(10-27-2023, 07:18 PM)LogicalGraffiti Wrote: The middle east has one or more conflicts going all the time.  Even during the Trump years, we had Syria (left over from Obama)  We were involved along with Russia and Iran.  Afghanistan is another one that Trump inherited.  Yemen was at war with Saudi Arabia but we weren't involved as far as I know.

What's different in the world today is that the current administration looks like they're just itching for a war. Is it the end times?  I don't know but, right now, I'm more worried about who has come (and who is still coming) across the border from the south.  We know for a fact that not all the "refugees" are Mexicans looking for a better life.

(10-27-2023, 06:09 PM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I have been following along with what is going on with Israel and Palestinians, and I started to realize something. 

Are we going through the tribulation the Bible speaks about?

I just read that the USA has now gotten involved in the fight, with an attack of our own. We have sent troops, and are gearing up to put boots on the ground in the fight.

During the presidency of Trump the world was pretty much at peace. It seemed the whole world sort of took a break for a while (about 3 and a half years). Hell, Trump was even buddy-buddy with Kim Jun Un during this time. 
No one was "fighting." The world was pretty much at peace.

Now the last three and a half years have been a shitshow for the entire world. Russia and Ukraine are at war, now Israel and Palestinians are at war, and everyone jumping into the fight. 
The whole world will be involved soon.

Is this war in the Middle East the beginning of the end? Have we just gone through the tribulation? 

The way I see it, the world had over 3 years where everyone was pretty chill (as far as fighting battles went). Now it seems we've all been through over 3 years of hell...now the world is about to be at all-out war. 

I'm just going to go ahead and say it.
I think we may have just gone through the tribulation...

(10-28-2023, 12:35 AM)Infolurker Wrote: Not entirely complete but highlights the main chronological events believed to be accurate.

Note: Birth Pains happen before the Tribulation. Bad shit in greater frequency.

There are 3 Rapture Theories (Pre, Mid, End) so consider that a variable anytime seen in a timeline.

Ezekiel 38 war could be before or during the tribulation.

The Tribulation starts with a "Treaty Of The Many". Believed to be a big Treaty / Agreement with Israel and her neighbors.

Israel rebuilds the temple for the Antichrist to inhabit during the middle of the Tribulation.




https://www.onethingministries.net/wp/wp-content/IHOP-OTM-ET-Introductory-Series-%E2%80%93-Session-22.pdf

(10-27-2023, 06:47 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote: I am just glad that I have to deal with this insanity at the end of my life. I feel so sorry for the mess that our children are going to have to wade through. And so many of them just are not prepared.

(10-28-2023, 12:58 AM)Grace Wrote: anyone that has you looking to a Jewish nation in the desert is telling you to look in the wrong place for those signs, and if you're looking in the wrong place you'll completely miss the signs when they are here.

This topic is long - it's not something that can be put into a few short words on a forum.

(10-28-2023, 01:03 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I'd like to add to a thought that was already presented here about 'time.'

I have heards hundreds of interpretations involving the timeline in which all these events occur.

Our perception of time is also different from  Gods in a sense that we have an  A to Z mentality regarding time. I took a look at revelation as if all these events sort of intertwined. Not an A-Z look but imagine tye letters in the alphabet are all a single representation of the events in revelation prophecy. Now imagine throwing all the letters into the air and them landing all out of order, but still together. Our perception of time is an illusion in and of itself. So, what if all these events cannot be put into a chronological order? 

(10-28-2023, 06:40 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-28-2023, 01:03 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I'd like to add to a thought that was already presented here about 'time.'

I have heards hundreds of interpretations involving the timeline in which all these events occur.

Our perception of time is also different from  Gods in a sense that we have an  A to Z mentality regarding time. I took a look at revelation as if all these events sort of intertwined. Not an A-Z look but imagine tye letters in the alphabet are all a single representation of the events in revelation prophecy. Now imagine throwing all the letters into the air and them landing all out of order, but still together. Our perception of time is an illusion in and of itself. So, what if all these events cannot be put into a chronological order? 

I normally don't comment in threads about Revelation or "end times". What I believe has a sever tendency to piss off modern Christians. I've seen preachers get red in the face and ball their fists up like they were about to try and whoop me for it. So I don't generally enter the discussions even in the real world. Life is too short to spend it arguing with folks over inconsequential things, so I try not to.

Therefore, I'll say a few things only once, and try to be done with it.

First, you are right about the nature of time - it's not at all like we experience it, sequentially. That's just the only way we can experience time in a mortal body.

But the subject of Revelations is even deeper and more convoluted than that. It's my understanding that Revelations is actually in seven sections, and all of those sections overlap one another, like pancakes stacked in a pile. Each one describes the same events, but from a different perspective (or from a different "level", going with the pancake analogy here) than the others. It was written that way as an "apocalypse", a "hidden work", to make it harder to tease out the actual threads. In a way, it's encrypted.

These milennialist perspectives that try to sort out a timeline from Revelations, Isaiah, Ezekiel, and Daniel primarily, are all modern inventions. They are no older than the first half of the nineteenth century. Schofield tried to flesh them out with his Bible annotations... but what does it say at the end of revelations about that sort of activity? Tim LaHaye has certainly gone a long way in popularizing Schofield's heresy.

I believe that all of the events of revelations were fulfilled nearly 2000 years ago, and were not written for our eyes or understanding. Rather, it was written for Christians in the first century, when they actually DID go through some severe persecutions and tribulations. "This generation shall not pass..."

I believe Jesus when he said the Kingdom is spiritual, not "of this world". if that is the case, if he was not lying, then of what possible use would an Earthy Millennial reign be to him? It would be an abdication of his throne in the spiritual Kingdom.

I believe that Kingdom was instituted 2000 years ago with the words "It is finished".

I won't go any further in what I believe. I figure I've already said enough to get modern Christians to throwing rocks at me.

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(10-28-2023, 06:49 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I have to agree with ya on all of that. That articulation of it is the only thing I've heard that actually balances out that revelation equation. 

You got me thinkin' now...

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Quote:To further complicate it, Revelations was written in symbols and symbolic "code", to hide it's revelations from prying eyes who, in the first century AD, were not privy to the Christian teachings of those days. A "New Jerusalem" may not be, and is probably not, and actual physical cubic city larger than the earth flying out of the sky like a comet to obliterate what is now, physically. A "temple" may not be, and probably is not, a large cubic building on the top of Mount Moriah. The "Great Whore of Babylon" may not be, and probably is not, an actual sex worker in the Iraqi desert wastes where a great city once stood. That sort of thing.

(10-28-2023, 07:03 AM)Ninurta Wrote:

(10-28-2023, 06:49 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I have to agree with ya on all of that. That articulation of it is the only thing I've heard that actually balances out that revelation equation. 

You got me thinkin' now...

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I just added a paragraph, after you read it - because I'm a kid at heart and can't help myself - to further complicate revelations. it's this one:

Quote:To further complicate it, Revelations was written in symbols and symbolic "code", to hide it's revelations from prying eyes who, in the first century AD, were not privy to the Christian teachings of those days. A "New Jerusalem" may not be, and is probably not, and actual physical cubic city larger than the earth flying out of the sky like a comet to obliterate what is now, physically. A "temple" may not be, and probably is not, a large cubic building on the top of Mount Moriah. The "Great Whore of Babylon" may not be, and probably is not, an actual sex worker in the Iraqi desert wastes where a great city once stood. That sort of thing.

.I remember learning about that "code" Revelation was written in and why. 
That is exactly what changed my entire perception of that book. 

I kind of like how catholics put it. "It has already happened, and is happening now, and will still happen."


Something like that. 

(10-28-2023, 07:12 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: .I remember learning about that "code" Revelation was written in and why. 
That is exactly what changed my entire perception of that book. 

I kind of like how catholics put it. "It has already happened, and is happening now, and will still happen."


Something like that. 

(10-28-2023, 08:10 AM)Ninurta Wrote: This is me, not being able to shut up now that I've got started. But I'm gonna try. After I say this.

The Kingdom is not "coming", it is, already, and has been for a long time.

Being here on Earth, as a citizen of the Kingdom, is like being stranded among head hunters in the Amazon, as a citizen of the U.S. Some times, you're gonna slip into their customs as a means of survival, but that's not who you are.  Nothing that happens here really matters in the grand scheme of things. it's jsut a training ground. We are only here to learn. So world events and political strife that we get worked all up about - myself included - really doesn't matter, It's all a temporary thing.

You're not looking for a new Kingdom to be established in the Amazon among those head hunters, you're waiting on the ride back home to the place you're already a citizen, and leaving those head hunters behind in the dust.

We're just here to learn. It's not where we really live, it's not our home. If we're lucky, it never will be.





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