(06-24-2023, 12:43 PM)Snarl Wrote:No arguments from me as you made good points.(06-24-2023, 02:29 AM)727Sky Wrote: I do believe if I were Putin I would regret the day I started the invasion of Ukraine.
I don't see that he had much choice.
The Ukrainians were looting his land-based pipelines as badly as BLMers flash mobbing stores and pilfering everything they can grab.
Then ... America ... puts an embargo on the Nordstream1. Putin waltzes into The Ukraine the very next day.
These facts cannot be disputed. And, when they are held in context as indisputable, Putin didn't start it ... The proxy-Obama/Clinton administration did. An embargo is an act of war. And they've got a complicit media (worldwide mind you) that craftily attempts to avoid these foundational facts.
The importance of the Nordstream2 coming on-line? Well ... Putin could turn off all the overland pipes that were being diverted by The Ukrainians at-will. And that's why both pipelines are now blown all to Hell. Think of this and how the US has taken practically the whole of Europe hostage.
The only things Putin is really guilty of are: sending in 200,000 green troops who weren't supplied for war; For letting Zelensky arm Ukrainian civilians with small arms; For allowing the West to control a steady escalation of hostilities; And, for trying to capitalize on the establishment of a land bridge between Mother Russia and The Crimea.
And Putin? Putin is an old man now. How much longer does anyone think he wants to remain in the position? Everyone wants to retire at some point. Putin's just the face of the enemy. Have you noticed how that enemy's face has changed since the end of WWII? Because I remember the face of the enemy being the whole of the Soviet military back in my day. And, now, it's down to one or two men.
Good conversation in this thread. Everyone should feel free to destroy my arguments. I'm damn sure taking nothing personal.
Crimea was taken by Russia in 2014 if my memory serves me which started a long drawn out guerilla conflict that came to a head when Russia's poorly equipped and led troops invaded via Kiev .. NAZI was being tossed about as one of the reasons for the invasion.
The Russian leadership and logistic supply lines have failed the invading army at every step IMO if reports are to be believed. That is one smart move by Ukraine for destroying the supply depots and supply line of Russia.
Prigozhin was already pissed at the Russians for not supplying his field army (the Russians were not getting much supplies either) and when the Russians shelled and killed a couple of thousand Wagner troops that was the straw that broke the buddy buddy relationship that once existed. If Ukraine managed to make it look like Russia did the shelling...then that was one smooth move IMO !!
I am not there and all I know is what I see and read which is some cases is very transparent propaganda ...
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