Looks like the war with Iran is cooking off

[YesItsMe]

You have fucking moron secretary of war Pete Hegseth publicly  declaring that no quarter be given , which is illegal .

It was an incredibly stupid thing to proclaim.  Iran would probably just kill any Americans they capture, but with him saying that, now it's a sure thing.   He is in way over his head and never should have gotten that job.

[putnam6]

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Footage reportedly shows the moment an airstrike hit near a Quds Day march in Tehran during ongoing U.S.–Israel strikes on Iran.

Explosions were reported near Ferdowsi Square, where thousands had gathered for the regime’s annual rally.

At least one person was reported killed by shrapnel, according to Iranian state media.

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Taliban survived 20 years of U.S. pressure  ( U.S forces & bombing ) 

Today day 13 epic fury .

Just off the top of my old noodle

There were completely different battle plans against different types of combatants (Taliban tribal guerrilla forces vs. IIRG actual soldiers and troops), and it was a different time and administration.

Cheney slow-played Iraq and Afghanistan to feed Haliburton and others' contracts and enrich himself the RINOs and connected old guard Democrats

But besides all that, it's exactly alike...




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Sure , every war is different .  Iran is just helluva bigger country than Afghanistan  . 

But from everything i read so far ,i doubt U.S forces can stand long, long enough to succeed. But wars are allways unpredictable, so wait and see then.

The US forces aren't the problem, its between the fragile AF public psyche and political pressure is where the doubt will arise  

 It seems like the Iranian GP and the MEGulf States are Uncle Sam's most committed allies beyond Israel...

If this works, it's only a matter of time.  Saudis are committed   

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Two days ago I highlighted a Saudi statement saying it will reroute 75 percent of its production to its west coast, bypassing the Iranian chokehold.

If the UAE can provide enough protection to its Fujairah port (outside Hormuz), that’s further weakening of Iran’s hold.

Iraq must work on increasing its Ceyhan capacity pumping (currently only 300k of 4 million daily).

Kuwait and Qatar have no current alternatives.

But overall, these measures would mitigate an Iranian blockage of Hormuz by up to 70 percent. And those who sell will be happy because they’ll be selling at a higher market price (maybe around 75 or 80 instead of 60-65).
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Massive number of vessels are all now heading towards Saudi Arabia’s West coast to pick up crude oil, bypassing the Strait of Hormuz
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https://x.com/hahussain/status/2032554778727952489
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[Ninurta]

First off, an X post is not an order - it's just more bluster and bullshit meant for public consumption, not in the chain of command. I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. The military does not take it's orders from X posts.

With that said, I personally would not give any quarter, with or without an order. An enemy enters my sight picture, BANG! that enemy is no more. Pretty simple. I don't need orders to figure out the goal of war is to kill off the enemy until he stops whatever it is he's doing that I find objectionable.

Also, there has been a post from Trump that actually gives quarter, although it too is not a bona fide order. The post gives quarter by allowing the enemy to flee the battlefield to Masshad, where they will not, and have not been, struck. So, the CiC has countermanded Hegseth regarding quarter, at least as far as X bluster goes.

Now, in a strange twist, Masshad is actually in the Khorasan area, and Khorasan is nominally under ISIS control... and ISIS don't much care for the "takfir" Islamic regime in Tehran, so it remains to be seen just how that will play out.
 I suspect that it will eventually result in a race between ISIS and the Iranian People to finish off the regime once they are concentrated in Masshad.

So, yeah, this is just more smoke and mirrors being fed out into the propagandasphere. Like Hegseths alleged "war on Catholics", it's just a lot of obscuring smoke where there is no actual fire.

Disclaimer: I am not a JAG officer. I would not BE a JAG officer even if ever given the chance. I would avoid JAG officers like the plague. A JAG officer is a lawyer, and like most lawyers and all prosecuting attorneys, their entire reason for existence is to put a person behind bars regardless of guilt or innocence. Lawyers do not deal in "Truth", they deal in whatever argument is most likely to succeed in their chosen goal.

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[The Crying Bunny]

Another thing - I've heard now on several platforms, including this one, references to this "war" with the modifier of "illegal" attached to it, as in "illegal war". Can someone please tell me what they think makes this action "illegal"? Under whose law? What is the statute that makes it "illegal"?

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They can't say illegal alien, but they sure can say illegal war.

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Last I checked, we weren't signatories of the Geneva Convention.

Mebbe I'm wrong. . . . .

[YesItsMe]

 I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. 

I saw him say it in a briefing today.  But I haven't seen anything on actual orders.  Still it wasn't a smart thing to say.  I know you have to be tough because any compassion is seen as a sign of weakness to Muslims in the Middle East.   But saying 'no quarter' means our troops are more likely to be killed if captured  (they'd probably be killed anyways, I know).

[The Crying Bunny]

My son is active duty and deployed.  Somewhere.

So, I got skin in this game.

Glass the entire Iranian police-state and let freedom ring for the people of Iran.  Make sure that the tens of thousands of Iranians who tried to have freedom didn't die in vain.

[Ninurta]

 I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. 

I saw him say it in a briefing today.  But I haven't seen anything on actual orders.  Still it wasn't a smart thing to say.  I know you have to be tough because any compassion is seen as a sign of weakness to Muslims in the Middle East.   But saying 'no quarter' means our troops are more likely to be killed if captured  (they'd probably be killed anyways, I know).

The key phrase there is "if captured" - they would have to be captured first, and I'm not sure who would do the capturing. IRGC isn't doing much stirring outside of Iran, and we have very few, or no, "boots on the ground" inside Iran... so it's unlikely the two will meet for either side to capture the other.

If Trump is smart, he'll keep it that way. There is no need for US troops inside Iran, beyond the few coordination folks they likely already have on the ground there - SpecOps and / or the CIA Special Activities folks. A smarter move is to air-drop weapons and ammunition to the locals, and let them duke it out with the IRGC, the Basij, and all the rest of the evil-doers for their own freedom. Folks seem to appreciate freedom a little more when they gain it for themselves. it gives them a sense of accomplishment, you know?

We just up and GAVE 2 billion dollars worth of weapons and ammo to the enemy in Afghanistan during our route from there, so we should be able to do at least that for friendlies, no?

Still, if any ARE captured, I expect they won't live through the ordeal, which is all the more reason to avoid capture by any means available.

I still remember all those beheading videos from the GWOT, and would expect any captured Americans to see the same fate in this war. Moslems are not known for playing nice with their prisoners, regardless of their flavor of Islam.

My advice is to always save the last bullet for yourself, and avoid capture at all costs. Regardless of whether we grant quarter or not, they don't.

Kipling may have said it best in his classic poem "the Young British Soldier":

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
      An' go to your Gawd like a soldier.

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[putnam6]

First off, an X post is not an order - it's just more bluster and bullshit meant for public consumption, not in the chain of command. I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. The military does not take it's orders from X posts.

With that said, I personally would not give any quarter, with or without an order. An enemy enters my sight picture, BANG! that enemy is no more. Pretty simple. I don't need orders to figure out the goal of war is to kill off the enemy until he stops whatever it is he's doing that I find objectionable.

Also, there has been a post from Trump that actually gives quarter, although it too is not a bona fide order. The post gives quarter by allowing the enemy to flee the battlefield to Masshad, where they will not, and have not been, struck. So, the CiC has countermanded Hegseth regarding quarter, at least as far as X bluster goes.

Now, in a strange twist, Masshad is actually in the Khorasan area, and Khorasan is nominally under ISIS control... and ISIS don't much care for the "takfir" Islamic regime in Tehran, so it remains to be seen just how that will play out.
 I suspect that it will eventually result in a race between ISIS and the Iranian People to finish off the regime once they are concentrated in Masshad.

So, yeah, this is just more smoke and mirrors being fed out into the propagandasphere. Like Hegseths alleged "war on Catholics", it's just a lot of obscuring smoke where there is no actual fire.

Disclaimer: I am not a JAG officer. I would not BE a JAG officer even if ever given the chance. I would avoid JAG officers like the plague. A JAG officer is a lawyer, and like most lawyers and all prosecuting attorneys, their entire reason for existence is to put a person behind bars regardless of guilt or innocence. Lawyers do not deal in "Truth", they deal in whatever argument is most likely to succeed in their chosen goal.

Yes, the propaganda machines are running overtime, 

That's what happens now in wars,we are bombarded with true and false narratives from around the world instantly. 

Hell followed Desert Storm and Desert Shield on Prodigy and Compuserve boards, even AOL, 
IIRC got in an argument because my source was too conservative, US News and World Report... 

LOL took forever to download a little nugget of info.

Discord Reddit X.com are flooded with information overload 

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[Kenzo1]

First off, an X post is not an order - it's just more bluster and bullshit meant for public consumption, not in the chain of command. I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. The military does not take it's orders from X posts.

With that said, I personally would not give any quarter, with or without an order. An enemy enters my sight picture, BANG! that enemy is no more. Pretty simple. I don't need orders to figure out the goal of war is to kill off the enemy until he stops whatever it is he's doing that I find objectionable.

Also, there has been a post from Trump that actually gives quarter, although it too is not a bona fide order. The post gives quarter by allowing the enemy to flee the battlefield to Masshad, where they will not, and have not been, struck. So, the CiC has countermanded Hegseth regarding quarter, at least as far as X bluster goes.

Now, in a strange twist, Masshad is actually in the Khorasan area, and Khorasan is nominally under ISIS control... and ISIS don't much care for the "takfir" Islamic regime in Tehran, so it remains to be seen just how that will play out.
 I suspect that it will eventually result in a race between ISIS and the Iranian People to finish off the regime once they are concentrated in Masshad.

So, yeah, this is just more smoke and mirrors being fed out into the propagandasphere. Like Hegseths alleged "war on Catholics", it's just a lot of obscuring smoke where there is no actual fire.

Disclaimer: I am not a JAG officer. I would not BE a JAG officer even if ever given the chance. I would avoid JAG officers like the plague. A JAG officer is a lawyer, and like most lawyers and all prosecuting attorneys, their entire reason for existence is to put a person behind bars regardless of guilt or innocence. Lawyers do not deal in "Truth", they deal in whatever argument is most likely to succeed in their chosen goal.

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The source is video from pentagon ,  the X post are just referring to the original source , it`s verified statement from secretary of war .

It is very stupid statement , as the enemy know knows it is no rules game then, so any American prisoners if there will be is most likely equally treated , executed or worse , tortured and then killed , imagine women soldiers getting raped....

It`s not what professional army do .  The red army for example raped women all the way in Germany , because the upper staff expressed it`s all fine . Things go out of hand too easely then.

[727Sky]

Troops on the ground maybe kinda sort-of ..

[Ninurta]

The source is video from pentagon ,  the X post are just referring to the original source , it`s verified statement from secretary of war .

It is very stupid statement , as the enemy know knows it is no rules game then, so any American prisoners if there will be is most likely equally treated , executed or worse , tortured and then killed , imagine women soldiers getting raped....

It`s not what professional army do .  The red army for example raped women all the way in Germany , because the upper staff expressed it`s all fine . Things go out of hand too easely then.

As opposed to... what?

Is it your contention that fundamentalist Moslems like the Iranian Mullahs would suddenly, randomly, and spontaneously start obeying the rules of civilized warfare, after nearly 1500 years of ignoring them, but now they see a video on X and suddenly scrap the idea to become civilized? Because some guy is bloviating on a stage? all those grand plans to join the modern human race are going to get scrapped by that?

If that's the case, it just leads me back to my original premise - they've got no interest in becoming civilized. It would be a pretty weak excuse for abandoning grand plans to join civilization.

It's really a pretty sad situation. Persia had some degree of civilization for nearly as long as Mesopotamia had it, and then the Moslems invaded and took over, and those couple thousand years of civilization were thrown out the window. Then Persia - as Iran now - starts the slow climb back up to civilization, and BAM! the Ayatollah takes over again in 1979, and the whole climb was shot to hell, back to square one.

If they are eliminated, then Iran / Persia has a fighting chance to claw their way back into the modern world. If they are not eliminated, then the country stays in a stagnant doom.

It's sad to me that so many folks around the world are arguing and fighting so hard to support the murderous, authoritarian ayatollahs... who are stuck in the 7th century... and keep regular Iranians outside of the civilized world thereby.

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[angelchemuel]

As opposed to... what?

Is it your contention that fundamentalist Moslems like the Iranian Mullahs would suddenly, randomly, and spontaneously start obeying the rules of civilized warfare, after nearly 1500 years of ignoring them, but now they see a video on X and suddenly scrap the idea to become civilized? Because some guy is bloviating on a stage? all those grand plans to join the modern human race are going to get scrapped by that?

If that's the case, it just leads me back to my original premise - they've got no interest in becoming civilized. It would be a pretty weak excuse for abandoning grand plans to join civilization.

It's really a pretty sad situation. Persia had some degree of civilization for nearly as long as Mesopotamia had it, and then the Moslems invaded and took over, and those couple thousand years of civilization were thrown out the window. Then Persia - as Iran now - starts the slow climb back up to civilization, and BAM! the Ayatollah takes over again in 1979, and the whole climb was shot to hell, back to square one.

If they are eliminated, then Iran / Persia has a fighting chance to claw their way back into the modern world. If they are not eliminated, then the country stays in a stagnant doom.

It's sad to me that so many folks around the world are arguing and fighting so hard to support the murderous, authoritarian ayatollahs... who are stuck in the 7th century... and keep regular Iranians outside of the civilized world thereby.

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Most other major world religions have gone through a reformation of some sort, in other words, they have moved with the times. Islam is the one religion that hasn't, even though there was a glimer of it pre 1978/1979.
 The bigest mistake in all this, and a "putting the cart before the horse" was Trump saying "help is on the way"..... and then did nothing.
So, around 40,000 Persians rose up and were slaughtered by the Iranian regime.
Any remaining Persians will be keeping their heads down, as they are.
Trump and Pahlavi lost 40,000 people, who would still be alive to bring about the regime change against the IRGC, if he'd acted on his words. He should have mobilised before he said "help is on its way".
The 40,000 deaths are on both their heads.
Rainbows
Jane

[Ninurta]

Most other major world religions have gone through a reformation of some sort, in other words, they have moved with the times. Islam is the one religion that hasn't, even though there was a glimer of it pre 1978/1979.
 The bigest mistake in all this, and a "putting the cart before the horse" was Trump saying "help is on the way"..... and then did nothing.
So, around 40,000 Persians rose up and were slaughtered by the Iranian regime.
Any remaining Persians will be keeping their heads down, as they are.
Trump and Pahlavi lost 40,000 people, who would still be alive to bring about the regime change against the IRGC, if he'd acted on his words. He should have mobilised before he said "help is on its way".
The 40,000 deaths are on both their heads.
Rainbows
Jane

I think he was probably caught flat-footed and unprepared when the discontent boiled over and the protests started. It takes time to move a military force into a specific region if it's not already there, and I think they may have miscalculated how long it would be before they were really ready for it. Trump and Pahlavi said what they did so that the momentum of the protestors would not be lost and they would keep on the pressure, but as you say, they said it a bit too early, with too long a gap between the declaration of help and the actual help arriving.

I can't fault the Iranians for keeping their heads down now. The regime has demonstrated a huge willingness to massacre it's own people, and those people are for the most part entirely unarmed, still, and so it is a lopsided fight. For the regime, it's like shooting fish in a barrel, because fish in a barrel can neither escape nor shoot back.

Arms and ammunition need to be dropped in to the population poste haste. In perhaps another case of getting the cart before the horse, the US and Israel are providing air support now, taking out checkpoints and knots of IRGC / Basij militia in Tehran, but air support is less effective without an armed populace to provide ground pressure. Conversely, the ground pressure is less effective without air support. They sort of go hand-in-hand.

On the other hand, the IRGC is pretty much devoid of air support now on it's own, so getting arms to the people might be more effective than the air support being provided to a disarmed populace even in the absence of that air support. It would be a ground fight versus a ground fight, and whomever was the miost determined would win... and the iranians seem to be pretty determined, if they were willing to give up 40,000 of their own number even unarmed.

So, really, I think it's past time to arm them up. There is only so much that Kurdish militias can accomplish on their own, and they seem to be the only people other than ISIS who are currently armed against the regime. That armed core needs to be expanded upon sooner rather than later, or we will find ourselves in another case of the horse pushing the cart instead of pulling it.

American ground troops are not the answer. An armed Iranian population IS the answer. The only answer American ground troops provide is to the question "how do you generate a quagmire in Iran?"

I know we have 2500 US Marines steaming on their way, but that is not enough for a ground invasion - it's just enough to get a bunch of Marines killed. We already have the "troops" in place and on-site in Iran in the form of the Iranian population. All they need is a means to fight, because they've already got a reason to.

That's why the Soviets won the "revolution" in 1978/79. They just armed up the "students", then could afford to stand back and watch as those armed students took down a regime and ushered in an era of Islamic repression that has lasted 47 years.

Those same Soviets, at about the same time,, and right next door in Afghanistan also demonstrated the futility of sending in their own troops to support their "Revolution" in Afghanistan. That had the opposite effect - in Afghanistan, at the same time, the Soviet invasion generated a quagmire that the Soviets could not extract themselves from for 10 long years of death and destruction. That Soviet quagmire in Afghanistan had no small effect on the collapse of the Soviet Empire at the end of their occupation there, and the regime they supported from afar in Iran at the self-same time has outlasted the Soviet Empire by 35 years.

It's not hard maths to do, really, when we have concrete examples of what works and what doesn't in the region.

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[Kenzo1]

The source is video from pentagon ,  the X post are just referring to the original source , it`s verified statement from secretary of war .

It is very stupid statement , as the enemy know knows it is no rules game then, so any American prisoners if there will be is most likely equally treated , executed or worse , tortured and then killed , imagine women soldiers getting raped....

It`s not what professional army do .  The red army for example raped women all the way in Germany , because the upper staff expressed it`s all fine . Things go out of hand too easely then.

As opposed to... what?

Is it your contention that fundamentalist Moslems like the Iranian Mullahs would suddenly, randomly, and spontaneously start obeying the rules of civilized warfare, after nearly 1500 years of ignoring them, but now they see a video on X and suddenly scrap the idea to become civilized? Because some guy is bloviating on a stage? all those grand plans to join the modern human race are going to get scrapped by that?

If that's the case, it just leads me back to my original premise - they've got no interest in becoming civilized. It would be a pretty weak excuse for abandoning grand plans to join civilization.

It's really a pretty sad situation. Persia had some degree of civilization for nearly as long as Mesopotamia had it, and then the Moslems invaded and took over, and those couple thousand years of civilization were thrown out the window. Then Persia - as Iran now - starts the slow climb back up to civilization, and BAM! the Ayatollah takes over again in 1979, and the whole climb was shot to hell, back to square one.

If they are eliminated, then Iran / Persia has a fighting chance to claw their way back into the modern world. If they are not eliminated, then the country stays in a stagnant doom.

It's sad to me that so many folks around the world are arguing and fighting so hard to support the murderous, authoritarian ayatollahs... who are stuck in the 7th century... and keep regular Iranians outside of the civilized world thereby.

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You dont regulate your means by what the opponent does or does not. Soldiers are required to obey all lawful orders, but they have a legal and ethical obligation to refuse unlawful orders—those violating the Constitution, international law, or Geneva Conventions .

You have problem to comply with orders , then stay out military , it`s wrong place to be .

In the post WW2 Nurenberg trials , people who claimed they just followed orders were sentenced , if acted against laws .

Good example from modern days are Russian soldiers in Ukraine , filthy savages doing war crimes as like business as usuall , disgusting POS .

Hegseth Said “No Quarter.” Here’s Why That’s Illegal in the Law of War.

If for example American f-35 pilot wll be POW in Midle East region ,  i doubt he much agrees Hegseth No Quarter line .This policy can back fire badly to own troops .

[YesItsMe]

If for example American f-35 pilot wll be POW in Midle East region ,  i doubt he much agrees Hegseth No Quarter line .This policy can back fire badly to own troops .

I don't know if it's policy or if it was just Hegseth bloviating for the cameras and to bluster to sound confident in war.   His mouth may have said more than what official policy is.   I would think so.   

I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to say because it can easily cause blowback for any of our troops who go down in enemy territory during this conflict.   Iran would probably kill them anyways because they have the mentality of religious maniacs of the year 700AD, but Hegseths statement will make their deaths a sure thing.

[Kenzo1]

If for example American f-35 pilot wll be POW in Midle East region ,  i doubt he much agrees Hegseth No Quarter line .This policy can back fire badly to own troops .

I don't know if it's policy or if it was just Hegseth bloviating for the cameras and to bluster to sound confident in war.   His mouth may have said more than what official policy is.   I would think so.   

I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to say because it can easily cause blowback for any of our troops who go down in enemy territory during this conflict.   Iran would probably kill them anyways because they have the mentality of religious maniacs of the year 700AD, but Hegseths statement will make their deaths a sure thing.

Wel in any case , it`s mind blowing he talks like that . And as far i understand the U.S system ,secretary of war is in chain of command , and can can give lawful orders to any and all active US military members .

But the damage comes  to publicly say that because foreign adversaries will notice it , even without specifically give order .

IMO U.S military can do better , than what Hegsets suggested .  There has to be difference between Mexican drug cartell style and the corps .

[Ninurta]

I'm just going to leave this laying here. Watch t if you want, don't watch it if you don't want to, pick it apart if you can - it just is what ti is, ground reporting mostly from inside Iran.




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[putnam6]

If for example American f-35 pilot wll be POW in Midle East region ,  i doubt he much agrees Hegseth No Quarter line .This policy can back fire badly to own troops .

I don't know if it's policy or if it was just Hegseth bloviating for the cameras and to bluster to sound confident in war.   His mouth may have said more than what official policy is.   I would think so.   

I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to say because it can easily cause blowback for any of our troops who go down in enemy territory during this conflict.   Iran would probably kill them anyways because they have the mentality of religious maniacs of the year 700AD, but Hegseths statement will make their deaths a sure thing.

Wel in any case , it`s mind blowing he talks like that . And as far i understand the U.S system ,secretary of war is in chain of command , and can can give lawful orders to any and all active US military members .

But the damage comes  to publicly say that because foreign adversaries will notice it , even without specifically give order .

IMO U.S military can do better , than what Hegsets suggested .  There has to be difference between Mexican drug cartell style and the corps .

This is the virtual definition of a tempest in a teacup; these azzholes gave no quarter and slaughtered innocent men and women for protesting 

If this is what we are worrying about during wartime when Uncle Sammy is fully engaged, it must be going extremely well..

but I grew up watching our POW's being paraded around in Vietnam, Iraq etc. 

War is hell, I don't like what Hegseth said either; I feel it was unnecessary. 


However, besides being war bluster, he could have been messaging the leaderless remnants of IIRG. 

Surrender NOW is the only option to guarantee your future survival. Once a cruise missile or drone has you targeted, it's gonna be too late to wave the white flag.



Sammy will be raining hellfire regardless...rightfully so and every Iranian prisoner will likely have a better experience as a POW than any US or Israeli serviceman

BECAUSE....

There is credible evidence that Iran has violated provisions of the Geneva Conventions on multiple occasions.
Iran (the Islamic Republic of Iran) is a party to the four 1949 Geneva Conventions, which set out rules for the protection of victims in armed conflicts, including the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs), civilians, and the wounded/sick. Violations have been documented primarily in the context of international armed conflicts and related obligations.
Key documented cases include:

• During the Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988): The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) issued memoranda in 1983 and 1984 highlighting grave and repeated breaches of international humanitarian law by both sides, including Iran. Specific issues with Iranian treatment of Iraqi POWs included:
  
  • Obstructing ICRC access to many POW camps.
    
  • Subjecting POWs to ideological/political pressure, intimidation, outrages against honor, and forced participation in demonstrations (violating Third Geneva Convention protections for humane treatment and dignity).
    
  • Ill-treatment, brutal suppression of disorders in camps (causing deaths and injuries).
    
  • Summary executions of captured soldiers.
    
  • Deportation of tens of thousands of Iranian civilians (in areas under Iraqi control) to Iraq, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    
• A 1985 UN report also concluded that both Iran and Iraq mistreated each other's POWs in violation of the Geneva Conventions.
  
• 1986 incident with U.S. Navy personnel: In 2016, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) detained American sailors, photographed them in captivity, and broadcast the images for propaganda purposes. This was widely described as a violation of the Third Geneva Convention (Article 13), which prohibits exposing POWs to insults, public curiosity, or exploitation.
  
• Other contexts: While most accusations against Iran focus on internal human rights abuses (e.g., torture, unfair trials, executions) or non-international conflicts/protests (which fall more under human rights law or Common Article 3), these do not always directly trigger full Geneva Conventions application unless linked to an armed conflict. Recent (2025–2026) regional hostilities involving Iran have seen mutual accusations of violations, but sources primarily attribute breaches (e.g., targeting civilians or nuclear facilities) to adversaries like the U.S. and Israel, not Iran in those specific reports.
  

Iran has asserted respect for international humanitarian law in UN submissions, but independent sources (ICRC, UN reports, human rights organizations) have consistently documented breaches, particularly regarding POW treatment during the Iran-Iraq War and isolated incidents involving detained foreigners.
In summary, yes—Iran has been credibly accused and found to have violated the Geneva Conventions, especially in wartime POW handling and related protections. These are not isolated claims but come from neutral bodies like the ICRC and UN missions.

 

[David64]

First off, an X post is not an order - it's just more bluster and bullshit meant for public consumption, not in the chain of command. I've seen no confirmation that any "no quarters" orders have actually been given. The military does not take it's orders from X posts.

With that said, I personally would not give any quarter, with or without an order. An enemy enters my sight picture, BANG! that enemy is no more. Pretty simple. I don't need orders to figure out the goal of war is to kill off the enemy until he stops whatever it is he's doing that I find objectionable.

Also, there has been a post from Trump that actually gives quarter, although it too is not a bona fide order. The post gives quarter by allowing the enemy to flee the battlefield to Masshad, where they will not, and have not been, struck. So, the CiC has countermanded Hegseth regarding quarter, at least as far as X bluster goes.

Now, in a strange twist, Masshad is actually in the Khorasan area, and Khorasan is nominally under ISIS control... and ISIS don't much care for the "takfir" Islamic regime in Tehran, so it remains to be seen just how that will play out.
 I suspect that it will eventually result in a race between ISIS and the Iranian People to finish off the regime once they are concentrated in Masshad.

So, yeah, this is just more smoke and mirrors being fed out into the propagandasphere. Like Hegseths alleged "war on Catholics", it's just a lot of obscuring smoke where there is no actual fire.

Disclaimer: I am not a JAG officer. I would not BE a JAG officer even if ever given the chance. I would avoid JAG officers like the plague. A JAG officer is a lawyer, and like most lawyers and all prosecuting attorneys, their entire reason for existence is to put a person behind bars regardless of guilt or innocence. Lawyers do not deal in "Truth", they deal in whatever argument is most likely to succeed in their chosen goal.

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The source is video from pentagon ,  the X post are just referring to the original source , it`s verified statement from secretary of war .

It is very stupid statement , as the enemy know knows it is no rules game then, so any American prisoners if there will be is most likely equally treated , executed or worse , tortured and then killed , imagine women soldiers getting raped....

It`s not what professional army do .  The red army for example raped women all the way in Germany , because the upper staff expressed it`s all fine . Things go out of hand too easely then.

It's BEEN a no rules game...or did you miss all those beheadings ? Did you think Iran's military were playing by some Marquess of Queensberry rules ?

"Oh I say ol' chap that was most rude. No crumpet with your tea"

FFS.

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If for example American f-35 pilot wll be POW in Midle East region ,  i doubt he much agrees Hegseth No Quarter line .This policy can back fire badly to own troops .

I don't know if it's policy or if it was just Hegseth bloviating for the cameras and to bluster to sound confident in war.   His mouth may have said more than what official policy is.   I would think so.   

I agree with you that it was a stupid thing to say because it can easily cause blowback for any of our troops who go down in enemy territory during this conflict.   Iran would probably kill them anyways because they have the mentality of religious maniacs of the year 700AD, but Hegseths statement will make their deaths a sure thing.

Wel in any case , it`s mind blowing he talks like that . And as far i understand the U.S system ,secretary of war is in chain of command , and can can give lawful orders to any and all active US military members .

But the damage comes  to publicly say that because foreign adversaries will notice it , even without specifically give order .

IMO U.S military can do better , than what Hegsets suggested .  There has to be difference between Mexican drug cartell style and the corps .

This is the virtual definition of a tempest in a teacup; these azzholes gave no quarter and slaughtered innocent men and women for protesting 

If this is what we are worrying about during wartime when Uncle Sammy is fully engaged, it must be going extremely well..

but I grew up watching our POW's being paraded around in Vietnam, Iraq etc. 

War is hell, I don't like what Hegseth said either; I feel it was unnecessary. 


However, besides being war bluster, he could have been messaging the leaderless remnants of IIRG. 

Surrender NOW is the only option to guarantee your future survival. Once a cruise missile or drone has you targeted, it's gonna be too late to wave the white flag.



Sammy will be raining hellfire regardless...rightfully so and every Iranian prisoner will likely have a better experience as a POW than any US or Israeli serviceman

BECAUSE....

There is credible evidence that Iran has violated provisions of the Geneva Conventions on multiple occasions.
Iran (the Islamic Republic of Iran) is a party to the four 1949 Geneva Conventions, which set out rules for the protection of victims in armed conflicts, including the treatment of prisoners of war (POWs), civilians, and the wounded/sick. Violations have been documented primarily in the context of international armed conflicts and related obligations.
Key documented cases include:

• During the Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988): The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) issued memoranda in 1983 and 1984 highlighting grave and repeated breaches of international humanitarian law by both sides, including Iran. Specific issues with Iranian treatment of Iraqi POWs included:
  
  • Obstructing ICRC access to many POW camps.
    
  • Subjecting POWs to ideological/political pressure, intimidation, outrages against honor, and forced participation in demonstrations (violating Third Geneva Convention protections for humane treatment and dignity).
    
  • Ill-treatment, brutal suppression of disorders in camps (causing deaths and injuries).
    
  • Summary executions of captured soldiers.
    
  • Deportation of tens of thousands of Iranian civilians (in areas under Iraqi control) to Iraq, a grave breach of the Fourth Geneva Convention.
    
• A 1985 UN report also concluded that both Iran and Iraq mistreated each other's POWs in violation of the Geneva Conventions.
  
• 1986 incident with U.S. Navy personnel: In 2016, Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) detained American sailors, photographed them in captivity, and broadcast the images for propaganda purposes. This was widely described as a violation of the Third Geneva Convention (Article 13), which prohibits exposing POWs to insults, public curiosity, or exploitation.
  
• Other contexts: While most accusations against Iran focus on internal human rights abuses (e.g., torture, unfair trials, executions) or non-international conflicts/protests (which fall more under human rights law or Common Article 3), these do not always directly trigger full Geneva Conventions application unless linked to an armed conflict. Recent (2025–2026) regional hostilities involving Iran have seen mutual accusations of violations, but sources primarily attribute breaches (e.g., targeting civilians or nuclear facilities) to adversaries like the U.S. and Israel, not Iran in those specific reports.
  

Iran has asserted respect for international humanitarian law in UN submissions, but independent sources (ICRC, UN reports, human rights organizations) have consistently documented breaches, particularly regarding POW treatment during the Iran-Iraq War and isolated incidents involving detained foreigners.
In summary, yes—Iran has been credibly accused and found to have violated the Geneva Conventions, especially in wartime POW handling and related protections. These are not isolated claims but come from neutral bodies like the ICRC and UN missions.

 

No doubt IIRG & Iranian armed forces are very brutal . Iran also used chemical ( or biological ? ) weapons against Iraqis , as did Iraq against Iran .It`s a full blown brutal regime .