


"The yellow brick road?" another voice counters.

"This is bizarre," adds another member of the team.

"Are you kidding me? This is crazy."

Despite being located under about a thousand meters of ocean, the lake bed discovered by researchers on the summit of the Nootka seamount looks surprisingly dry.

On the radio, the team notes that the ground looks almost like "baked crust" that could be peeled off.

In one tiny section, the volcanic rock has fractured in a way that looks strikingly similar to bricks.

The researchers found the discovery to be very unusual. 

"The unique 90-degree fractures are likely related to heating and cooling stress from multiple eruptions at this baked margin," reads a caption to the YouTube video.

At first glance, the effect is easily mistaken for a path to a wonderful new world. And in a way, that's not altogether wrong.

Following the brick road is a sign we're headed in the right direction and could soon learn a whole lot more about Earth's hidden geology.


How could a road be almost a thousand feet down at the bottom of the ocean? There's no way a road can sink, in tact, that far, and land constructed like that. Not even a section of it, I would think, but I could be wrong.

Could it of lead to an ancient city under the ocean?
The road to Atlantis, maybe?
It just baked that way?
Either way pretty cool; fun to speculate. 
The Yellow brick road has finally been found; and Dorothy was a long way from Kansas. 

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-...ific-ocean]]> ...buried deep in the pacific. 

I thought this was kind of funny, as well as interesting. 

So, here we go. 
Follow the Yellow brick road.

Scientists Found a 'Yellow Brick Road' at The Bottom of The Pacific Ocean
by carly@sciencealert.com(Carly Cassella)

An expedition to a deep-sea ridge, just north of the Hawaiian Islands, revealed a surprise discovery back in 2022: an ancient dried-out lake bed paved with what looks like a yellow brick road.

The eerie scene was chanced upon by the exploration vessel Nautilus, while surveying the Liliʻuokalani ridge within Papahānaumokuākea Marine National Monument (PMNM).



PMNM is one of the largest marine conservation areas in the world, larger than all the national parks in the United States combined, and we've only explored about 3 percent of its seafloor.

Researchers at the Ocean Exploration Trust are pushing the frontiers of this wilderness, which lies more than 3,000 meters below the waves, and the best part is, anyone can watch the exploration.

A highlight reel of the expedition's footage published on YouTube in April 2022 captured the moment researchers operating the deep-sea vehicle stumbled upon the road to Oz.


"It's the road to Atlantis," a researcher on the radio can be heard exclaiming.


"The yellow brick road?" another voice counters.

"This is bizarre," adds another member of the team.

"Are you kidding me? This is crazy."

Despite being located under about a thousand meters of ocean, the lake bed discovered by researchers on the summit of the Nootka seamount looks surprisingly dry.

On the radio, the team notes that the ground looks almost like "baked crust" that could be peeled off.

In one tiny section, the volcanic rock has fractured in a way that looks strikingly similar to bricks.

The researchers found the discovery to be very unusual. 

"The unique 90-degree fractures are likely related to heating and cooling stress from multiple eruptions at this baked margin," reads a caption to the YouTube video.

At first glance, the effect is easily mistaken for a path to a wonderful new world. And in a way, that's not altogether wrong.

Following the brick road is a sign we're headed in the right direction and could soon learn a whole lot more about Earth's hidden geology.


How could a road be almost a thousand feet down at the bottom of the ocean? There's no way a road can sink, in tact, that far, and land constructed like that. Not even a section of it, I would think, but I could be wrong.

Could it of lead to an ancient city under the ocean?
The road to Atlantis, maybe?
It just baked that way?
Either way pretty cool; fun to speculate. 
The Yellow brick road has finally been found; and Dorothy was a long way from Kansas. 

https://www.sciencealert.com/scientists-...ific-ocean]]> <![CDATA[The Most Mysterious Cave in The World]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2260 Mon, 05 Aug 2024 22:14:24 +0000 727Sky]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2260
Quote:Longyou Caves Mystery - For thousands of years, the Longyou Caves remained lost to time and history. No one even knew that such a cave existed. But all that changed one day when one curious local of the Shiyan Beicun village decided to put a popular legend to the test. #longyu #cave #mystery


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Quote:Longyou Caves Mystery - For thousands of years, the Longyou Caves remained lost to time and history. No one even knew that such a cave existed. But all that changed one day when one curious local of the Shiyan Beicun village decided to put a popular legend to the test. #longyu #cave #mystery


]]> <![CDATA[Mystery of the Dropa Stones]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2091 Sat, 25 May 2024 04:32:06 +0000 EndtheMadnessNow]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=2091
Walter Bosley - Mystery of the Dropa Stones with Hans Dietrich



Hans Dietrich is an accomplished graphic, presentation, and marketing designer whose journey has taken him across 22 countries, immersing him in a wealth of cultural and esoteric knowledge. Raised in Kathmandu, Nepal, Hans possesses deep insights into Corporate, Esoteric, and Occult Symbolism, along with a profound understanding of Shambala, Mt. Meru, the Mahabharata, Vimanas, and the intriguing connection between ancient Buddhism and Sirius. His expertise extends to the enigmatic Dropa Stones, the nomadic Drokpa people, and the rich tapestry of legends surrounding Nepal, including the elusive Yeti.

Having forged close ties with notable figures like Brien Foerester, Brad Olsen, Knights Templar Grand Master Timothy Hogan, Mohamed Ibrahim, Stephen Mehler, Yousef Awyan, Patricia Awyan Lehman, Maria Wheatley, LA Marzulli, Jonny Enoch, and the late Lloyd Pye, Hans has lent his talents to producing book covers and promotional materials for these renowned scholars and tour guides. His explorations have taken him on multiple journeys through Peru, Mexico, Egypt, Nepal, India, Pakistan, Tibet, and Bhutan, enriching his understanding of ancient civilizations and their interconnectedness.

His book: Dropa Legends & Lore - Connecting the Ancient Secrets of Bhutan, China, Nepal, Tibet, and Sirius by Hans Dietrich.

Website: https://www.megamyst.com/]]>
Walter Bosley - Mystery of the Dropa Stones with Hans Dietrich



Hans Dietrich is an accomplished graphic, presentation, and marketing designer whose journey has taken him across 22 countries, immersing him in a wealth of cultural and esoteric knowledge. Raised in Kathmandu, Nepal, Hans possesses deep insights into Corporate, Esoteric, and Occult Symbolism, along with a profound understanding of Shambala, Mt. Meru, the Mahabharata, Vimanas, and the intriguing connection between ancient Buddhism and Sirius. His expertise extends to the enigmatic Dropa Stones, the nomadic Drokpa people, and the rich tapestry of legends surrounding Nepal, including the elusive Yeti.

Having forged close ties with notable figures like Brien Foerester, Brad Olsen, Knights Templar Grand Master Timothy Hogan, Mohamed Ibrahim, Stephen Mehler, Yousef Awyan, Patricia Awyan Lehman, Maria Wheatley, LA Marzulli, Jonny Enoch, and the late Lloyd Pye, Hans has lent his talents to producing book covers and promotional materials for these renowned scholars and tour guides. His explorations have taken him on multiple journeys through Peru, Mexico, Egypt, Nepal, India, Pakistan, Tibet, and Bhutan, enriching his understanding of ancient civilizations and their interconnectedness.

His book: Dropa Legends & Lore - Connecting the Ancient Secrets of Bhutan, China, Nepal, Tibet, and Sirius by Hans Dietrich.

Website: https://www.megamyst.com/]]> <![CDATA[Aztec Death Whistle]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1980 Wed, 10 Apr 2024 12:44:20 +0000 FlickerOfLight]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1980 The Murky History Of The Aztec Death Whistle, The Screaming Instrument Said To Make The Most Terrifying Sound In The World

While some have theorized that ancient Mesoamericans used the Aztec death whistle to terrify their enemies during battle, experts are still unsure what exactly these skull-shaped instruments were really used for.
Aztec Death Whistle


In the late 1990s, a group of archaeologists discovered the skeleton of a human sacrifice victim within an ancient temple in Mexico City. Curiously, in each of its hands, the skeleton held a small ceramic whistle molded to look like a human skull. This discovery marked the beginning of a widespread fascination with the so-called “Aztec death whistle.”



In the years since, many have attempted to create knockoff copies of this enigmatic instrument. Content creators have taken to posting to YouTube, demonstrating the “terrifying” sound it purportedly makes. This noise has been likened to the shriek of a banshee, the howling wind, the screams of the damned, or the “wail of a thousand souls.”

These haunting cries have inspired a slew of theories about the whistles’ original purpose. Rumors have circulated online that Aztec warriors blew into these instruments during battle to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies. Others have suggested that the whistles may have been used to ward off evil spirits during human sacrifice.

Unfortunately, the truth is that experts don’t know for certain what purpose the whistles might have served — and many of the claims being circulated online seem to be unsubstantiated.



The mystery of the Aztec death whistle began in 1999. Then, a team of archaeologists led by Salvador Guillieum Arroyo were exploring the ruins of an ancient Aztec temple in Tlatelolco, Mexico City dedicated to the wind god Ehecatl.

It was here that they found the remains of the 20-year-old victim of a sacrificial ritual, clutching a pair of skull-shaped whistles.

This was not the first time such whistles had been found. In the 1970s, the historian José Luis Franco published the first analysis of similar whistles found in Mexico. Through his drawings, Franco demonstrated that most of the whistles were fashioned into the shape of either a skull or an owl, a creature associated with death in various Mexican cultures.

But before Arroyo’s 1999 discovery, no other such whistle had been found within its archaeological context.



Arroyo and his team soon realized that the ceramic whistles were meant to depict another Aztec god: Mictlantecuhtli, the god of the underworld and death. Hence, the instruments came to be known commonly as “Aztec death whistles.” They are also known as ehecachichtli, after the wind god Ehecatl.

While it was clear that these whistles had some sort of ceremonial or spiritual purpose, researchers still don’t know what the ancient Aztecs used them for. In fact, experts were not even sure what these instruments might have sounded like when played by an Aztec priest or musician

Then, in the early 2000s, a music archaeologist by the name of Arnd Adje Both received the opportunity to play the whistles.

What Does The Aztec Death Whistle Sound Like?
Arnd Adje Both had long harbored a fascination with the instruments and musical culture of pre-Columbian societies. Given his expertise, he was granted the honor of being the first person to play the Aztec death whistles Arroyo’s team had uncovered in 1999, in the hopes that he might be able to recreate, with some accuracy, their intended sound.

While the sounds produced by knockoff Aztec death whistles in recent YouTube videos are akin to bloodcurdling screams, Both produced a sound that was similar to the wind, but slightly distorted.

His interest piqued, Both then took CT scans of the death whistles to create his own replicas for further study. He later explained what he discovered in an interview with How Stuff Works.



He described the whistles as a type of “air spring” whistle, which were first invented by the Maya around 700 to 800 C.E. Air springs such as these have a rounded chamber on the inside, which creates a distorted sound, as well as an opening on the bottom that can produce various tones depending on how the player cups their hands.

Both noted that air spring whistles “don’t fit into the Western classifications of wind instruments… which means that they’re singular worldwide and only produced in pre-Columbian America.”

To this day, only a few genuine examples of death whistles have ever been found. However, one researcher, Roberto Velázquez Cabrera, has dedicated years of research to the instruments — and provided some historical context regarding their purpose.

Possible Uses For These Mysterious Instruments
Writing for the site Mexicolore in 2011, Roberto Velázquez Cabrera drew a connection between Ehecatl and Mictlantecutli that could explain, to some degree, what the ritual purpose of the death whistles could have been.

Because the 1999 whistles were found in an Aztec temple dedicated to the wind god Ehecatl, and because of the eerie, wind-like sound they purportedly make, Cabrera suggested they may have been used in rituals related to Ehecatl. If a ritual called for wind — or, at the very least, the sound of strong wind — then perhaps the instruments could have been used to evoke the wind because “a strong wind cannot simply be summoned whenever the occasion requires.”

Mictlantecutli and Ehecatl were also strongly intertwined in Aztec belief. One page of the pre-Columbian Mesoamerican document the Codex Gorgia features an illustration of the two gods standing back-to-back at the entrance of the underworld.

What’s more, Lewis Spence’s 1913 work Myths of Mexico and Peru makes a brief mention of a similar whistle. While it is unclear if he is directly referring to the Aztec death whistle, he does draw a connection between the instrument and the sound of wind.

Spence writes of a “most remarkable festival in connection with Tezcatlipoca,” the creator god, during which a “youth was slain who for an entire year previously had been carefully instructed in the role of victim.” The sacrifice was to assume “the name, garb, and attributes of Tezcatlipoca himself” and carry a whistle that made “a noise such as the weird wind of night makes when it hurries through the streets.”



There are also a number of Aztec beliefs relating to the dangers of crossing over into the afterlife. To prepare the deceased for this arduous journey, the whistles may have been used in rituals to ward off evil spirits or give the deceased strength for the trek.

Meanwhile, there is virtually no evidence that Aztec death whistles were used as an intimidation tactic in battles, as many online would suggest.

What The Internet Gets Wrong About Aztec Death Whistles
In recent years, at-home 3D printing technology has become more accessible than ever before, allowing people around the world to share their creations with others at little expense. Because of this technology, imitation versions of the Aztec death whistle have popped up in countless online stores.

Popularized on YouTube, these replicas have been made in all shapes and sizes and even come in Lovecraftian or otherwise horror-themed variants. And unlike the authentic whistles, many of these instruments produce a ghastly, frightening shriek.


With the popularity of Aztec death whistles on the rise, so too is speculation about their history. Many online users have circulated the theory that Aztec warriors blew into these whistles during battle to terrify their enemies. But aside from the fact that the sound the whistles make is terrifying, there seems to be no real evidence to support this.

“There’s no proof, but it’s still a possibility,” Both told How Stuff Works. “Up to this point, we haven’t excavated an individual classified as an Aztec warrior with such an instrument around their neck.”

All that experts really know about these strange, ancient whistles is that they likely had some sort of ritualistic significance. The rest is still a mystery.

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[color=#005dc2]]]> The Murky History Of The Aztec Death Whistle, The Screaming Instrument Said To Make The Most Terrifying Sound In The World

While some have theorized that ancient Mesoamericans used the Aztec death whistle to terrify their enemies during battle, experts are still unsure what exactly these skull-shaped instruments were really used for.
Aztec Death Whistle


In the late 1990s, a group of archaeologists discovered the skeleton of a human sacrifice victim within an ancient temple in Mexico City. Curiously, in each of its hands, the skeleton held a small ceramic whistle molded to look like a human skull. This discovery marked the beginning of a widespread fascination with the so-called “Aztec death whistle.”



In the years since, many have attempted to create knockoff copies of this enigmatic instrument. Content creators have taken to posting to YouTube, demonstrating the “terrifying” sound it purportedly makes. This noise has been likened to the shriek of a banshee, the howling wind, the screams of the damned, or the “wail of a thousand souls.”

These haunting cries have inspired a slew of theories about the whistles’ original purpose. Rumors have circulated online that Aztec warriors blew into these instruments during battle to strike fear into the hearts of their enemies. Others have suggested that the whistles may have been used to ward off evil spirits during human sacrifice.

Unfortunately, the truth is that experts don’t know for certain what purpose the whistles might have served — and many of the claims being circulated online seem to be unsubstantiated.



The mystery of the Aztec death whistle began in 1999. Then, a team of archaeologists led by Salvador Guillieum Arroyo were exploring the ruins of an ancient Aztec temple in Tlatelolco, Mexico City dedicated to the wind god Ehecatl.

It was here that they found the remains of the 20-year-old victim of a sacrificial ritual, clutching a pair of skull-shaped whistles.

This was not the first time such whistles had been found. In the 1970s, the historian José Luis Franco published the first analysis of similar whistles found in Mexico. Through his drawings, Franco demonstrated that most of the whistles were fashioned into the shape of either a skull or an owl, a creature associated with death in various Mexican cultures.

But before Arroyo’s 1999 discovery, no other such whistle had been found within its archaeological context.



Arroyo and his team soon realized that the ceramic whistles were meant to depict another Aztec god: Mictlantecuhtli, the god of the underworld and death. Hence, the instruments came to be known commonly as “Aztec death whistles.” They are also known as ehecachichtli, after the wind god Ehecatl.

While it was clear that these whistles had some sort of ceremonial or spiritual purpose, researchers still don’t know what the ancient Aztecs used them for. In fact, experts were not even sure what these instruments might have sounded like when played by an Aztec priest or musician

Then, in the early 2000s, a music archaeologist by the name of Arnd Adje Both received the opportunity to play the whistles.

What Does The Aztec Death Whistle Sound Like?
Arnd Adje Both had long harbored a fascination with the instruments and musical culture of pre-Columbian societies. Given his expertise, he was granted the honor of being the first person to play the Aztec death whistles Arroyo’s team had uncovered in 1999, in the hopes that he might be able to recreate, with some accuracy, their intended sound.

While the sounds produced by knockoff Aztec death whistles in recent YouTube videos are akin to bloodcurdling screams, Both produced a sound that was similar to the wind, but slightly distorted.

His interest piqued, Both then took CT scans of the death whistles to create his own replicas for further study. He later explained what he discovered in an interview with How Stuff Works.



He described the whistles as a type of “air spring” whistle, which were first invented by the Maya around 700 to 800 C.E. Air springs such as these have a rounded chamber on the inside, which creates a distorted sound, as well as an opening on the bottom that can produce various tones depending on how the player cups their hands.

Both noted that air spring whistles “don’t fit into the Western classifications of wind instruments… which means that they’re singular worldwide and only produced in pre-Columbian America.”

To this day, only a few genuine examples of death whistles have ever been found. However, one researcher, Roberto Velázquez Cabrera, has dedicated years of research to the instruments — and provided some historical context regarding their purpose.

Possible Uses For These Mysterious Instruments
Writing for the site Mexicolore in 2011, Roberto Velázquez Cabrera drew a connection between Ehecatl and Mictlantecutli that could explain, to some degree, what the ritual purpose of the death whistles could have been.

Because the 1999 whistles were found in an Aztec temple dedicated to the wind god Ehecatl, and because of the eerie, wind-like sound they purportedly make, Cabrera suggested they may have been used in rituals related to Ehecatl. If a ritual called for wind — or, at the very least, the sound of strong wind — then perhaps the instruments could have been used to evoke the wind because “a strong wind cannot simply be summoned whenever the occasion requires.”

Mictlantecutli and Ehecatl were also strongly intertwined in Aztec belief. One page of the pre-Columbian Mesoamerican document the Codex Gorgia features an illustration of the two gods standing back-to-back at the entrance of the underworld.

What’s more, Lewis Spence’s 1913 work Myths of Mexico and Peru makes a brief mention of a similar whistle. While it is unclear if he is directly referring to the Aztec death whistle, he does draw a connection between the instrument and the sound of wind.

Spence writes of a “most remarkable festival in connection with Tezcatlipoca,” the creator god, during which a “youth was slain who for an entire year previously had been carefully instructed in the role of victim.” The sacrifice was to assume “the name, garb, and attributes of Tezcatlipoca himself” and carry a whistle that made “a noise such as the weird wind of night makes when it hurries through the streets.”



There are also a number of Aztec beliefs relating to the dangers of crossing over into the afterlife. To prepare the deceased for this arduous journey, the whistles may have been used in rituals to ward off evil spirits or give the deceased strength for the trek.

Meanwhile, there is virtually no evidence that Aztec death whistles were used as an intimidation tactic in battles, as many online would suggest.

What The Internet Gets Wrong About Aztec Death Whistles
In recent years, at-home 3D printing technology has become more accessible than ever before, allowing people around the world to share their creations with others at little expense. Because of this technology, imitation versions of the Aztec death whistle have popped up in countless online stores.

Popularized on YouTube, these replicas have been made in all shapes and sizes and even come in Lovecraftian or otherwise horror-themed variants. And unlike the authentic whistles, many of these instruments produce a ghastly, frightening shriek.


With the popularity of Aztec death whistles on the rise, so too is speculation about their history. Many online users have circulated the theory that Aztec warriors blew into these whistles during battle to terrify their enemies. But aside from the fact that the sound the whistles make is terrifying, there seems to be no real evidence to support this.

“There’s no proof, but it’s still a possibility,” Both told How Stuff Works. “Up to this point, we haven’t excavated an individual classified as an Aztec warrior with such an instrument around their neck.”

All that experts really know about these strange, ancient whistles is that they likely had some sort of ritualistic significance. The rest is still a mystery.

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[color=#005dc2]]]> <![CDATA[Melted Granite outside the Second Pyramid]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1621 Tue, 19 Dec 2023 17:19:49 +0000 A51Watcher2]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1621 ]]> ]]> <![CDATA[Discoveries about The Shroud Of Turin]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1617 Sun, 17 Dec 2023 14:50:51 +0000 A51Watcher2]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1617
What I find most fascinating are the aspects of how the image was made.

The 1988 carbon dating tests have come under fire in recent times for several reasons but primarily for the sections of cloth that were chosen for testing.

The most interesting findings for me are the ones that have been done since the advent of computers.

- If you subject a 2D image to 3D software, the result is trash. However if you subject an image that is 3D based you of course get excellent results.

Researchers were astounded to discover that The Shroud image gave excellent results to 3D software. 

To date no one has been able to find how the image was imprinted on the linen.

Since the provenance of the Shroud can be traced back to at least medieval times we must consider the technology available at the time for forgers to attempt such a task.

The image does not consist of paint and only exists on the surface of the linen and does not penetrate all the way through.

Many ways of creating this image has been tried by many people in recent years and all have failed except one. -

UV light has produced very similar results.And not just an afternoon at the beach with no sunscreen.

We are talking a HUGE sudden blast of UV.

Now WHO in medieval times would have access to tech that would allow them to imprint linen with a huge blast of UV on the surface only with with a 3D digital software ready image?  

Start at 4:05 for 3D software comparisons -

 


For UV imprinting info start at 17:08 -



So the main question as I mentioned is - WHO the heck had these 2 types of tech available at hand so many ages ago to imprint this image in such a manner?]]>
What I find most fascinating are the aspects of how the image was made.

The 1988 carbon dating tests have come under fire in recent times for several reasons but primarily for the sections of cloth that were chosen for testing.

The most interesting findings for me are the ones that have been done since the advent of computers.

- If you subject a 2D image to 3D software, the result is trash. However if you subject an image that is 3D based you of course get excellent results.

Researchers were astounded to discover that The Shroud image gave excellent results to 3D software. 

To date no one has been able to find how the image was imprinted on the linen.

Since the provenance of the Shroud can be traced back to at least medieval times we must consider the technology available at the time for forgers to attempt such a task.

The image does not consist of paint and only exists on the surface of the linen and does not penetrate all the way through.

Many ways of creating this image has been tried by many people in recent years and all have failed except one. -

UV light has produced very similar results.And not just an afternoon at the beach with no sunscreen.

We are talking a HUGE sudden blast of UV.

Now WHO in medieval times would have access to tech that would allow them to imprint linen with a huge blast of UV on the surface only with with a 3D digital software ready image?  

Start at 4:05 for 3D software comparisons -

 


For UV imprinting info start at 17:08 -



So the main question as I mentioned is - WHO the heck had these 2 types of tech available at hand so many ages ago to imprint this image in such a manner?]]> <![CDATA[The Oera Linda Book & the goddess Freya]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1610 Fri, 15 Dec 2023 20:10:55 +0000 EndtheMadnessNow]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1610
The text alleges that Europe and other lands were, for a large part of their history, ruled by a succession of folk-mothers presiding over a hierarchical order of celibate priestesses dedicated to the goddess Frya, daughter of the creator god Wr-alda and Jrtha, the earth mother. The claim is also made that this Frisian civilization possessed an alphabet that was the ancestor of the Greek and Phoenician alphabets.

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Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 5.1 - The Oera Linda Book (Youtube playlist, split into 3 parts)

Here is the complete 5.5 hour The Oera Linda Audio Book with Time Index chapters.]]>
The text alleges that Europe and other lands were, for a large part of their history, ruled by a succession of folk-mothers presiding over a hierarchical order of celibate priestesses dedicated to the goddess Frya, daughter of the creator god Wr-alda and Jrtha, the earth mother. The claim is also made that this Frisian civilization possessed an alphabet that was the ancestor of the Greek and Phoenician alphabets.

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Conspiracy? Our Subverted History, Part 5.1 - The Oera Linda Book (Youtube playlist, split into 3 parts)

Here is the complete 5.5 hour The Oera Linda Audio Book with Time Index chapters.]]> <![CDATA[Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old.]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1492 Thu, 16 Nov 2023 21:06:04 +0000 BodhisattvaStyle]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1492

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The word “pyramid” immediately brings to mind the imposing triangular structures of the Egyptian desert. Despite their iconic status, these structures might not be the world’s oldest pyramids. Instead, researchers argue in a new study that this title belongs to a pyramid made of lava and buried in Indonesia. Gunung Padang is a megalithic site on a hilltop of Java island whose name means “mountain of enlightenment,” according to a study published Oct. 20 in the journal Archaeological Prospection. With its stone terraces and upright slabs, Gunung Padang was typically assumed to be an ancient cemetery or religious spot.


An interdisciplinary team of archaeologists, geophysicists and geologists decided to study Gunung Padang. They dug trenches, drilled into the mound’s center, took soil samples and scanned it with several 2D and 3D surveying tools.

Their findings revealed evidence of a buried “pyramid-like” structure with “complex, multi-layered and extensive ancient constructions,” the study said.

Gunung Padang was built in three major phases, researchers said. The first phase began when “a natural lava hill” was “meticulously sculpted” between 25000 and 14000 B.C. The site was then abandoned for millennia. Eventually, it was “deliberately buried.

Natawidjaja said that Gunung Padang’s age poses “a challenge to our current understanding of human history,” but it is not the only site to do so. He pointed to Gobekli Tepe, a settlement in modern-day Turkey that “was constructed about 11,600 years ago.”

Researchers determined Gunung Padang’s age by radiocarbon dating soil samples from the man-made layers and comparing this to the visible weathering of nearby stones, the study said.
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Once again what we think we know can all change with simply digging something out of the ground. 
This "pyramid" would predate Egyptian construction of these tombs by more than 13,000 years.

If the dating is correct then these pyramids would the oldest to date, and arguably the oldest advanced civilization known up to this point.

(More on the topic)
https://allthatsinteresting.com/gunung-padang
That's monumental and shows how little we really know.

My question is, how reliable is that method of dating?

Thought this was cool and wanted to share. I wonder what they'll dig up next.

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Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-w...rylink=cpy
The word “pyramid” immediately brings to mind the imposing triangular structures of the Egyptian desert. Despite their iconic status, these structures might not be the world’s oldest pyramids. Instead, researchers argue in a new study that this title belongs to a pyramid made of lava and buried in Indonesia. Gunung Padang is a megalithic site on a hilltop of Java island whose name means “mountain of enlightenment,” according to a study published Oct. 20 in the journal Archaeological Prospection. With its stone terraces and upright slabs, Gunung Padang was typically assumed to be an ancient cemetery or religious spot.


An interdisciplinary team of archaeologists, geophysicists and geologists decided to study Gunung Padang. They dug trenches, drilled into the mound’s center, took soil samples and scanned it with several 2D and 3D surveying tools.

Their findings revealed evidence of a buried “pyramid-like” structure with “complex, multi-layered and extensive ancient constructions,” the study said.

Gunung Padang was built in three major phases, researchers said. The first phase began when “a natural lava hill” was “meticulously sculpted” between 25000 and 14000 B.C. The site was then abandoned for millennia. Eventually, it was “deliberately buried.

Natawidjaja said that Gunung Padang’s age poses “a challenge to our current understanding of human history,” but it is not the only site to do so. He pointed to Gobekli Tepe, a settlement in modern-day Turkey that “was constructed about 11,600 years ago.”

Researchers determined Gunung Padang’s age by radiocarbon dating soil samples from the man-made layers and comparing this to the visible weathering of nearby stones, the study said.
[Image: attachment.php?aid=1585]
________________________________

Once again what we think we know can all change with simply digging something out of the ground. 
This "pyramid" would predate Egyptian construction of these tombs by more than 13,000 years.

If the dating is correct then these pyramids would the oldest to date, and arguably the oldest advanced civilization known up to this point.

(More on the topic)
https://allthatsinteresting.com/gunung-padang
That's monumental and shows how little we really know.

My question is, how reliable is that method of dating?

Thought this was cool and wanted to share. I wonder what they'll dig up next.

.jpg   arp1912-fig-0014-m.jpg (Size: 40.42 KB / Downloads: 55)

.jpg   687f40bb8f5b65948566149caebf2759.jpg (Size: 39.71 KB / Downloads: 27) ]]> <![CDATA[How to move giant heavy blocks of stone]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1415 Sat, 28 Oct 2023 09:40:30 +0000 727Sky]]> https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/showthread.php?tid=1415 Quote:This video discusses how ancient cultures were capable of moving huge blocks of stone without modern technology, using modern examples and experiments to help visualise how scaling these methods up to 100's or 1000's of people could make moving the large blocks of stone that they did extremely feasible. Logistics and technique make things possible, as well as man power, coordination, and eventually as for us, technological advancement.  ]]> Quote:This video discusses how ancient cultures were capable of moving huge blocks of stone without modern technology, using modern examples and experiments to help visualise how scaling these methods up to 100's or 1000's of people could make moving the large blocks of stone that they did extremely feasible. Logistics and technique make things possible, as well as man power, coordination, and eventually as for us, technological advancement.  ]]>