Fluoride and you ?

[727Sky]

The Conspiracy Show investigates the safety and efficacy of putting fluoride in our water supply. Dentists say that putting fluoride in the water supply prevents tooth decay, but some researchers claim it's a toxic substance that causes cancer. Others claim it is being used to pacify and dumb down the general population. Who to believe? Tune in and decide for yourself.

[MisterSpock]

Toothpaste and mouthwash are good for your teeth.

I'm pretty sure they both say right on the package not to ingest.

[EndtheMadnessNow]

Toothpaste and mouthwash are good for your teeth.

I'm pretty sure they both say right on the package not to ingest.

Yes, but nobody reads labels anymore. Imprinting a skull & bones logo would just scare people off, then again in today's time it would probably only encourage ingesting.

From a few years ago... UK to begin nation-wide fluoridation of tap water

How many years, decades has this fluoride conspiracy been going on? I've seen the fluoride debate on websites from the early 90s.

[Kenzo]

No benefit from fluoride, only causes worse health .


How Fluoride in Water Actually Destroys Teeth & Bones







Fluoride Does Not Make Your Teeth More Resistant to Decay

Fluoride Does Not Make Your Teeth More Resistant to Decay
By Cynthia Rowland | February 4, 2011

By Dr. Joseph Mercola

Fluoride is a potent neurotoxin that’s been fraudulently promoted as a cure for cavities for the past five decades. Finally, we’re beginning to see the kind of research needed to hopefully reverse this great injustice…
The two recent scientific developments above deserve special notice as together they offer a compelling picture of the truth. Not only do we now have yet another study showing that fluoridated water has a significant impact on children’s IQ, but researchers have also discovered that the benefits of topical application of fluoride is highly questionable.
Folks, there are FAR better options for decreasing tooth decay than using a topical poison or ingesting a harmful industrial pollutant.

Fluoride Does Not Make Your Teeth More Resistant to Decay

According to Science Daily, Americans spend a staggering $50 billion a year on the treatment of cavities. Fluoride, long heralded as the answer to decaying teeth, can be found in a vast assortment of toothpastes, mouthwashes and professionally applied fluoride treatments. It’s even added to your drinking water for this purpose.
Now, a groundbreaking study published in the journal Langmuir has uncovered that the fluorapatite layer formed on your teeth from fluoride is a mere six nanometers thick. To understand just how thin this is, you’d need 10,000 of these layers to get the width of a strand of your hair! Scientists now question whether this ultra-thin layer can actually protect your enamel and provide any discernible benefit, considering the fact that it is quickly eliminated by simple chewing.

An Even Bigger Issue: Water Fluoridation

The conventional wisdom has been that topical application of fluoride can help strengthen your enamel and help prevent decay. If that’s untrue, then the case against water fluoridation—the ingestion of fluoride—becomes even stronger than it ever was before.
There’s just no doubt that ingesting fluoride has no beneficial effect on your teeth. In fact, there’s overwhelming evidence indicating that fluoride is a potent toxin that can cause a wide array of severe health problems once ingested.
When evaluating the issue of water fluoridation it is also important to understand that fluoride is a drug. You can’t get fluoride without a prescription. Yet it’s being added to your water supply on a mandatory basis at various levels that may or may not be safe for various individuals, especially children, the sick, and the elderly. Water fluoridation is a major assault on your freedom of choice – to be drugged or not.
Sodium fluoride, which is a far simpler toxin than the fluoride compounds used for most water fluoridation, has also been used for rat and cockroach poisons, so there is no question that it is highly toxic.
Amazingly, the United States is only one of eight countries in the entire developed world that fluoridates more than 50 percent of its water supply. (The other seven are: Australia, Colombia, Ireland, Israel, Malaysia, New Zealand and Singapore.) In Europe, Ireland is the only country that fluoridates more than 50 percent of its drinking water, and England fluoridates 10 percent. Most of mainland Europe is not fluoridated, and yet, according to World Health Organization data, their teeth are just as good, if not better than Americans’.

Studies Link Water Fluoridation to Reduced IQ in Children

The latest study linking water fluoridation to lowered IQ was announced in a December 21 news release. However, this study was recently withdrawn from publication according to Jane Schroeder (NIH/NIEHS). In an email response she explained the reason for the withdrawal as follows:

“Following Ahead of Print publication EHP learned that many of the data had been published in a previous paper (Xiang et al. 2003. Effect of fluoride in drinking water on children’s intelligence. Fluoride 36: 84-94), in violation of EHP¹s policy regarding the use of previously published material in original Research Articles. Consequently, the paper had to be withdrawn from publication.”

That said, the data published in 2003 still stands and is still valid. Dr. Connett has also stated that his comments still stand.
According to Paul Connett, director of the Fluoride Action Network:

“This is the 24th study that has found this association, but this study is stronger than the rest because the authors have controlled for key confounding variables and in addition to correlating lowered IQ with levels of fluoride in the water, the authors found a correlation between lowered IQ and fluoride levels in children’s blood.
This brings us closer to a cause and effect relationship between fluoride exposure and brain damage in children.
What is also striking is that the levels of the fluoride in the community where the lowered IQs were recorded were lower than the EPA’s so-called ‘safe’ drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 ppm and far too close for comfort to the levels used in artificial fluoridation programs (0.7 – 1.2 ppm).”

Trained as a chemist specializing in environmental chemistry, Dr. Connett is known throughout the world as a leader in the movement opposing water fluoridation because of his knowledge base. His organization, the Fluoride Action Network, contains a wealth of information on this topic.
Earlier this year I joined forces with Connett to publicize his game plan to end water fluoridation in Canada and the United States. I’ll review it again at the end of this article.
In December 2010, a second study reporting an association with exposure to fluoride and lowered IQ in children was pre-published in the Journal of Hazardous Materials.
According to the authors, “our study suggested that low levels of fluoride exposure in drinking water had negative effects on children’s intelligence and dental health and confirmed the dose–response relationships between urine fluoride and IQ scores as well as dental fluorosis.”
This study indicates a 5 point lowering in IQ as the fluoride level in drinking water went from about 0.3 ppm to 3.0 ppm.

Fluoride has Been Repeatedly Linked to Brain Damage

In addition to this study, there are 23 more from four different countries (Mexico, Iran, India and China), which indicate that even moderate exposure to fluoride lowers IQ in children.
According to Dr. Connett, there are also more than 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage, spanning all the way back to 1941. Unfortunately, most of the IQ studies have been unavailable in English, which is why the 2006 fluoride report created by the National Research Council of the National Academies contained only five of the available studies.
Still, while reviewing just 20 percent of the evidence, the panel concluded that there was a consistent and plausible link between fluoride exposure and reduced IQ. The news release quotes Tara Blank, Ph.D., the Science and Health Officer for the Fluoride Action Network as saying:

“Millions of American children are being exposed unnecessarily to this neurotoxin on a daily basis. Who in their right mind would risk lowering their child’s intelligence in order to reduce a small amount of tooth decay, for which the evidence is very weak.”

Indeed.
According to Dr. Connett,  the newest studies show that over 40 percent of American children are overexposed to fluoride. How can we know? Because they have the telltale sign of dental fluorosis. In its mildest form, dental fluorosis looks like little white specks on your teeth. But as it gets more serious, it begins affecting more of the surface of your teeth, creating yellow, brown and orange mottling.
Promoters of fluoridation scoff at these signs, saying that they’re “just cosmetic.”
But, since we already know that water fluoridation does NOT effectively reduce dental caries, this is an unnecessary cosmetic defect, and, worse yet, it is a worrisome indication that your body has been overexposed to fluoride. If it’s having a detrimental, visual effect on the surface of your teeth, you can be virtually guaranteed that it’s also damaging something else inside your body, such as your bones.

Other Fluoride-Induced Health Problems

In fact, fluoride will accumulate in your body and can, over time, lead to far more serious health concerns. There are plenty of studies showing the dangers of fluoride to your health—besides dental fluorosis—such as:

Increases lead absorption
Disrupts synthesis of collagen
Hyperactivity and/or lethargy
Muscle disorders
Brain damage, and lowered IQ
Arthritis
Dementia
Bone fractures
Lowers thyroid function
Bone cancer (osteosarcoma)
Inactivates 62 enzymes
Inhibits formation of antibodies
Genetic damage and cell death
Increases tumor and cancer rate
Disrupts immune system
Damages sperm and increases infertility
Parents Beware: Never Use Fluoridated Tap Water when Making Infant Formula

Most of the people who are educated about fluoride will avoid drinking municipal tap water that is fluoridated, and a reverse osmosis system is about the only way to rid your water of fluoride. However, there are many who simply don’t have the resources or the know-how to protect themselves and their young children. In November of 2006, the American Dental Association (ADA) sent out an email to alert its members of their recommendation to parents to not use fluoridated tap water to make infant formula. A few days later, the CDC followed suit.
But neither of them openly informed the public!
So millions of parents are still using tap water to make up formula, oblivious of the fact that the agencies that promote fluoridation in this country have issued a specific warning against using fluoridated water for this purpose. Not only that, but by fluoridating the municipal water supply, you doom many low income families to fail to protect their young children from this dangerous drug, even if they have this information.

What’s the REAL Cause of Tooth Decay?

Tooth decay is caused by acids in your mouth, typically created from sugar being metabolized by bacteria (Streptococcus mutans), and as you may already know, the number one source of calories in the United States is high fructose corn syrup.
The acid produced then attacks your enamel. Eventually the bacteria can get into the dentine, at which point tooth decay sets in. You typically don’t find dental caries in more primitive societies that do not consume these vast amounts of sugar. So, the real answer lies in your diet. Avoid excessive sugar consumption, and your dental health will improve along with the rest of your body.

How You Can Help End Water Fluoridation in Canada and the United States

The Fluoride Action Network is an absolutely phenomenal resource for further education, and they’re doing much to pressure the US government for change.
Later this year we plan on developing a massive social networking initiative to form local groups in which you can work on removing fluoride in your local community. We will have access to online tools that will help you replicate success other Canadian and American municipalities have had in removing fluoride.
Until then if you are a professional you can sign FAN’s  statement calling for an end to fluoridation worldwide now been signed by more than 3,230 professionals. We encourage all medical and science professionals to sign this statement.
Our fluoride initiative will largely focus on Canada, because 60 percent of Canada is already non-fluoridated. If we can get the rest of Canada to stop fluoridating their water, we believe the U.S. will be forced to follow. If you live in Ontario, Canada, please join the ongoing effort by contacting Diane Sprules at diane.sprules@cogeco.ca. The point-of-contact for Toronto is Aliss Terpstra. You may email her at aliss@nutrimom.ca.
We’re also going to address the two US communities: Austin, Texas and San Diego, California. If you live in Austin, Texas, you can join the effort by contacting Rae Nadler-Olenick at either: info@fluoridefreeaustin.com or luoride.info@yahoo.com, or by regular mail or telephone:
POB 7486
Austin, Texas 78713
Phone: (512) 371-3786
If you’re in San Diego, California, contact Patty Ducey-Brooks, publisher of the Presidio Sentinel at pbrooks936@aol.com .
Additionally, New York City council member Peter Vallone, Jr. introduced legislation on January 18 “prohibiting the addition of fluoride to the water supply” in New York City. The ensuing debate alone could have major significance for our efforts in the US, considering that NYC is the nation’s largest city.
Therefore, New York City is now also on our list of targeted cities in North America. The point person for this area is Carol Kopf, at the New York Coalition Opposed to Fluoridation (NYSCOF). Email her at NYSCOF@aol.com . Please contact her if you’re interested in helping with this effort.
In addition, we’re willing to support any credible activist for this cause, who is scientifically based and grounded, regardless of where you live in the US. We can provide resources to help support you in your effort to eliminate fluoride from your local community – and it really needs to be a community battle.
We’re not going to be able to pass a federal law against fluoridation. There is not going to be a Presidential mandate or even a State-wide elimination. This change will occur one community at a time.
So please, get informed; stay involved. In addition to the Fluoride Action Network, you can find a wealth of scientific literature at this link. I also highly recommend getting a copy of Dr. Connett’s new book, The Case Against Fluoride to learn more.

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Btw ,  Ireland is the only European country with a policy of mandatory water fluoridation.


And there`s now major issues there , goverment is turning against citizens ....anyone connect the dots here ?

By having enough long time people lobotomized with fluoride , it`s more easy for TPTB do their things.

[Bally002]

Unusual issue for me as we live off rainwater from tanks and creek water that is clean now.  But I understand as I had to consume water that was desalinated and at times had AVGAS or Furnace fuel oil contamination (ship) where upon I drank canned soda drinks to keep hydrated.

When we have visitors to our selection/property they generally bring bottled water from the supermarket.  They say this as they believe our water is not sanitised like town water. i.e. Frogs, bird droppings on the roof or the odd critter.  In 10 years, never really harmed us or the children but who knows the long term effect.

We are opposite.  We water up for a trip with our rainwater in bottles and use that rather than buy bottled water or use the town water which tastes really different.  I drink bourbon and whiskey with ice or water.  I can taste the difference.  Rather rain water in the glass than additives.

Collection of rain water is banned in many electorates particularly urban for health reasons.  The most ridiculous excuse I saw in semi urban areas was that the collection of rainwater into a tank interferes with the 'natural flow' of water into creeks and underground etc.  Give me a break.  (What do Dams do?.)  So you want a tank to water your garden.  You'll need and permit and payment.   It's about the money and control.

They can't do this where I am as there is no connected water and eff em.  Those poor bastards in town.

So much for a free country for the townies.

Kind regards,

Bally)

[Kenzo]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..


As you may know, to get rid harmfull halogens from body , iodine is needed  


So as time goes....iodine help flush out fluoride, bromine out .


The daily RDI , 150 micrograms a day  is ridiculous.

[Snarl]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

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Fluoride is a highly toxic substance that can cause a range of adverse health effects. Certain members of the public are at particularly high risk of harm. https://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

I believe the above to be a true statement.

[Kenzo]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

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Fluoride is a highly toxic substance that can cause a range of adverse health effects. Certain members of the public are at particularly high risk of harm. https://fluoridealert.org/issues/health/

I believe the above to be a true statement.

At first , herxheimer / DIE OFF .....i have gut issue and iodine is basicly anti-fungal / antimicrobial that helps against yeast etc so depending what issues people have the first effects differ....if someone has just fluoride and bromine the first effect is herxheimer from those,and iodine pull up those nasty poisons from tissues to blood.

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it`s this loading period .

It`s not just thyroid that benefits from iodine but all body. Iodine also help clean body from heavy metals .

Years ago, i actually taked bigger dosages, so 50mg is not yet even a big for me

[F2d5thCav]

727Sky--

Not fluoride, but remember the fluorescent lamps in so many institutional settings ?

Never liked their light, their flickering, having to change their "starters" ...

Sorry, OT, I know ...

Cheers

[Snarl]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it's this loading period.

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

We've got some bad shit in our well water: Hexavalent Chromium, Haloacetic Acids HAA5&9, Nitrates & Nitrites, and Trihalomethanes. I don't even know what that stuff is, but it's all supposed to cause cancer. I try to filter it out, but it might be a problem just showering in it. One never knows.

[Kenzo]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it's this loading period.

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

We've got some bad shit in our well water: Hexavalent Chromium, Haloacetic Acids HAA5&9, Nitrates & Nitrites, and Trihalomethanes. I don't even know what that stuff is, but it's all supposed to cause cancer. I try to filter it out, but it might be a problem just showering in it. One never knows.

Iodine was so called " universal medicine "  in the old days .  People were taking huge dosages of lugols iodine back then, for treating diseases the dosages were several grams  . 100 years ago iodine was in use before antibiotics were widely used .

Iodine Supplements and Dosages


It`s sad that people have lowered the use of iodine just because evil big brother claim you dont need it much, which is a big fat lie.

[Snarl]

Anyone else taking iodine daily ?

I started 50 mg some time ago..

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it's this loading period.

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

It's sad that people have lowered the use of iodine just because evil big brother claim you don't need it much, which is a big fat lie.

Am aware of some RDAs being far lower than are helpful, i.e. a grownup can deal with 2 grams of vitamin c several times/day. And, from first-hand experience I know this eliminates all the chronic pain I feel in my hands.

Am putting in an order for an iodine supplement ... but I probably ought'a start low. My thyroid quit right after Chernobyl So did my dad's and my daughter's ... all within 6 months of each other. Three generations? I don't think it was a coincidence. We'll see how this goes.

[Kenzo]

50mg????

What effects have you 'felt'?

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it's this loading period.

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

It's sad that people have lowered the use of iodine just because evil big brother claim you don't need it much, which is a big fat lie.

Am aware of some RDAs being far lower than are helpful, i.e. a grownup can deal with 2 grams of vitamin c several times/day. And, from first-hand experience I know this eliminates all the chronic pain I feel in my hands.

Am putting in an order for an iodine supplement ... but I probably ought'a start low. My thyroid quit right after Chernobyl So did my dad's and my daughter's ... all within 6 months of each other. Three generations? I don't think it was a coincidence. We'll see how this goes.

Good to hear Snarl

all within 6 months of each other...yeeh it wont sound a coincidence . It could also be related other halogens since they prevent
the good iodine work if just have too much of them, but could be also Chernobyl.

Let me check the proper way to start since if you have existing thyroid condition , yes i would go slow also and let body adjust with time .

I would also get selenium , it`s like mandatory when start iodine with bigger dosages....it prevents thyroid problems . Many also recommend Optimox Corporation, ATP Cofactors as together in iodine protocol ...2 b vitamins that help with iodine suplemantion.

Optimox Corporation, ATP Cofactors, 90 Tablets

I will get back with this

[Snarl]

Once i will continue this longer, months etc i expect benefits more....now it's this loading period.

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

It's sad that people have lowered the use of iodine just because evil big brother claim you don't need it much, which is a big fat lie.

Am aware of some RDAs being far lower than are helpful

I would also get selenium

I saw that and ordered some at the same time. 

[Kenzo]

50mg is 50X the recommended daily dose. Holy crap!! Do let me know how this works out for you.

It's sad that people have lowered the use of iodine just because evil big brother claim you don't need it much, which is a big fat lie.

Am aware of some RDAs being far lower than are helpful

I would also get selenium

I saw that and ordered some at the same time. 

I put this linke here as it has basic infromation about iodine Companion Nutrients . Selenium is the most important...cant really go with iodine if dont have also selenium . Some reports of side effects from iodine supplements are actually from the error of not taking selenium with it , but iodine get the blame anyway .

Companion Nutrients: The Key to Success on the Iodine Protocol

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One of the expert doctors in iodine David Brownstein talking about iodine . He mentions so called salt flushing method , it means that when taking like 1/2  to 1 teaspoon salt daily the chloride will start helping flushing bromine out , boh are halogens , and bromine toxicity is not uncommon now days . Brownstein mentions some of he`s clients start doing that like 2 weeks before starting iodine . But for me i started it after was allready taking iodine and since iodine will  mobilize both fluoride and bromine it can feel really bad....those 2 are toxic elements . Salt loading works quite fast if bromine will start go up.

[F2d5thCav]

Watch the selenium, you don't want to get too much in one day ... about 500 mcg IIRC.

I take it for a thyroid condition.

One thing, it will boost one's metabolism.  If one is looking to lose weight, try 200 mcg a day for a month.

Food:  Brazil nuts have varying amounts of selenium, but sometimes a single nut has a huge dose, so watch consumption of those.

Cheers

[Kenzo]

Watch the selenium, you don't want to get too much in one day ... about 500 mcg IIRC.

I take it for a thyroid condition.

One thing, it will boost one's metabolism.  If one is looking to lose weight, try 200 mcg a day for a month.

Food:  Brazil nuts have varying amounts of selenium, but sometimes a single nut has a huge dose, so watch consumption of those.

Cheers

Yeeh agree too much is not good either .  I think 200-300 mcg is usually enough .

There could be areas /places where food gives enough selenium .

[EndtheMadnessNow]

Key Records, the short lived official record label of the far right John Birch Society which put out some top-tier crankery. They released a mix of spoken word and jazz records about the dangers of fluoridation and other crazy propaganda. Top-tier crank aesthetic.


The Case Against Fluoridation (1961)

Many of these orgs were interconnected: Key Records released a spoken word anti-LSD record for Christian Anti-Communism Crusade member (and former FBI agent) W. Cleon Skousen.


W. Cleon Skousen – Instant Insanity Drugs (1968)




Dave Barry – Do-It-Yourself Psychiatry (1956)

[Kenzo]

Ok snarl when you are ready     i think you can start just by litle , i dont know what form or supplement you will have but could start just 3 or 6 mg / day and keep it at least few days, then every new week could raise the dosage.

Someone with hypothyroid started with 6 mg and is now at 75mg 

If i remember right, i had no patience and started taking bigger and bigger dosages but that is not necessery at all if dont want to . Once is in 12 to 25mg dayly the body will start get iodine enough and removing fluoride/bromine . Just remember the salt flush method if feel toxic or get symptoms...bromine enter blood from tissues and is on the way out but it still causes feeling of toxicity , salt ( as like Himalyan salt ) has chlorine that helps flush bromine nicely and then out .

Some opinions / theorys i heard is that handling fluoride symptoms when it start to mobilize to blood is actually easyer with big daily iodine dosages, hence because it`s like some sort of antidote / antagonizing fluoride in blood...i actually went with that route to point where i taked like 300-500mg day .....or not even measuring drops . But it`s not necessery .

And you can pulse this also by taking your choise days per week, like 5 days and then 2-3 days off . If get too uncomfortable can take days off , the main thing is that in the long run body will get enough iodine and flush out toxic halogens out ,they disrupt iodine and thyroid .

Already mentioned selenium ..

Just quite recently doctor checked my blood thyroid test and all was good .

[Snarl]

i dont know what form or supplement you will have but could start just 3 or 6 mg / day and keep it at least few days, then every new week could raise the dosage.

Here's what's arrived:
Lugol's Solution 2%
Selenium 200mcg

This stuff'll be here Friday:
Vitamin B2 100mg
Vitamin B3 500mg (Niacin Inositol Hexanicotinate)
Magnesium Powder
Unrefined Sea Salt

If this stuff makes me feel ill, how long will it last if I just stop taking it?

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Watch the selenium, you don't want to get too much in one day ... about 500 mcg IIRC.

I take it for a thyroid condition.

Hypo or Hyper? I am Hypo and I couldn't figure out what the effect might be from the videos I listened to.

One thing, it will boost one's metabolism.  If one is looking to lose weight, try 200 mcg a day for a month.

Food:  Brazil nuts have varying amounts of selenium, but sometimes a single nut has a huge dose, so watch consumption of those.

Bonus!! Though, I haven't seen a Brazil nut for the past 8 years.