Are we in the tribulation

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I'd like to add to a thought that was already presented here about 'time.'

I have heards hundreds of interpretations involving the timeline in which all these events occur.

Our perception of time is also different from  Gods in a sense that we have an  A to Z mentality regarding time. I took a look at revelation as if all these events sort of intertwined. Not an A-Z look but imagine tye letters in the alphabet are all a single representation of the events in revelation prophecy. Now imagine throwing all the letters into the air and them landing all out of order, but still together. Our perception of time is an illusion in and of itself. So, what if all these events cannot be put into a chronological order? 

I normally don't comment in threads about Revelation or "end times". What I believe has a sever tendency to piss off modern Christians. I've seen preachers get red in the face and ball their fists up like they were about to try and whoop me for it. So I don't generally enter the discussions even in the real world. Life is too short to spend it arguing with folks over inconsequential things, so I try not to.

Therefore, I'll say a few things only once, and try to be done with it.

First, you are right about the nature of time - it's not at all like we experience it, sequentially. That's just the only way we can experience time in a mortal body.

But the subject of Revelations is even deeper and more convoluted than that. It's my understanding that Revelations is actually in seven sections, and all of those sections overlap one another, like pancakes stacked in a pile. Each one describes the same events, but from a different perspective (or from a different "level", going with the pancake analogy here) than the others. It was written that way as an "apocalypse", a "hidden work", to make it harder to tease out the actual threads. In a way, it's encrypted.

These milennialist perspectives that try to sort out a timeline from Revelations, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel primarily, are all modern inventions. They are no older than the first half of the nineteenth century. Schofield tried to flesh them out with his Bible annotations... but what does it say at the end of revelations about that sort of activity? Tim LaHaye has certainly gone a long way in popularizing Schofield's heresy.

I believe that all of the events of revelations were fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago, and were not written for our eyes or understanding. Rather, it was written for Christians in the first century, when they actually DID go through some severe persecutions and tribulations. "This generation shall not pass..."

I believe Jesus when he said the Kingdom is spiritual, not "of this world". if that is the case, if he was not lying, then of what possible use would an Earthy Millennial reign be to him? It would be an abdication of his throne in the spiritual Kingdom.

I believe that Kingdom was instituted 2000 years ago with the words "It is finished".

I won't go any further in what I believe. I figure I've already said enough to get modern Christians to throwing rocks at me.

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I have to agree with ya on all of that. That articulation of it is the only thing I've heard that actually balances out that revelation equation. 

You got me thinkin' now...

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