(10-28-2023, 01:55 AM)Ninurta Wrote:(10-28-2023, 01:21 AM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: This is perfect. I was hoping to be challenged some, and Ninurta hit it with a good shot.
A fantastic explanation, but let Mr take a guess here. You're a completely logical type thinker. A "nuts and bolts" type mind.
Am I right? Lol
I like to think I am, but it's not something I can objectively assess for myself - I mean, if I'm batshit crazy, I wouldn't really know that, would I?
So I have to rely on external assessments such as your own here.
Quote:I could peg that (assuming I'm right) because that is almost dead on of a response that I get from all left hemisphere minds. But, Ninurta, you have an open mind about though. Enough to know it's all there, but like you said, don't give it much more thought than that.
And that is vital in the balance of thought to have those minds to keep our right hemisphere minds somewhat close to earth.
So, thank you for your addition. I really liked the way you described the influence aspect of it VS an actual "possession." The way you described it was Spot on in my book.
Oh yes, it's all there, and it's all very real, just judging by experiences I've had over the years. I just try not to complicate it beyond a point that my mind can grasp. For example, I don't study any kind of rituals or symbolism, because I believe they have no power on their own - to my way of thinking, they are just focal points for power that comes from within the individual, whether originating there or being "borrowed" from or delegated by another source.
That goes for both "good" rituals and symbols, and "Bad" rituals and symbols. It doesn't matter to me whether they are Church rituals or Witches rituals, the process is the same - they are just focal points for the actual power, which comes from within rather than from without. They serve only to focus concentration for the concentration-challenged who practice them, whether "good" or "bad".
And you're welcome for the post - I sometimes allowed my addled mind to let my fingers do the talking!
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I didn't mean the nuts and bolts thinker comment as an insult. I noticed your analytical mind in other posts, and I've seen the separation in how it's viewed from the analytical mind and the imaginative mindset. I'm the opposite of the purely analytical thought and tend to day dream way too much. But, I have the upmost respect for you and all my analytical thinkers out there.
You brought up another great point. It was something I realized while I was reading the Key of Solomon. I saw how in depth it all was, and how much was involved in all of this, and I do know it does have actual power because the Bible is full of other magic performed. Even speaking with the dead was shown to be possible in the scriptures.
The days of Solomon, as we know we're before the days of Jesus. When Christ died and the Holy Spirit was given to us, we now draw our "power" from Him. The Lord. Through His Spirit. We do not need any rituals or ceremonies, or herbs, or sacrifices. Our power comes from our faith. The more faith we give to something pertaining to God the more He gives us in that faith. So, yes, I am backing your claim up on that front. Our power is God, His Grace, and most of all His Love. Love is more powerful than all those stupid symbols I looked at, or rituals I read through. They are the dust under our feet compared to the power in our faith in the Almighty. A power that all that "evil" shudders at. Had I not had my full armor on and the Word of God on my heart and as a filter for my mind I could have gotten myself into some serious trouble lurking around where I had been. I do not fear this evil I am willing to face. I believe these "arts" are growing in popularity and very soon we will see these things as a common practice. I am jumping ahead of it, plus the hunt for answers for a family member.
On the flip side. I'd have to disagree with you that those "arts" don't have any real power. The Bible is full of accounts that even the Word of God shows there is power in those arts.
Take Moses for one example. He threw his staff down and it became a snake. The magicians threw there staffs down and theirs became snakes the same as Moses' staff. Same with the Nile turning to blood. Etc.
Saul went to a medium and had Samuel's spirit raised up to have a conversation with him. And against Samuel's desire to be raised up like that.
In the New Testament Paul was walking through a town and a girl with psychic abilities kept following him around yammering on and on. The Bible says that town was reliant on her predictions ro make money. Whatever she said came true. Paul, annoyed with her turns around and cast a demon out of her.
The Bible states there is power in this magic.
A power we aren't to mess with. (I only read. I would never participate in any of that regardless)
So, I respectfully disagree with you on that.
However, I do think you pegged the difference between being "oppressed" by a demon VS being "possesed." There's a definite distinction between a spirit and a demon. There were levels to all of it.