(10-27-2023, 06:09 PM)BodhisattvaStyle Wrote: I have been following along with what is going on with Israel and Palestinians, and I started to realize something.
Are we going through the tribulation the Bible speaks about?
I just read that the USA has now gotten involved in the fight, with an attack of our own. We have sent troops, and are gearing up to put boots on the ground in the fight.
During the presidency of Trump the world was pretty much at peace. It seemed the whole world sort of took a break for a while (about 3 and a half years). Hell, Trump was even buddy-buddy with Kim Jun Un during this time.
No one was "fighting." The world was pretty much at peace.
Now the last three and a half years have been a shitshow for the entire world. Russia and Ukraine are at war, now Israel and Palestinians are at war, and everyone jumping into the fight.
The whole world will be involved soon.
Is this war in the Middle East the beginning of the end? Have we just gone through the tribulation?
The way I see it, the world had over 3 years where everyone was pretty chill (as far as fighting battles went). Now it seems we've all been through over 3 years of hell...now the world is about to be at all-out war.
I'm just going to go ahead and say it.
I think we may have just gone through the tribulation...
Throughout history Christians, from ancient times to recently, have in largest part held to an Amillennial eschatology.
The popular Hollywood eschatological position espoused by the likes of Tim Lahaye and others, while yes has periodically been espoused by individuals has also been declared heresy by almost every Christian group throughout that same history because it is inconsistent with what the Bible teaches.
All this to say: the book of Revelation is not written literally and the Tim Lahaye Hollywood version, while great at selling books and getting the authors rich, has zero understanding of the Bible and is a deception and a twisting of Scripture itself.
The various events that popular teachers who espouse Hollywood's dispensational eschatology isn't Biblical.
No one who believes in Scriptures is sitting around waiting for the Jews to build another temple - God left that place.
The Jews don't need to return to a sacrificial system in order to "usher in" the second coming of Christ - the second coming could literally happen tomorrow, or it could tarry 10,000 years. What the Jews do or don't do is quite irrelevant to HIS return. God left that place.
We are fully in the New Covenant right now. We do not wait for any earthly fulfillment to Scripture. As Jesus said, my Kingdom is not of this world.
We don't fight for dirt and Jesus already won the war. It's DONE. Finished. Complete.
While Jesus will return one day and there will be signs to that return, anyone that has you looking to a Jewish nation in the desert is telling you to look in the wrong place for those signs, and if you're looking in the wrong place you'll completely miss the signs when they are here.
This topic is long - it's not something that can be put into a few short words on a forum. But a solid Pastor who has done in depth teachings on revelation is Pastor Voddie Baucham.
I recommend going through his teachings for the traditional Christian teachings. This will help you understand more.
Pastor Voddie Baucham is a Baptist Preacher who has recently been given the position of President of the Southern Baptist Convention. He is not some off the wall guy... It's likely you've heard of him for his stance against and teaching and speaking against cultural Marxism etc.
This has been the teaching of mainstream Christianity throughout history:
He's done a whole series of teachings on the Book of Revelation if you enjoyed the above videos.
https://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?c...rtby=bible
Or you can check out some books on the Amil position. One I feel that is worthy of reading is A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding The End Times by Kim Riddlebarger
If your interested ..
I understand this isn't the popular position in this day of scepticism but it absolutely has to be considered as it's the historic reading of these passages.
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