A good point was made by MSB, about the question of invisible vs visible beings.
It would be both.
When Jesus cast out the legion of demons from tge the one man, that entire legion was in one man, and when they came out, they went into pigs. Invisibly. I don't think they actually saw the demons jump in physical form from inside a man, to inside of pigs.
Also, angels. Angels have come to us in physical form, like with Abraham, and have stood Invisibly in other parts of the scriptures. The army of angels that were hidden from the boys eyes, but Elijah could see them. Eventually the boy saw that army of angels.
So, it would be both, right? Interdimensional beings, that operate on both planes, both in physical form, as well as spiritual form.
We are limited to our physical eyes, and they do not see past that veil, into the spiritual world.
Some of those who have reached a true enlightenment can see past that veil. But they look through their spiritual eye, the third eye, to be able to see past the physical world, and into the spiritual realms.
I'm going with both. Evil spirits are the spirits of the Nephilim, according to Enoch. As well as demons being the Fallen Angels. Ghosts are our deceased that are trapped between the two realms.
Ya know, with all this advancements in technology, and the fact that we have every piece of information in the palm of our hands, and we can fly people to the Moon and back, and yet we still struggle to understand most ancient knowledge.
Funny thing is, the occult are very aware and apprised to who what and how this all works.
Yet, Christians remain in the darkness of ignorance because we aren't taught any of these ancient understandings. We, with where we are at in technology and information should fully understand these simple principles. We should know the difference between a demon and an evil spirit. We should know how to recognize it.....AND CAST IT OUT!
But......nope....we sit in church and sing songs......meanwhile most the congregation have some evil spirit, or demon, latched onto them.
I asked myself these questions:
Why is no one laying hands on and actually healing people?
Why is no one casting out demons?
Why doesn't anyone seem to have any of these "gifts."
Was the Bible a lie?
Or.....have we missed something...
This lead me to my own path of enlightenment.
The answer I found...
The Holy Spirit.
Jesus had to die to send Him to us.
The church will tell you all about Jesus the Son. Everyone knows all about Jesus. The church will tell you about the Father. Everyone knows all kinds of stuff about the father. But, somehow most Christians, when asked about their relationship with the Holy Spirit seem to fall short in their understanding or knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Almost as if that part has been mostly left out.
The Holy Spirit comes with power and authority over demons, and evil spirits.
Tongues is the least of the gifts, and it comes with a language demons understand, and have to listen to because that's how they know that those words come from God Almighty. The least of the gifts comes with the power to cast out demons. And that's the least of it! Those who can be trusted with a little, can be trusted with a lot.
Those who can't be trusted with a little, even what they have will be taken.
I have grown quite a bit in my understanding of my original question here, and after stepping away from all the noise and opinions of religion, I can spot an evil spirit in someone pretty easily. Demons are more clever and harder to spot.
Anyone know any full blown narcissistic abusers? Ever notice how good they are at public relations, and how they can fool everyone into thinking theyre this amazing person, while all the while they are abusing the shit outta you?
Well, I've known one. Everyone loved him. Thought he was this "great guy." All while he was abusing me, like a monster, every. single. day. No one believed me. He made me out to be the liar.
That's a demon. Very clever little bastards. They fool many many people with their charms.
If I believed someone was guilty of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit I wouldn't argue with them for any reason.
It would be both.
When Jesus cast out the legion of demons from tge the one man, that entire legion was in one man, and when they came out, they went into pigs. Invisibly. I don't think they actually saw the demons jump in physical form from inside a man, to inside of pigs.
Also, angels. Angels have come to us in physical form, like with Abraham, and have stood Invisibly in other parts of the scriptures. The army of angels that were hidden from the boys eyes, but Elijah could see them. Eventually the boy saw that army of angels.
So, it would be both, right? Interdimensional beings, that operate on both planes, both in physical form, as well as spiritual form.
We are limited to our physical eyes, and they do not see past that veil, into the spiritual world.
Some of those who have reached a true enlightenment can see past that veil. But they look through their spiritual eye, the third eye, to be able to see past the physical world, and into the spiritual realms.
I'm going with both. Evil spirits are the spirits of the Nephilim, according to Enoch. As well as demons being the Fallen Angels. Ghosts are our deceased that are trapped between the two realms.
Ya know, with all this advancements in technology, and the fact that we have every piece of information in the palm of our hands, and we can fly people to the Moon and back, and yet we still struggle to understand most ancient knowledge.
Funny thing is, the occult are very aware and apprised to who what and how this all works.
Yet, Christians remain in the darkness of ignorance because we aren't taught any of these ancient understandings. We, with where we are at in technology and information should fully understand these simple principles. We should know the difference between a demon and an evil spirit. We should know how to recognize it.....AND CAST IT OUT!
But......nope....we sit in church and sing songs......meanwhile most the congregation have some evil spirit, or demon, latched onto them.
I asked myself these questions:
Why is no one laying hands on and actually healing people?
Why is no one casting out demons?
Why doesn't anyone seem to have any of these "gifts."
Was the Bible a lie?
Or.....have we missed something...
This lead me to my own path of enlightenment.
The answer I found...
The Holy Spirit.
Jesus had to die to send Him to us.
The church will tell you all about Jesus the Son. Everyone knows all about Jesus. The church will tell you about the Father. Everyone knows all kinds of stuff about the father. But, somehow most Christians, when asked about their relationship with the Holy Spirit seem to fall short in their understanding or knowledge of the Holy Spirit. Almost as if that part has been mostly left out.
The Holy Spirit comes with power and authority over demons, and evil spirits.
Tongues is the least of the gifts, and it comes with a language demons understand, and have to listen to because that's how they know that those words come from God Almighty. The least of the gifts comes with the power to cast out demons. And that's the least of it! Those who can be trusted with a little, can be trusted with a lot.
Those who can't be trusted with a little, even what they have will be taken.
I have grown quite a bit in my understanding of my original question here, and after stepping away from all the noise and opinions of religion, I can spot an evil spirit in someone pretty easily. Demons are more clever and harder to spot.
Anyone know any full blown narcissistic abusers? Ever notice how good they are at public relations, and how they can fool everyone into thinking theyre this amazing person, while all the while they are abusing the shit outta you?
Well, I've known one. Everyone loved him. Thought he was this "great guy." All while he was abusing me, like a monster, every. single. day. No one believed me. He made me out to be the liar.
That's a demon. Very clever little bastards. They fool many many people with their charms.
(11-03-2024, 06:42 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(11-03-2024, 04:32 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: If speaking in tongues is guided by the Holy Spirit, then if someone were to call it "witchcraft" instead, then they'd be guilty of "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit."
Which is the only unforgivable sin. All blasphemy against the Father will be forgiven. All blasphemy against the Son will be forgiven. BUT...blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will never* be forgiven. Not in this life or the next.
Matthew 12:21-32
Be very careful who it is you listen to, readers.
I stand by what I said for two reasons: 1) the IF you mention is of extreme importance in the matter, and 2) there is a vast difference in the way the ritual is used nowadays when compared to the events recorded in Acts. One is a demonstration of God's power, the other is... not.
Whether I am right or wrong about it, is, I suppose, a matter that will be taken up in due course between me and God. on Judgement Day
I will say that I have heard "tongues" spoken in a modern church which I could oddly understand, which was a real, if long dead language, and which words should never have been spoken in God's house. I have all the confidence I need that the utterance was in no way guided by the Holy Spirit, but by a more unclean spirit. There is no way that woman is likely to have had a working knowledge of the language she was speaking well enough to actually speak it.
There have been other times "tongues" were spoken in my presence that I could NOT understand, but which nevertheless raised my hackles. I cannot say for sure whether they were "clean" or "unclean" however, because in those cases I did not understand what was being said.
I was taught how to speak "tongues" on purpose, at will and on demand, and can do so, but never do. If even I don't understand what I am saying, then there is no practical purpose to it when both I and God have a common language which we can both understand. God can understand all languages, but there are very few that I can understand, so it seems to me best to stand on common ground so that one knows what he is saying when speaking to deity. Better safe than sorry.
Another example of witchcraft in the church is this: there is a specific verse, in Isaiah I believe although it may have been Ezekiel (it's been a long time, and though I was told the specific verse to use, I have long forgotten it), which has been used for generations, long before the Gardnerian Wiccans were even a gleam in Gerald Gardner's eye. I know for fact that it has been uttered as an incantation to stop uncontrolled bleeding, and have seen it done and that it worked. Is that "witchcraft"? It has all the hallmarks - a ritual incantation performed to achieve a specific goal, and it DID work. I'll leave it to you to decide whether that was "witchcraft" or not.
Remember, witches, like all religions, have their own gods. Does it make ritual and enchanting "ok" because of it's deity, while others are "not ok" simply because of theirs? Even though the nuts and bolts of the actions performed are indistinguishable, and only the deities called upon vary? I'll leave that for the individual to decide on their own. it's not my job to decide for them. That would be a matter of conscience between them and their God.
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If I believed someone was guilty of blaspheme against the Holy Spirit I wouldn't argue with them for any reason.
They live.
We sleep.
We sleep.