(10-28-2023, 04:39 AM)Ninurta Wrote:(10-28-2023, 02:28 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I didn't mean the nuts and bolts thinker comment as an insult. I noticed your analytical mind in other posts, and I've seen the separation in how it's viewed from the analytical mind and the imaginative mindset. I'm the opposite of the purely analytical thought and tend to day dream way too much. But, I have the upmost respect for you and all my analytical thinkers out there.
I'm not offended. I was just pointing out that if I have an internal logic error, I wouldn't know it because it's internal. Therefore I have to rely on external assessments as more objective.
Quote:On the flip side. I'd have to disagree with you that those "arts" don't have any real power. The Bible is full of accounts that even the Word of God shows there is power in those arts.
Take Moses for one example. He threw his staff down and it became a snake. The magicians threw there staffs down and theirs became snakes the same as Moses' staff. Same with the Nile turning to blood. Etc.
Saul went to a medium and had Samuel's spirit raised up to have a conversation with him. And against Samuel's desire to be raised up like that.
In the New Testament Paul was walking through a town and a girl with psychic abilities kept following him around yammering on and on. The Bible says that town was reliant on her predictions ro make money. Whatever she said came true. Paul, annoyed with her turns around and cast a demon out of her.
The Bible states there is power in this magic.
A power we aren't to mess with. (I only read. I would never participate in any of that regardless)
So, I respectfully disagree with you on that.
We just have a difference of opinion on the source and routes of the power, not the power itself. It's "there", wherever there may be. The only difference that difference of opinion might make would be in what countermeasures might potentially be effective, and perhaps not even then. We are seeing the same thing, just from different angles, different perspectives.
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Thanks for clarifying that. I had misunderstood you a bit.
I'm stoked that there are different views of it throughout the thread.
And I also feel a little honored that I got you going last night. Lol I'm just glad I got yall thinking on the subject. It's a deep one..
(10-28-2023, 01:25 PM)78Caver Wrote: @ Everyone (sorry I'm still learning to use this site)
My starting point has always been, tons of stuff lives alongside us that we generally can't percieve or interact with due to our limited biological senses. It get's real stupid real quick when someone accidentally percieves what's there.
It's always a "demon" or "evil entity" or type of "evil cryptid". If the person can cite anything from the more obscure ancient cultures then "obviously" the more true it must be!
JMO most things/entities are just passing thru when you accidentally saw them & it has nothing to do with you. People being people get freaked out an all the commotion "may" cause entities to get interested in them. 99% of the fear response is just that their energy is so radically different from ours we default right to "it's evil".
JMO they lie. For all we know this is how they interact with each other normally, but we tend to be literal so from ET's to everything else "if they said it, it must be true!". Channeler's are one example. Every now & then they do warn people of a eminent danger but that's more an exception than their normal operating procedure.
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All that out of the way!
This is why I linked in the Heiser info. Finding any reliable information on the nut's & bolts of the paranormal is difficult if not impossible. I'm not arrogant enough to ignore a good source. I do prefer science avenue's but beggars can't be choosers.
(spoken respectfully)
More recently the discoveries by Dr. Garry Nolan regarding unexpected functioning of humans Basal Ganglia" & The Monroe Institutes work with Chris Bledsoe documented with MRI imaging only add's to Heisers information. Advances in IR imaging available to the public is also assisting in educating us about what's lived alongside us all this time.
This is yet another great perspective, this time from a scientific pov.
Awesome, thank you! I will check that material out as well.
And yes, beggers can't be choosers on this subject. It took me forever before I found any material that wasn't an elementary teaching of it all.
Has anyone read "The Book of Shadows?" I need this explained to me. I have found several different versions, but can't seem to find what I'm looking for, essentially, spell books with guides to rituals.
I wanted to look at actual rituals to learn how to identify signs of them. What they actually look like and all that. That was the hardest to find.
What's funny is, after spending all day on this thread yesterday I sat down and watched "Ghoulies" for the first time. It was all about conjuring spirits. A guy performs a conjuring ritual and I could tell they were (loosley) falling along with The Key of Solomon. So, Hollywood has gotten a lot of their ideas from that text.
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I'd like to add this to the thread since I am trying to see this from every angle.
This is Carl Jung speaking about "shadows" of our innerselves.
This is a psychological approach to my OP's question.