What's on your TikTok page? U.S. looks to scour tourists' online profiles

[ancientlight]

So here's another nail in the freedom coffin.

Not shocking off course. I have non-US family visiting , twice a year, this is just outragious!
I'm seriously thinking about moving back to Europe myself and getting rid of my US citizenship(father was American).

So sick of this country! 
And this from president Trump .


How to reduce tourism

[Kenzo1]

So here's another nail in the freedom coffin.

Not shocking off course. I have non-US family visiting , twice a year, this is just outragious!
I'm seriously thinking about moving back to Europe myself and getting rid of my US citizenship(father was American).

So sick of this country! 
And this from president Trump .


How to reduce tourism

It`s Orwellian  1984 behavior. But also hypocrite as U.S state depertment has accused the European Commission of being “Orwellian” in its handling of freedom of speech.

Vice president Vance speech at Munich :

Quote

Embrace what your people tell you, even when it’s surprising, even when you don’t agree
I believe that dismissing people, dismissing their concerns or worse yet, shutting down media,
shutting down elections or shutting people out of the political process protects nothing. In fact, it
is the most surefire way to destroy democracy. Speaking up and expressing opinions isn’t
election interference. Even when people express views outside your own country, and even when
those people are very influential – and trust me, I say this with all humour – if American
democracy can survive ten years of Greta Thunberg’s scolding you guys can survive a few
months of Elon Musk.
But what no democracy, American, German or European will survive, is telling millions of
voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations, their pleas for relief, are invalid or
unworthy of even being considered.
Democracy rests on the sacred principle that the voice of the people matters. There is no room
for firewalls. You either uphold the principle or you don’t. Europeans, the people have a voice.
European leaders have a choice. And my strong belief is that we do not need to be afraid of the
future.
Embrace what your people tell you, even when it’s surprising, even when you don’t agree. And
if you do so, you can face the future with certainty and with confidence, knowing that the nation
stands behind each of you. And that, to me, is the great magic of democracy. It’s not in these
stone buildings or beautiful hotels. It’s not even in the great institutions that we built together as
a shared society.
To believe in democracy is to understand that each of our citizens has wisdom and has a voice.
And if we refuse to listen to that voice, even our most successful fights will secure very little. As
Pope John Paul II, in my view, one of the most extraordinary champions of democracy on this
continent or any other, once said, ‘do not be afraid’. We shouldn’t be afraid of our people even
when they express views that disagree with their leadership. Thank you all. Good luck to all of
you. God bless you

JD Vance’s full speech on the fall of Europe
US, Europe clash over free speech as trade talk finale looms

Insanely, submitting your past 5 years' social media to enter the U.S. as a tourist is only a small part of the proposed upcoming requirements. You'll also need to give your DNA (!) among many other new requirements. All the additional info you'll need to give as a tourist eligible for ESTA (meaning those tourists who don't need a visa, for instance from EU, UK, Australia, Japan, and other Visa Waiver countries):
- All social media accounts from the last 5 years
- All your biometrics: face, fingerprint, DNA, and iris
- All your phone numbers from the last 5 years - All your email addresses from the last 10 years
- IP addresses and metadata from your submitted photos
- Names of your family members (parents, spouse, siblings, children)
- All your family members' phone numbers from the last 5 years
- Your family members' dates of birth - Your family members' places of birth
- Your family members' residencies - All your business phone numbers from the last 5 years
- All your business email addresses from the last 10 years If you do need a visa (i.e. non ESTA), I imagine the requirements are going to be far more drastic.

Arnaud Bertrand X

[Kenzo1]

I just compared U.S and China ...what are the requirements for entering short business or pleasury trip , and look`s like U.S is like on another planet, requiring much more than China if the new rules will be valid regarding U.S rules.

[Ninurta]

I'm genuinely befuddled by this - who creates a social media account, whether Tik-Tok, Facebook, X, or what have you - and expects people NOT to creep on it? That's sort of what it's for, and after all, governments are made up of people, too. Often CREEPY people.

That job of sifting through social media accounts has got to be the most boring job on Earth. Right up there with watching grass grow, just getting paid for it which doesn't generally happen with the grass growing watch.

The most troublesome part of the announcement, to me, is the possibility of moving to a "mobile-only platform". That would effectively ban me from international travel, since I have no mobile, same as lack of a mobile would effective ban me from personhood in the UK now under their new "digital ID" bullshit. Not that it matters that much - my days of international travel are long behind me now. In the matter of the UK, losing my personhood to a computer would be... troubling.

As far as my lack of social media presence as a "red flag" for government types goes, piss on 'em. All they gotta do is stay the hell offa my lawn, and we'll all be ok. I don't give a shit where else they wave their commie "red" flags, just not on MY lawn.

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[727Sky]

I'm genuinely befuddled by this - who creates a social media account, whether Tik-Tok, Facebook, X, or what have you - and expects people NOT to creep on it? That's sort of what it's for, and after all, governments are made up of people, too. Often CREEPY people.

That job of sifting through social media accounts has got to be the most boring job on Earth. Right up there with watching grass grow, just getting paid for it which doesn't generally happen with the grass growing watch.

The most troublesome part of the announcement, to me, is the possibility of moving to a "mobile-only platform". That would effectively ban me from international travel, since I have no mobile, same as lack of a mobile would effective ban me from personhood in the UK now under their new "digital ID" bullshit. Not that it matters that much - my days of international travel are long behind me now. In the matter of the UK, losing my personhood to a computer would be... troubling.

As far as my lack of social media presence as a "red flag" for government types goes, piss on 'em. All they gotta do is stay the hell offa my lawn, and we'll all be ok. I don't give a shit where else they wave their commie "red" flags, just not on MY lawn.

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No doubt some form of A.I. will do all the leg work and if certain words or beliefs are brought to light then the NSA gets involved. God save any country that lets the spooks get power and run things for only a true living god could defeat those assholes.

[Kenzo1]

I'm genuinely befuddled by this - who creates a social media account, whether Tik-Tok, Facebook, X, or what have you - and expects people NOT to creep on it? That's sort of what it's for, and after all, governments are made up of people, too. Often CREEPY people.

That job of sifting through social media accounts has got to be the most boring job on Earth. Right up there with watching grass grow, just getting paid for it which doesn't generally happen with the grass growing watch.

The most troublesome part of the announcement, to me, is the possibility of moving to a "mobile-only platform". That would effectively ban me from international travel, since I have no mobile, same as lack of a mobile would effective ban me from personhood in the UK now under their new "digital ID" bullshit. Not that it matters that much - my days of international travel are long behind me now. In the matter of the UK, losing my personhood to a computer would be... troubling.

As far as my lack of social media presence as a "red flag" for government types goes, piss on 'em. All they gotta do is stay the hell offa my lawn, and we'll all be ok. I don't give a shit where else they wave their commie "red" flags, just not on MY lawn.

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i have X account , and for starters i have to say X is irritating for many reasons. I have it , to get information. And...i have expected all the time some creepy people migh go look it, that´s why i have make only 3 replies to one thread . I am not using it for commucating thus..

[gortex]

So here's another nail in the freedom coffin.

Not shocking off course. I have non-US family visiting , twice a year, this is just outragious!
I'm seriously thinking about moving back to Europe myself and getting rid of my US citizenship(father was American).

So sick of this country! 
And this from president Trump .


How to reduce tourism

Personally I'd ban anyone with a TikTok page from entering my Country but you are of course right it is a surprising move for the land of the free to be snooping on past opinions of visitors or residents , it seems the world is shifting to a darker Orwellian state of being as this seems in tone with what is happening in the UK and Europe , a New World Order perhaps. 

Technology is enslaving us.

[rickymouse]

I don't have a Tik Tok page, nor am I even interested in having one.  I do have facebook, but only check my facebook about once a week.  Friends used to post things on Facebook, but most have quit it because it is much better just to talk to friends or go visit them somewhere.  To me Facebook has become so riddled with people complaining about things, it is depressing reading about it.  Seems like so many people are now entitled, they can't comprehend what entitled even is anymore.

Europe is getting bad for disallowing freedom of speech if it does not fit the narrative of how their governments want speech to be.  I have known people over the years that lived in England, and other countries over there, they are disappointed now at how things are changing. 

I'll stay here in the UP and if I ever do move, it will be to a place which has even more nature, Squirrels and chipmunks and deer and other wild animals seem easier to deal with.  The world of man is getting nuts, so I will go hang out with the animals that eat nuts.

[F2d5thCav]

'course, one aspect of this policy may be to tell those who like to dump on the USA that they need not visit ... ugly truth be told, we have enough home-grown problem children without bringing in those from other countries.

There are countries in this world I am no fan of ... and I don't plan on (voluntarily) visiting any of them.

[ancientlight]

I had noticed this part : 

" The new conditions were unveiled in a notice from the Department of Homeland Security earlier this week and are open for public comment and review for 60 days before going into effect"

Then I clicked on the link, went to 'public comments' on the left of the document, and it says : ' This feature is not available for this document.'  


This is just beyond dystopian. The 'freedom' we have in this country, it's just an illusion. You can bet every law , every vote, every election is rigged on so called 'both sides'.  They have everything pre-determined and planned , years ahead.  
It's all just theater. I've been saying this for years. 
They want us 'Trump voters' angry at Trump and more divided. 

Incidentaly I haven't voted in years because I see it's pointless and rigged. 

[Ninurta]

i have X account , and for starters i have to say X is irritating for many reasons. I have it , to get information. And...i have expected all the time some creepy people migh go look it, that´s why i have make only 3 replies to one thread . I am not using it for commucating thus..

I also have an X account, but can no longer get into it. I created it in 2014, when it was still Twitter, because I had to for an online publication I was working for at the time, which is now defunct. The publication went defunct because they required every writer to post about 50 short articles a day,and then promote those articles on places like Twitter. That was just too much for any one writer to keep up with, so the publication went belly-up.

I've not been to that account since 2014, and have forgotten the logins for it, so I'll never be logging in to X. I tried once, recently,to create a new account, but it would not allow it because I had already used my email address for the now dead account which I can't get in to.

I have a Facebook account, but that, too, is going the way of the dinosaur. I originally created it to keep up with family and friends, but now find it so completely populated by crazy people that I rarely ever check in there - maybe once a month, probably less. The latest wrinkle is that Facebook up and encrypted most of my "Messenger" chats, without eve bothering to ask me if I wanted them to - they just did it, without my permission. So now I can't even get into a bunch of my own damned Messenger messages. Facebook has effectively locked me out of Messenger... so I have to find other ways to get information out to people now.

The latest wrinkle is that Facebook has now put a "PIN" on my encrypted messages, and never bothered to tell me what that PIN was, so I will never be able to access my own messages there, so... fuck Facebook.

Now, even though I can't get into my own messages, the government can if they want to - all they have to do is say pretty please and bat their eyes at Facebook to decrypt the messages, and Facebook will roll out of their knickers like a schoolgirl on prom night to give the government access, but me, not so much.

I do not have a Tik-Tok, or Snapchat, or Instagram, or any of the other "new" social media accounts, because I'm not a teenager. From looking thorough some of those, they are for kids, not serious adults. So I've not bothered with them at all. Folks who use those probably shouldn't be allowed to travel anywhere without adult supervision any how, much less internationally.

So, because my "social media" profile is so non-existent, I apparently raise red flags for government types. Fuck 'em. They can jam their red flags up their asses and ride 'em hard while they geek out on other folks' social media accounts.

Just as long as they stay the hell off my lawn while they're doing it.

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[Ninurta]

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I'll stay here in the UP and if I ever do move, it will be to a place which has even more nature, Squirrels and chipmunks and deer and other wild animals seem easier to deal with.  The world of man is getting nuts, so I will go hang out with the animals that eat nuts.

That's why I moved back to these hyar hills. I spent most of my life in one city or another, but always in urban areas when I wasn't out poking around in a jungle or a desert somewhere trying to get myself shot - unsuccessfully, I might add.. 

Folks got too damned crazy out there, so I retreated back here, to live among the wildness. Unlike people, critters never do anything without a reason, and they don't do crazy very well - they're pretty much always predictable. You might not like what they're going to do, and you might have to poke 'em with a sharp stick for it, but it's almost always predictable what they are going to do next.

People, not so much. To coin an old phrase, "people is the craziest monkeys!"

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