Israel has bombed Iran

[Kenzo1]

Yeah , Iran had to respond to the US attack this was the safest way to do it , don't think anyone wants to see this expand ... except perhaps Israel.

The Iranian mullahs can now brag to domestic audiance that they retaliated against USA , even thought seems like nobody even got hurt    .

Yeeh maybe Trump dont want to escalate more now , even thought Israelis will probably ask him to continue ?

[Ninurta]

Ohio-class sub had to be one of the Four Horsemen of Tomahawkalypse - the USS Florida, USS Ohio, USS Michigan, or USS Georgia. Each capable of launching up to 154 Tomahawk's in 6 minutes. Serious firepower depending on warhead used.

It was the USS Georgia.

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[Ninurta]

IMO, the US should respond to the al Udeid attack by entirely obliterating the nearest Iranian military port facility to the Straits of Hormuz (to hamper Iranian mining of the straits), which I think is Bandar Abbas. Then put out a public message to Iran along the lines of "we told you that retaliation would be met with destruction. Apparently you didn't believe us. Try us again, see what happens. You have more locations we can destroy than we have locations you can hit. Keep it going, see what you have left when the smoke clears. Thank you for your attention to this matter, and have a nice day!"


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[xuenchen]

Qatar brokered a ceasefire. Iran and Israel have agreed. 

[FCD]

So now the democrats are whining about the allegation they were not notified of the US strikes on Iran.  The Trump side says they tried to notify them "but no one picked up the phone".  Don't know what the true story is there, but does it really matter?

So what if they weren't notified???  What would they have done if they were...besides run to the Iranians and tell them, while at the same time trying to make a big media stink about classified information in advance of the strikes?  No, that's what they would have done, no question about it.

[727Sky]

Good news but we will see how long it last

[Ninurta]

So now the democrats are whining about the allegation they were not notified of the US strikes on Iran.  The Trump side says they tried to notify them "but no one picked up the phone".  Don't know what the true story is there, but does it really matter?

So what if they weren't notified???  What would they have done if they were...besides run to the Iranians and tell them, while at the same time trying to make a big media stink about classified information in advance of the strikes?  No, that's what they would have done, no question about it.

That's the only way he could have done it. To notify congressional democrats, he might as well have sent a telegram to the ayatollah and said "brace yourself. We're about to bomb the shit out of your nuclear sites in 18 hours."

If you want to notify your enemy of upcoming operations, telephone, telegraph, or tell a democrat. They're more supportive of America's enemies than they are of America. Just take a look at the "demonstrations" occurring across the nation for confirmation.

With that said, I think begging for a cease-fire may have been the wrong move. Muslims live by strength and bluster, and are sure to see begging for a cease-fire as a sign of weakness. It's a propaganda coup for Iran, who are likely to now be telling their own people "See? America hammered us, and we absorbed it... and came up swinging. We hit them ONCE, and they immediately tucked their tails between their legs and begged for peace. Weak Americans!"

But I reckon it remains to be seen how it's going to actually play out. At a minimum, we should have at least buried their already enriched uranium under tons of rubble and dirt. I don't believe for a second that we got it in the strikes on Natanz and Furdow. I'm sure that it was no longer there, and I'm equally sure we know where it is, ir at least have a real good idea. US satellites have been monitoring and tracking every single vehicle in and out of those facilities for several years now, so they are bound to know when it was removed, and where it was taken to. All we really did was damage their ability to enrich more.

What will Iran do now with what they already have? You can be sure they will reconstitute their nuclear program, and acquire replacement reactors, but what will they do with their already enriched uranium they've squirreled away?

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[727Sky]

As many figured Iran violated the cease fire. They Israel/USA need to take the current Iranian leadership out and all their proxies.

[Kenzo1]

As many figured Iran violated the cease fire. They Israel/USA need to take the current Iranian leadership out and all their proxies.

There never can be true ceasefire let alone peace with the mullah regime in Iran . They should just kill em all .

[FCD]

No argument at all about the mullahs all needing a big dirt nap.  No argument at all!  

But...don't let yourself be fooled; Netanyahu wouldn't have allowed the cease fire to stand for more than a couple days either before he found an excuse to lob a few missiles at Iran.  He has been empowered by the US strikes now, and he's not going to let that momentum fade.  He's managed to drag the US into his everlasting war(s).  It's what he's been itching for for years.  Just remember, the minute the wars truly end for Israel is the day Bibi goes to jail (and for a very long time).  He knows this; his very freedom depends on keeping endless wars alive, and having the US involved is his life's dream.  I strongly support the US strike in Iran; it's long overdue, but I sincerely wish the timing could have been different so it wouldn't have empowered Netanyahu at the same time.  That will turn out to be a grave mistake I'm afraid.  The little barking dog, Netanyahu, has now been let off his leash, and now he knows he can run around and bite anyone he wants and then run and hide behind the big, bad, US.  He's been granted international immunity.  Not good.

So, the mullahs aren't the only ones who need to go.

A smarter move on Trump's part would have been to strongly condemn Netanyahu and his cronies actions first, wait some time, and then unilaterally launch a strike on Iran.  That way it wouldn't have looked like the US backing Netanyahu, which unfortunately is exactly the message which got sent to the Arab world with the timing of the US actions.  The message should have been..."Terrorists like Iran will not be allowed to have nukes.  Period."..., not... "This is payback for your actions against Israel."

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Ninurta - I have no doubt that's exactly what the democrats would have done!  At the same time they would have tried everything in their power to stop Trump from launching the strikes, including endless lawfare, thus broadcasting to the World Trump's intentions.

[Kenzo1]

No argument at all about the mullahs all needing a big dirt nap.  No argument at all!  

But...don't let yourself be fooled; Netanyahu wouldn't have allowed the cease fire to stand for more than a couple days either before he found an excuse to lob a few missiles at Iran.  He has been empowered by the US strikes now, and he's not going to let that momentum fade.  He's managed to drag the US into his everlasting war(s).  It's what he's been itching for for years.  Just remember, the minute the wars truly end for Israel is the day Bibi goes to jail (and for a very long time).  He knows this; his very freedom depends on keeping endless wars alive, and having the US involved is his life's dream.  I strongly support the US strike in Iran; it's long overdue, but I sincerely wish the timing could have been different so it wouldn't have empowered Netanyahu at the same time.  That will turn out to be a grave mistake I'm afraid.  The little barking dog, Netanyahu, has now been let off his leash, and now he knows he can run around and bite anyone he wants and then run and hide behind the big, bad, US.  He's been granted international immunity.  Not good.

So, the mullahs aren't the only ones who need to go.

A smarter move on Trump's part would have been to strongly condemn Netanyahu and his cronies actions first, wait some time, and then unilaterally launch a strike on Iran.  That way it wouldn't have looked like the US backing Netanyahu, which unfortunately is exactly the message which got sent to the Arab world with the timing of the US actions.  The message should have been..."Terrorists like Iran will not be allowed to have nukes.  Period."..., not... "This is payback for your actions against Israel."

Well the problem for Israel is , that even if Netanyahu would go away , the enemys would not . So the harsh reality would just continue as long there are fanatics like hamas , hezbollah , Irans mullahs.

I think in difficult times Israel needs strong leader ,afterall the core function of government is to protect its citizens...and They live in war time . And with who Netanyahu could really negotiate , or even write peace deal paper ? The islam jihadist cant be trusted one second .

[FCD]

No, they can't (be trusted).  And, you are precisely right, with one caveat; I don't think anyone has a problem with defending the Israeli "people" as a general rule.  I know I don't.  It's Netanyahu who is the problem (along with his cronies and the Mossad).  Netanyahu has a habit of stirring the pot...if for no other reason than to stir the pot.  Attacking the Israeli "people" is different.  

Please don't mistake my posture as one which is anti-Israel; nothing could be further from the truth.  However, in the same breath, I am definitely not pro-Netanyahu.  There's a big difference.  Hopefully this is clear in what I write, and if it's not, I've tried to make it crystal clear right here.

[Kenzo1]

No, they can't (be trusted).  And, you are precisely right, with one caveat; I don't think anyone has a problem with defending the Israeli "people" as a general rule.  I know I don't.  It's Netanyahu who is the problem (along with his cronies and the Mossad).  Netanyahu has a habit of stirring the pot...if for no other reason than to stir the pot.  Attacking the Israeli "people" is different.  

Please don't mistake my posture as one which is anti-Israel; nothing could be further from the truth.  However, in the same breath, I am definitely not pro-Netanyahu.  There's a big difference.  Hopefully this is clear in what I write, and if it's not, I've tried to make it crystal clear right here.

I dont see you anti-Israel at all  

I do not know all the details about Netanyahu , i know he lost he`s own brother long time ago in this long road againts Israel enemys , so it probably make him more hardliner ?

[FCD]

If you want to read a good book which explains all about Netanyahu, it's called "Spy Fail" by James Bamford.  Excellent read about US Intelligence failures, but it also has an extensive section on Netanyahu and how he endlessly manipulates the US government in about 1,000 different ways (with exhaustive sourcing).  I guarantee you it's a real eye-opener about who this guy really is and how he (and the Mossad) operate.

[Kenzo1]

If you want to read a good book which explains all about Netanyahu, it's called "Spy Fail" by James Bamford.  Excellent read about US Intelligence failures, but it also has an extensive section on Netanyahu and how he endlessly manipulates the US government in about 1,000 different ways (with exhaustive sourcing).  I guarantee you it's a real eye-opener about who this guy really is and how he (and the Mossad) operate.

I have too short attention span for reading books      . Im the man who never read books

[FCD]

Finally!  Trump castigates both Netanyahu and Iran for breaking ceasefire.  "Neither of the two know what the Fk they're doing!!"  Good!  It's about time Netanyahu got told to sit the fk down and stop stirring shit up!  This should have happened before the US strike on Iran too, IMO.  He'll keep doing this kind of stuff as long as he thinks he can go hide behind the US, and he will not stop.

Iran's mullahs need dead, no question about it.  But Netanyahu needs to mind his own damn business and stop breaking cease fires and truce agreements without probable cause.  Both sides seemed to think this latest ceasefire was an excuse to get a last lick in on their opponent, and they're BOTH wrong!

Neither one knows what the fk they're doing!!

[gortex]

President Donald Trump spoke ahead of departing for the NATO Summit. Trump said he is not happy with Israel and Iran after they 'both violated the ceasefire deal.'


Israel as much to blame for breaking the ceasefire as Iran , Trump not happy with Israel.

Netanyahu does not want peace.

At least 25 civilians were killed today in Gaza after IDF opened fire on a crowd waiting for an aid delivery.

[FCD]

At least 25 civilians were killed today in Gaza after IDF opened fire on a crowd waiting for an aid delivery.

For what reason?


I seem to be the vast minority here in my assessment of Netanyahu, but I stand by what I have said.  I also believe if people take the time to look they will see the same patterns of behavior.  This man simply does not want peace.  You will see.

[xuenchen]

Trump started the next strategy phase this morning with that PERFECT Q&A !!

Great act to throw everybody off kilter!!

Watch now how they setup the Iran regime fall.

Some reliable chatter has The Ayatollah and close officials already exiled to Russia.

Iran government switch over happens in July.

[gortex]

For what reason?

Just because I guess.

At least 44 people have been killed after Israeli forces and drones opened fire on people waiting for aid in two separate incidents in Gaza, according to witnesses and hospital officials.
In one of the incidents, witnesses told the Associated Press (AP) news agency that Israeli forces fired as people were advancing towards approaching aid trucks on a road south of Wadi Gaza in central Gaza.

The Awda hospital in the Nuseirat refugee camp, which treated some of the victims, confirmed 25 deaths and said another 146 people were wounded.
Among them were 62 people in a critical condition, who were transferred to other hospitals, it added.
https://news.sky.com/story/at-least-25-p...y-13387819

France condemns the Israeli fire on civilians gathered around an aid distribution center in Gaza last night that left several dozen people dead or injured.
https://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/countr...ne-24-2025