Fluoride and you ?

[Kenzo]

i dont know what form or supplement you will have but could start just 3 or 6 mg / day and keep it at least few days, then every new week could raise the dosage.

Here's what's arrived:
Lugol's Solution 2%
Selenium 200mcg

This stuff'll be here Friday:
Vitamin B2 100mg
Vitamin B3 500mg (Niacin Inositol Hexanicotinate)
Magnesium Powder
Unrefined Sea Salt

If this stuff makes me feel ill, how long will it last if I just stop taking it?

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Watch the selenium, you don't want to get too much in one day ... about 500 mcg IIRC.

I take it for a thyroid condition.

Hypo or Hyper? I am Hypo and I couldn't figure out what the effect might be from the videos I listened to.

One thing, it will boost one's metabolism.  If one is looking to lose weight, try 200 mcg a day for a month.

Food:  Brazil nuts have varying amounts of selenium, but sometimes a single nut has a huge dose, so watch consumption of those.

Bonus!! Though, I haven't seen a Brazil nut for the past 8 years.

With such a low doses , i would not  expect dramatic worsening ,feeling bad , and iodine itself will be mostly out in 24 hours anyway after stop taking . There is no allergy to iodine, it is essential mineral .



The most important thing is taking iodine and selenium together, they work as team . Taking iodine alone would be something i would not recommend.



And in your case as hypo i`s important to go really slowly . With Lugols drops it`s easy to adjust dosage .Lugol's Solution 2% has 2.5  mg in one drop .



So you could use one drop to glass of water and use that to 2-3 days . That`s even smaller dosage is earlyer talked. We can compare then that to what is officially mentioned in Japan as iodine tolerable upper limit :

Adequacy of iodine intake in three different Japanese adult dietary patterns: a nationwide study

The median habitual iodine intake was shown to around 850 to 1000 μg/day and a review estimated that the iodine intake for Japanese individuals was 1000 to 3000 μg/day [9, 10]. According to the Dietary Reference Intakes 2015 for Japanese (DRI) [11], the tolerable upper intake level (UL) is set as 3000 μg/day in Japan, which is higher than that of other countries (e.g., the UL for American adults is 1100 μg/day

tolerable upper intake level (UL) is set as 3000 μg/day in Japan   ( 3mg )


It would be good have clinician/doctor have to check your thyroid blood values later , once the thyroid will get more iodine the values might change and might to have less medication . Best or ideal if you had a doctor with the iodine protocol . thought i never had personally doctor and taked very big dosages , and i had body toxicity issues also in general .

Iodine for Hypothyroidism: Crucial Nutrient or Harmful Toxin?

Vitamin C is also good to have with iodine protocol, but to not take them same time , i dont remember the details but vitamin C
somehow reacts with iodine making it less powerfull if taken together, no issue if take separately .

Most people`s body is starved of iodine , causing thyroid problems and other issues also. Iodine can also prevent womens breast cancer . So i really sense there is some sort of conspiracy around this stuff.....the goverment/health officials claim people dont need it much and same time World is polluted with other halogens that distrupt iodine, not to forget that brains with too much fluoride is making people dumb ugh so they want to regulate this essential mineral hmm...


Years ago i thought...nope sorry i dont buy that story....and then just started taking it.


There is rare condition , hot nodules in thyroid . It would not be good to take iodine in that case .


I may PM you link with information page later

[F2d5thCav]

@Snarl  --

Hypo I guess, my thyroid is damaged, probably as a consequence of acid reflux and stomach bacteria issues caused by years of consuming glutens and lactose that I should not have had in my diet.

The selenium compensates for thyroid low activity.  Without the selenium, I get tired easily and lack energy.

Doctor did tell me to take the selenium for three months and then go one month without it.  I guess too much can accumulate in the body (or something).

Thankfully, selenium is an easy fix so far for my thyroid issue and doesn't cost much.  I don't want to get to the point where I have to take prescription medicine.

Cheers

[Snarl]

Without the selenium, I get tired easily and lack energy.

I PMd Kenzo before checking the thread. Told him I could feel the Selenium kick my metabolism up a notch. 

Hopefully I'll sleep good tonight. I came in pretty darned bushed. Not to mention an @"dbcowboy"#133 approved Bourbon supplement.

Doctor did tell me to take the selenium for three months and then go one month without it.  I guess too much can accumulate in the body (or something).

I read that taking Selenium when you're Hypo can lead to some problems. The least of which is going really Hypo. Other times it can be the lead-in to a surgical adventure. All seems to be mitigated if you take Iodine and Selenium together.

Everything is just fine. I'm going to double my Iodine uptake tomorrow a.m. to 25mcg ... see how that goes ... then do 50mcg on Saturday, 100mcg on Sunday and top-end @ 150mcg for 90 days. I figure as long as I've got the Selenium and I can keep my kidneys flushing, I should be right in the groove for this little test. Never hurts to see what real science can be done all by one's self. If this works, I want to share what I learn with my daughter. And, if all goes really really well, maybe she'll make me a grandpa finally.

[Kenzo]

Without the selenium, I get tired easily and lack energy.

I PMd Kenzo before checking the thread. Told him I could feel the Selenium kick my metabolism up a notch. 

Hopefully I'll sleep good tonight. I came in pretty darned bushed. Not to mention an @"dbcowboy"#133 approved Bourbon supplement.

Doctor did tell me to take the selenium for three months and then go one month without it.  I guess too much can accumulate in the body (or something).

I read that taking Selenium when you're Hypo can lead to some problems. The least of which is going really Hypo. Other times it can be the lead-in to a surgical adventure. All seems to be mitigated if you take Iodine and Selenium together.

Everything is just fine. I'm going to double my Iodine uptake tomorrow a.m. to 25mcg ... see how that goes ... then do 50mcg on Saturday, 100mcg on Sunday and top-end @ 150mcg for 90 days. I figure as long as I've got the Selenium and I can keep my kidneys flushing, I should be right in the groove for this little test. Never hurts to see what real science can be done all by one's self. If this works, I want to share what I learn with my daughter. And, if all goes really really well, maybe she'll make me a grandpa finally.

I also feel that taking selenium together with iodine is what works .


In early 1900s or so people had more iodine , just because World did not yet had fluoride and bromine messing up against it, and food also most likely had more iodine .

[Snarl]

Everything is just fine. I'm going to double my Iodine uptake tomorrow a.m. to 25mcg ... see how that goes ... then do 50mcg on Saturday, 100mcg on Sunday and top-end @ 150mcg for 90 days.

In early 1900s or so people had more iodine , just because World did not yet had fluoride and bromine messing up against it, and food also most likely had more iodine .

Main effort for me is the detox process. Those high dose rates should do it and I see no reason to pussy-foot around. Easing one's way into it sounds bassackwards. LOL


Ingesting the salt has been the hardest part so far.

[Kenzo]

Everything is just fine. I'm going to double my Iodine uptake tomorrow a.m. to 25mcg ... see how that goes ... then do 50mcg on Saturday, 100mcg on Sunday and top-end @ 150mcg for 90 days.

In early 1900s or so people had more iodine , just because World did not yet had fluoride and bromine messing up against it, and food also most likely had more iodine .

Main effort for me is the detox process. Those high dose rates should do it and I see no reason to pussy-foot around. Easing one's way into it sounds bassackwards. LOL


Ingesting the salt has been the hardest part so far.

Now you’re talking  LOL

[Kenzo]

Interesting video ,guy talks about Bromide Toxicity. Unrefined sea salt & iodine also .

[Kenzo]

[Snarl]

Just in case anyone was curious: Have begun to notice a smell coming out of my lungs. Something in this detox protocol is having fun with my body chemistry. The animals seemed to notice it from day one. I noticed it about a week in.

Iodine (~125 mg) (morning)
Selenium (200 mcg) (morning and noon)
"Magical" Salt (1 tsp) (morning)
Magnesium Oxide (400 mg) (morning and evening)
Riboflavin (Vitamin B2) (100 mg) (morning)
Niacin (Vitamin B3) (500 mg) (morning)
N-Acetyl Cysteine (NAC) (1000 mg) (morning)
Liposomal Glutathione (500 mg) (morning)
Garlic (3000 mg) (morning)
Vitamin C (1000 mg) 7X daily

I was initially trying to swallow a Magnesium Powder (Lysine Glycinate), but that stuff was just too nasty to continue.

"Magical" is just my short-name for the unprocessed sea salt this protocol calls for. That much salt at one shot (I suspect) is making my body have a reaction. Could be the Iodine ... but, I believe it's the salt. Must drink a couple of glasses of water behind the salt. OMG!!

The Iodine initially leaves a kind of scratchy feeling in my throat. By the time I've choked down everything behind it, that scratchiness is just a memory.

I didn't feel like I was getting sick at the outset of this detox. Some people feel flu-like symptoms. I just get a shock to the system that lasts about an hour after ingesting all that crap. It ain't exactly pleasant ... but nothing to complain about too much. Just worth noting for the thread.

[Kenzo]

Awsome Karl


Btw some cultures in World drink daily tea with salt , yes salt ...not sugar. this old tradition is in somewhere East...China-Tibet-Kashmir- Nepal or somewhere there.


I am still waiting the stronger iodine pills ( iodoral 50mg ), and ATP cofactors ...i am going to start with 200-300mg daily dose once got them . Basicly the Lugol`s solutions is clearly the most economical , but some may find the taste litle bad lol.


Sodium and potassium balance is good to keep in mind , meaning if would take big amounts of just potassium the balance might slip from optimal, and same with taking just salt....but it really depends also what foods/drinks eat in general , some like potato have huge amounts of potassium , orange juice also .


Bromine is most likely the source of the smell , it comes from tissues and body starts removing it via urine, lungs ,skin, colon.

[Snarl]

Btw some cultures in World drink daily tea with salt , yes salt ...not sugar. this old tradition is in somewhere East...China-Tibet-Kashmir- Nepal or somewhere there.

some like potato have huge amounts of potassium , orange juice also .

There was a lady who added salt to the coffee up at Fort Monmouth. Nothing could be done to make her stop. Eventually, it was her undoing.

After the salt, I drink a full glass of water and then fill another glass and keep it nearby. At some point between the two I'll get a glass of orange juice just to moderate everything else that seems to be going on.

I always keep a two fresh gallons of water on the tractor. I'm starting to drink them now. LMAO Had one of the neighbors let me know they saw me standing on the deck taking a leak. But, I'll tell ya, you're drinking that much liquid ... it's gotta come out too.

[Kenzo]

Btw some cultures in World drink daily tea with salt , yes salt ...not sugar. this old tradition is in somewhere East...China-Tibet-Kashmir- Nepal or somewhere there.

some like potato have huge amounts of potassium , orange juice also .

There was a lady who added salt to the coffee up at Fort Monmouth. Nothing could be done to make her stop. Eventually, it was her undoing.

After the salt, I drink a full glass of water and then fill another glass and keep it nearby. At some point between the two I'll get a glass of orange juice just to moderate everything else that seems to be going on.

I always keep a two fresh gallons of water on the tractor. I'm starting to drink them now. LMAO Had one of the neighbors let me know they saw me standing on the deck taking a leak. But, I'll tell ya, you're drinking that much liquid ... it's gotta come out too.

Water / hydaration is so important .

Interestingly , some new research actually says that salt is not so bad , there has been campaign to demonize salt too much IMO . the white table salt is bad , but unrefined sea salt or himalayn salt is healthy with right daily dosages.

Does Salt Just Have Bad PR?

Not eating enough salt could raise risk of early death in some by up to 80%, study finds

Against the grain: Now doctors say too LITTLE salt can raise risk of an early death in heart failure patients by up to 80 PERCENT

Shaking up the Salt Myth: The Dangers of Salt Restriction
Coffee with salt...Yikes! 

[Snarl]

Interestingly, some new research actually says that salt is not so bad, there has been campaign to demonize salt too much IMO. The white table salt is bad, but unrefined sea salt or Himalayan salt is healthy with right daily dosages.

When I saw the salt requirement I pulled out the blood pressure machine. No significant rise or fall.

I do question white table salt being bad for you. When you think about the chemistry of it, we're looking at NaCl. If anything, one would have to question the composition of the 'unrefined' nature of the sea salt.

Wife has always rebuked me for adding table salt (even if it is Himalayan) to her cooking.  I've just always liked salty food.

[Kenzo]

Interestingly, some new research actually says that salt is not so bad, there has been campaign to demonize salt too much IMO. The white table salt is bad, but unrefined sea salt or Himalayan salt is healthy with right daily dosages.

When I saw the salt requirement I pulled out the blood pressure machine. No significant rise or fall.

I do question white table salt being bad for you. When you think about the chemistry of it, we're looking at NaCl. If anything, one would have to question the composition of the 'unrefined' nature of the sea salt.

Wife has always rebuked me for adding table salt (even if it is Himalayan) to her cooking.  I've just always liked salty food.

Yeeh you are right , NaCl is what we need. I am not sure about what all additives there may be in table salt, iodine being one additive and that is not bad, but not sure about others, i never much read about those anti-caking agents etc Anti-caking agents E535 and E536. Thought there is probably brands also that are anti-caking agent free ?



 Additives in Salt

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Now that i looked, some salts may even have sugar-like substance added ,DEXTROSE  


Why is there SUGAR in my SALT!?

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Seems like there is different variations in what is called salt


Salts (table or cooking) with the fewest additives

[Kenzo]

Two doctors discuss about salt intake






Coffee seem to cause rabid depletion of both sodium and chloride wow!  and i am back with coffee...and drinking it quite many per day.

[Snarl]

Two doctors discuss about salt intake



Coffee seem to cause rabid depletion of both sodium and chloride wow!  and i am back with coffee...and drinking it quite many per day.

Woke up Saturday and it felt like my mouth was filled with salt while I slept. Almost felt like I had been pranked.

Speaking of salt. I'm done trying to one-shot that stuff. Now mixing it with about 3X as much water and taking a swig of it "now and again". Probably takes five good slugs to get it all down. Just easier for me. I'll drink at least two full glasses of filtered water while this goes on. I point this out because it's more time consuming.

As for the Iodine: Not so carefully measuring it out anymore. Probably putting 48 drops (four squeezes on the eyedropper) into two gulps of water.

Had been getting my Vitamin C from a 500mg chewable. Too much glucose associated with that. Feet and ankles started to swell. Switched over to a 1g tablet.

@"Kenzo"#96 : Yep, I like my coffee too.  

Thanks for sharing the stuff you've picked up on. I look at all of it thoroughly.

[Kenzo]

Two doctors discuss about salt intake



Coffee seem to cause rabid depletion of both sodium and chloride wow!  and i am back with coffee...and drinking it quite many per day.

Woke up Saturday and it felt like my mouth was filled with salt while I slept. Almost felt like I had been pranked.

Speaking of salt. I'm done trying to one-shot that stuff. Now mixing it with about 3X as much water and taking a swig of it "now and again". Probably takes five good slugs to get it all down. Just easier for me. I'll drink at least two full glasses of filtered water while this goes on. I point this out because it's more time consuming.

As for the Iodine: Not so carefully measuring it out anymore. Probably putting 48 drops (four squeezes on the eyedropper) into two gulps of water.

Had been getting my Vitamin C from a 500mg chewable. Too much glucose associated with that. Feet and ankles started to swell. Switched over to a 1g tablet.

@"Kenzo"#96 : Yep, I like my coffee too.  

Thanks for sharing the stuff you've picked up on. I look at all of it thoroughly.

I guess everyone with the protocol is playing with it, finding which suit best..

At some point when the bromine levels feels lower could start lower salt IMO ...i dont know when exactly is that moment as everyone is individual with own levels and timing and depends how much iodine/day . I do remember someone writing that to get removed 1 mg of fluoride from body person need 10mg iodine....maybe it`s about same with bromine. So it`s practically impossble to remove fluoride with the silly iodine RDI intake 150mcg /day ...it has no effect to fluoride/bromine....the biogger doses do the trick however .

Darn i stil dont have the stonger iodine   as usual the local courier company dont have any hurry with the delivery..

Being familiar with iodine is big resource if would happen to get bad pathogen infection in future, like super fungus candida auris . They used Lugols solution before antibiotics .

Oh you are allready in big doses , you dont waste much time with it do you

[Kenzo]

Interesting scientific literature about iodine , this was originally published 1923 July....100 years ago .


It sound like iodine is good for treating malaria


Iodine in the Treatment of Malaria, Kala-Azar and Small-Pox


Original in PDF

[Snarl]

Thanks for sharing the stuff you've picked up on. I look at all of it thoroughly.

At some point when the bromine levels feels lower could start lower salt IMO ... I don't know when exactly is that moment as everyone is individual with own levels and timing and depends how much iodine/day.

Oh you are already in big doses, you don't waste much time with it do you

I remember you warned about starting to smell bad from detoxing bromine. I noticed it today ... in my slippers. My feet don't stink (normally). Let's hope this doesn't get any worse.

[Kenzo]

Thanks for sharing the stuff you've picked up on. I look at all of it thoroughly.

At some point when the bromine levels feels lower could start lower salt IMO ... I don't know when exactly is that moment as everyone is individual with own levels and timing and depends how much iodine/day.

Oh you are already in big doses, you don't waste much time with it do you

I remember you warned about starting to smell bad from detoxing bromine. I noticed it today ... in my slippers. My feet don't stink (normally). Let's hope this doesn't get any worse.

If the wife ask a hazmat suit you know it`s then bad


In my view, with you taking nice amount of both salt and iodine daily the excretion of both fluoride and bromine is big. So before this started you had this in the other way basicly as fluoride and bromine increase iodine excretion....now you are doing it the other way and with strong way also eliminating fluoride and bromine out from system.

In numerous studies, iodine supplementation has been found to significantly increase urinary detoxification of both fluoride and bromide,5 thus taking a significant toxic load off the thyroid. In one study, only one day after supplementing with 50mg of iodine, urinary excretion of bromide increased by nearly 50% and fluoride by 78%.6, 7

How to Remove Thyroid- + Pineal-Damaging Fluoride with Iodine


Potassium bromine has been used as a sedative in medicine . Bromine was earlyed also added to petrol when lead was also used in petrol.

Then back in the 60s they added iodine to bread....then they stopped adding iodine and replased it with bromine

Seriously...You can't make this stuff up


Then there was and still is Brominated vegetable oil used Sports drinks and citrus-flavored sodas. Mountain Dew used it to year 2020....only after petition they removed it....it`s still probably use it other drinks.

8 Foods We Eat In The U.S. That Are Banned In Other Countries





  Potassium Bromide


So large doses : central nervous system (CNS) depression ,mental deterioration , thyroid supression ..

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Banned Brominated Vegetable Oil in Popular Drinks and Soda
Written By: Gloria Tsang, RD
Last Updated on: 03/04/2021
Have you heard of brominated vegetable oil, or BVO? If you drink sports drinks like Gatorade or sodas like Mountain Dew, you might want to learn more about this controversial ingredient that’s used in American products but is banned in Japan and the European Union.

What is BVO?
BVO is a food additive made from vegetable oil with the chemical bromine bonded to the oil. It’s used in several popular sports drinks and sodas to keep the flavor well blended throughout the drink rather than floating to the top. It’s a controversial ingredient because bromine is used as a flame retardant, and because excessive consumption can cause some serious health effects.
Potential Health Effects of BVO
Most toxicology studies on BVO were conducted in the 1970s and ’80s on rats. All of the studies showed adverse effects. A 1970 UK study actually concluded “the high bromine levels found in the fat of tissues from UK children are due to the use of these compounds [brominated vegetable oils].”
A 1997 study documented a case in which a patient developed the condition of bromism from drinking at least two litres of cola every day. The patient complained of headache, fatigue, and memory loss. Neurological problems and a deteriorated nervous system eventually led to an inability to walk. This patient eventually needed hemodialysis, a treatment usually used for kidney failure.
BVO has been banned in the UK since 1970, later on in the EU, and most recently in Japan. Both the United States and Canada still approve this additive in our food. In countries where BVO is banned, natural hydrocolloids are used as a substitute.
Why is BVO in the News?
BVO has been used in soft drinks since 1931 – so why is it making headlines now? Much of the attention is due to an online petition on Change.org started by Mississippi teenager Sarah Kananagh, who was upset to find her favorite Orange Gatorade contained BVO. Sarah’s petition asking Gatorade to remove the ingredient got more than 200,000 signatures. On January 25, Gatorade announced that it would stop using BVO in its drinks, and said it was making the move in response to consumer demand.
What Drinks Contain BVO?
Gatorade may be moving to eliminate BVO, but you can still find it in many soft drinks, especially ones that are citrus flavored. It’s tricky to compile a complete list because there are so many generic brands whose ingredients are hard to track. Check the label of any soft drinks or sports drinks you’re thinking of buying to be sure.
Drinks Known to Contain BVO
Does your favorite drink contain the controversial ingredient BVO? Here is a list drinks that contain BVO currently available on the market.

• Amp Energy Drink
  
• Fanta
  
• Fresca
  
• Mountain Dew
  
• Powerade (some flavors, including Strawberry Lemonade)
  
• Squirt
  
• Sun Drop
  
• Sunkist Pineapple
  

… and, until new versions hit the shelves, some flavors of Gatorade, including Orange.
The Bottom Line
This is just one more reason to avoid sodas and sports drinks, which are also full of sugar (or artificial sweeteners) and empty calories. If you stick to natural drinks like water, tea, or coffee, you don’t need to worry about the latest chemical ingredient scare.

Gloria Tsang, RD
Gloria Tsang is the author of 5 books and the founder of HealthCastle.com, the largest online nutrition network run by registered dietitians. Her work has appeared in major national publications, and she is a regularly featured nutrition expert for media outlets across the country. The Huffington Post named her one of its Top 20 Nutrition Experts on Twitter. Gloria’s articles have appeared on various media such as Reuters, NBC & ABC affiliates, The Chicago Sun-Times, Reader’s Digest Canada, iVillage and USA Today.

Banned Brominated Vegetable Oil in Popular Drinks and Soda