(08-16-2023, 06:02 PM)Ninurta Wrote: I'm a firm believer in watching what people DO rather than listening to what they SAY. With that in mind, I think - if "aliens" are here - that they are neither here to help nor to destroy us. If they were, and they had all those alien superpowers, it would have already been done by now, whichever way they wanted it to go. They've had plenty of time to either fix or conquer us with that alien super-tech. Since they have done neither, then neither can be their goal.
They do, however, appear to be inordinately fond of kidnapping folks and "probing" their various orifices. That may well be the only reason they are here - they are either studying us like bugs under glass, or are just up for some super-kinky sex tourism.
Regarding the various gurus like Greer, Icke,Elizondo, etc., I don't trust any of them. I think bullshitters gonna bullshit. I've listened to Greer, and his whole pitch seems to be "I know stuff, but can't tell you that stuff, because I'll get into trouble with The Powers That Be who control that stuff, but for a nominal fee, I can take you on an alien mind-fuck tour out in the desert where you can communicate with them only using your awesome mind power! Make sure to hit that sign-up sheet and send me your check, because space is limited!"
I also have a friend who Elizondo tried to fuck pretty hard, set up a meeting with him and some "brass" in a hotel, then recorded the meeting and tried to run it on TV on some kind of alien disclosure program. My friend had a time of it when that happened, and I believe damned near lost his security clearance - and he is in a government intel outfit, so it would have killed his entire career.
So piss on those "alien gurus" - they're 'as as full of shit as Adamski and Billy Meier. I wouldn't trust one as far as I could throw him, and these days my arm ain't what it used to be.
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Oh man, I had to read that paragraph a few times until I realized you didn't mean Elizondo literally fucking your friend

I think you're right though, they're all full of it. I'm just saying I would sooner trust Greer over the TTSA crowd, though I admit, that isn't saying much. Or maybe they're in it together, playing good cop/bad cop, with both sides of the "aliens being a threat" coin. Maybe the end game is to have the populace come to their own conclusions when/if they start the false flag attacks, and Greer, Delonge, Elizondo, etc are just there to bring awareness that they're here.
Also agreed that if aliens really are here, they're here as observers only. The equivalent to a wildlife biologist studying an ant colony in Africa. Who knows, maybe the longer they've been here, the more they realize how fucked up those in power are, and the aliens would be better served with them eliminated.
(08-16-2023, 07:01 PM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: I only side partly with tiny hand of UFO researchers and NONE of them are in the daily grind spotlight.
That TTSA crew has a combined ~200 years of CIA experience in counter-intel shenanigans. Somewhere out on the interwebs is an interview with Elizondo, (from 2016 or 2017) where he stated that his mission is to destroy the UFOlogy community. I'd say 6-7 years later he's been rather successful, but yet most all if not ALL his followers came onboard the UFO bandwagon after 2017. The one tidbit about TTSA that I found of interest is that many of them have backgrounds in the medical field.
Quote:Elizondo Interview from 2021:
Before you were approached to be part of AATIP, you were a counterintelligence special agent hunting terrorists and drug traffickers.
Why did they approach you?
I have no idea. I think probably because I wasn’t prone to any flights of fancy. I wasn’t a particular fan of science fiction. I do have some background in advanced aerospace technology. When I was a young special agent, I did “tech protect” [counterintelligence work to stop US technology from falling into enemy hands] of advanced avionics and my background was a scientist. At university, I had three majors: microbiology, immunology and parasitology.
X-Protect (so coined by some deep state researchers) is in fact "tech protect"...X-Protect is Covert Intelligence/Aerospace Group that controls the protection of the UFO File secrets at any cost. These guys have no idea what exactly is in the file, nor do they care.
The credo or motto of counterIntel people read into Black Ops projects:
1. There is no truth; anything goes
2. We can do anything; anything goes
The security team has undergone many code names/nicknames since 1947 that operate in & out of deep state gov't. Trump's buddy Roy Cohn was part of it back in the 50s. Really long deep history of many characters under the Manhattan secrecy umbrella...the same with certain parts of the medical field.
As for Greer, back in the 90s & early 2000s he came across as quite respectable in the UFO field as he briefed Pres Clinton & the top ranking Pentagon brass on the UFO issue. Course most people's perception was wildly different back then vs the past 6 years. However, circa 2010 he flew off the reservation into fantasy land. Now they compete with each other completely obfuscating the real phenomena. I could go on & on, but what is the point anymore.
Appeal to the Great Spirit. LMH looks like a munchkin. LOL.
Meeting at Rockefeller's JY Ranch in 1993
Who really stands out in that photo? Hint: It's not Greer. Hint #2: He funded some of Zecharia Sitchin's works.
That's good stuff. I'll admit I had a lot of respect for Greer up until his "contact events" where a picture of a fucking moth was posted to CSETI's main website as an ET being of light and love

I absurdly gave him a pass, thinking he needed money for documentaries, to raise awareness, needs to eat, etc. But as time went on, I couldn't look past it. He undid all the good he possibly did with that one thing in my book.