Wagner mercenaries march on Moscow to target 'evil' military top brass

[Infolurker]

Maybe the show was gangland warfare---Russian style ?


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In opposition to Putin, the Russian people are out on the streets of Rostov, chanting:

“Wagner, Wagner, Wagner”

This is far from over…

https://twitter.com/Naif_Alemad2/status/...2129774593


Rostov. Civilians taking turns to take photos with a Wagner tank.

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/16...1258448897

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

Maybe the show was gangland warfare---Russian style ?


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The only thing I have heard about this whole insanity that comes the closest to making any sense.

Only problem I have with it, is that all the so called leaders are still living and yapping.

I am afraid I would have had to pull a Keyser Söze on Wagner.

[Ninurta]

If he is pissed because Russia did not give him ammo and shells, where are the ammo and shells he is going to need to go fight Russia?

Generally, you capture THEIR supplies and work with that. You find their supply lines, cut them, and then take what you've cut off from them.

If you are being paid to fight for someone, then that someone is in control. You think they broke the contract, then go home. I know it is not they simple, but there is nothing good, fair, or glorious in war.

That's kinda what they did - hefted their balls and bats, and headed for home. Armed. That's what the ruckus was all about. In the mercenary world, however, a "broken contract" often means someone is gonna pay for breaking it. They seem to be a bit less forgiving of breaches than corporate types.

I just don't think I would trust anyone that is we willing to fight and kill people that did nothing to them, for money. I just don't think they have any moral character to stand on.

Just my personal opinion.

I'm one of those amoral bastards, as are a couple of others here. We fought and took out "bad guys" just because they WERE bad guys - and in hopes that if we did it, our kids wouldn't have to deal with it later down the road. Those folks had "done nothing" to us personally, but they did plenty to other folks along their way, and that was enough for us. And we got paid to do it.

Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries

By a. e. housman
 
These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.


Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

Not our fault that our kids are gonna have to deal with it anyhow. It wasn't for lack of effort.

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[NightskyeB4Dawn]

If he is pissed because Russia did not give him ammo and shells, where are the ammo and shells he is going to need to go fight Russia?

Generally, you capture THEIR supplies and work with that. You find their supply lines, cut them, and then take what you've cut off from them.

If you are being paid to fight for someone, then that someone is in control. You think they broke the contract, then go home. I know it is not they simple, but there is nothing good, fair, or glorious in war.

That's kinda what they did - hefted their balls and bats, and headed for home. Armed. That's what the ruckus was all about. In the mercenary world, however, a "broken contract" often means someone is gonna pay for breaking it. They seem to be a bit less forgiving of breaches than corporate types.

I just don't think I would trust anyone that is we willing to fight and kill people that did nothing to them, for money. I just don't think they have any moral character to stand on.

Just my personal opinion.

I'm one of those amoral bastards, as are a couple of others here. We fought and took out "bad guys" just because they WERE bad guys - and in hopes that if we did it, our kids wouldn't have to deal with it later down the road. Those folks had "done nothing" to us personally, but they did plenty to other folks along their way, and that was enough for us. And we got paid to do it.

Epitaph on an Army of Mercenaries

By a. e. housman
 
These, in the days when heaven was falling,
The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.


Their shoulders held the sky suspended;
They stood, and the earth's foundations stay;
What God abandoned, these defended,
And saved the sum of things for pay.

Not our fault that our kids are gonna have to deal with it anyhow. It wasn't for lack of effort.

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Your post says you did not do it just for the money, and that you were taking out bad guys, and not innocent people. So it was not you or others like you that I was talking about.

However, if you are among the ranks of those that are mercenaries, that kill solely for the sake of profit, then I stand by my statement, that they are amoral bastards, and my strategy would be to make sure they were the first that I took out.

Again just my personal opinion.

[Infolurker]

This person wins the internet today it seems.


https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1...8699305987

This is not a coup by Prigozhin. This is an inner war between the St Petersburg gang of Putin and the Moscow gang of Gerasimov and Shoigu. This is the beginning of Putin‘s election campaign to become reelected on March 17, 2024. His lapdog Prigozhin is masquerading a coup to put the blame on Gerasimov and Shoigu for losing the war against Ukraine. Prigozhin can always be scapegoated if he fails like this has happened in the past. #geopolitics #Velsig

[xuenchen]

This person wins the internet today it seems.


https://twitter.com/vtchakarova/status/1...8699305987

This is not a coup by Prigozhin. This is an inner war between the St Petersburg gang of Putin and the Moscow gang of Gerasimov and Shoigu. This is the beginning of Putin‘s election campaign to become reelected on March 17, 2024. His lapdog Prigozhin is masquerading a coup to put the blame on Gerasimov and Shoigu for losing the war against Ukraine. Prigozhin can always be scapegoated if he fails like this has happened in the past. #geopolitics #Velsig

I wonder who their PR directors are in Washington D.C. ? 

[quintessentone]

Looks like the same ole same ole bullshit war games only this one is today.

[EndtheMadnessNow]

Here's an article from a Georgian in Tibilisi, who is just as confused as I am. Something very weird about what allegedly set all this coup d'etat talk off:

    Businessman Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian military of “missile strikes on the rear camps” of the Wagner PMC, as a result of which “a huge number of fighters” of the military company died. […]

    Prigozhin, citing a decision made by the Council of Commanders PMC Wagner, stated the following in a video appeal:

    “The evil that the military leadership of the country bears must be stopped! They neglect the lives of soldiers, they forgot the word ‘justice’ … Those who destroyed our guys and the lives of many tens of thousands of Russian soldiers will be punished. I ask you not to resist [Wagner].

And of course, the reaction from the various agencies of the Russian state itself were entirely predictable:

All of Prigozhin’s claims are “entirely unfounded,” the body said in a statement, adding that the Federal Security Service (FSB) has “opened a criminal investigation on account of calling for an armed rebellion.”

“We demand the immediate end to all illegal activity,” the anti-terrorism committee stated.

Earlier, the Russian Defense Ministry accused Prigozhin of spreading falsehoods over a video circulating on social media that claimed the Russian military had attacked a base of Wagner fighters.

“A large number of our fighters died. We will decide how we will respond to this atrocity. The next step is ours,” Prigozhin said in a statement commenting on the alleged attack. He then vowed to march on Moscow and hold those responsible to account, warning the military to stay out of his way.

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Full disclosure: I have absolutely no idea what is going on. None. Maybe this is all an elaborate psyop to “trick the Ukies”. Or maybe we are entering Black Swan Mode. Or something in-between.

I do not know, and I do not pretend to know. I am relaying what I am seeing. Maybe everything will be resolved 15 minutes from now. But too late—I am going to bed.

Goodnight. Guys, please don’t do anything rash in the next 6-7 hours.

RUSSIA BRACES FOR EXTREME WEIRDNESS AS FSB-PRIGOZHIN DEATHMATCH BEGINS

[Ninurta]

I think it might all have just been a tempest in a teapot. I think all the claims of a "Russian Civil War" were entirely overblown, but folks making those claims were probably taking their cues from the Kremlin, who were all huddling in corners and pissing themselves that some kind of "insurrection" was about to happen. Kinda like Dems did during the Jan 6 "insurrection", except this one had actual weapons involved - they were just not being pointed at the government.

I've not read or seen anything from Prigozhin threatening a governmental overthrow. He seems to just be highly pissed at a couple guys in the top brass that screwed over the mercenaries. Prigozhin has stated, numerous times, that they were just gonna settle their hash on the couple of brassy fellas, and then go back to the front. He stated specifically that police and presidential powers were not going to change, that they were going to stay intact. That ain't any kinda coup or insurrection that I'm familiar with - it's just a promise to take down a couple of guys that don't know how to play nice with dangerous folk. It seems to be just a settling of accounts with a couple guys, not the government in general.

Now, some other groups seem to have taken their cues from the Kremlin, too, and started yelling "Yay! Revolution!". Some Chechens come to mind, but we all know that the Chechens have had the red-ass at Russians for quite some time, anyhow. I mean, if the Russians came in, wrecked my capitol, and killed off a bunch of my friends, I might not be too charitably disposed towards them, either. Now multiply that by about 400 years, and you start to see where the  Chechens are coming from.

Then there are some Belarusskies who are chomping at the bit. Note that Belarus is strongly supporting Russia, as allies are s'posed to do, but there are a number of Belarusskies who took it upon themselves to individually pursue foreign policy, independent of their governments wishes, and decided to roll into the Ukraine and start hosing some Russkies. I take it, then, that they may be somewhat at odds with their own government, and should realize what's gonna happen to them when they go home after the war if there is no change in the Belarussian government. So they've got a vested interest in regime change in Belarus, and they seem to have taken this as a general apocalypse sign and started talkin' shit about their own leadership, what changes are needed in their eyes, and what all they're gonna do.

So it really looks to me at the moment like Wagner just wants to settle accounts with a couple lower level functionaries (lower level that Putin, anyhow), and then go back to their war, rather than overthrow the government or anything drastic like that. Further, it looks like a few other folks, with an axe to grind, decided this was it, and they were gonna get their share of the "revolution" too, and overestimated what was happening all by their little selves. They were thinking about, and hoping for, a more general uprising than Prigozhin had in mind, I think.

Then the Kremlin panicked. Hilarity is ensuing.

Just my take on it at the moment. All these claims of an "impending Russian Civil War" are way off base - the Russian civil War started when the Ukraine seceded from Russia, in my opinion, and has been going on for a while. It just heated up recently when Mother Russia decided to do something about that pesky breakaway province and invade, and now some folks are either pissin' themselves or chomping at the bit, as their hearts lead them, over what they perceive as a general uprising that just ain't gonna happen if Wagner has to lead it.

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[727Sky]

Looks like Prigozhin has left the theater ! So who is Putin planning on burning in his military leadership if anyone ? Interesting times with these games for power... Shame so many have to die in the meantime.

[Bally002]

I think it might all have just been a tempest in a teapot. I think all the claims of a "Russian Civil War" were entirely overblown, but folks making those claims were probably taking their cues from the Kremlin, who were all huddling in corners and pissing themselves that some kind of "insurrection" was about to happen. Kinda like Dems did during the Jan 6 "insurrection", except this one had actual weapons involved - they were just not being pointed at the government.

I've not read or seen anything from Prigozhin threatening a governmental overthrow. He seems to just be highly pissed at a couple guys in the top brass that screwed over the mercenaries. 

Well another thought I had on this is that Prigozhin would probably have to fulfil the needs of his ranking members in his little army and perhaps was showing a bit of spine to his troops who I would imagine would not in the best of spirits.  A bluff, who knows.

He seemed to be demonstrating he takes no shit even from the powers in the Kremlin.  His bluff?  Testing the waters in the mother land to see how much support was there then back to work.  It may or may not of worked to his favor or to those in his army.  

Certainly got the attention of the media around the world.

Might be a tactic?

Kind regards,

Bally)

[NightskyeB4Dawn]

So what happens now?

Can let a mutineer just ride off into the sunset like nothing happened? Exile and promises of protection? Does that make sense?

I will be honest. None of this from the very beginning has made any sense to me. Something is off. I just don't get it.