(11 hours ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:(11 hours ago)YesItsMe Wrote:(Yesterday, 11:27 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: According to survey in 2020, 32% of the population identifies as Shi’ite Muslim in Iran .
... and the ones running Iran are Twelvers. Read up on Twelvers.
I did look it . And the claim that they would create the big war , to get mahdi come is cartoonish conspiracy theory .
Mahdi’s eventual emergence is viewed as a divine act rather than a human-engineered political movement.
"Twelvers" are a subset of Shi'a Islam, so the two are not entirely incompatible. All "Twelvers" are Shi'ites, but not all Shi'ites are "Twelvers".
The whole "Twelvers are trying to start a war to usher in the Mahdi" may well be some sort of a cartoonish conspiracy theory, in the same exact vein of "Zionists are trying to take over the entire Middle East" conspiracy theory. While they are both conspiracy theories, ground truth has not really borne either of them out as "fact". Only time will tell, but there really isn't a nickel's worth of difference between the two theories until something happens to demonstrate their factuality... which has not yet occurred for either. However, I can say that I know "Twelvers" are real, because I married a former Twelver once. I can't say the same for "Zionists", because I've never seen one in the wild.
That being said, Moslems are not immune to the same sort of "forcing a prophecy" that Christians and Jews can fall into. An example would be the "Black Flags from Khorasan" prophecy in Islamic eschatology. As it happens, ISIS has gained a huge presence in Khorasan, AND their flag just coincidentally happens to be black, I'm sure that must be merely a coincidence, but someone could look at that and see Moslems trying o force a prophecy, much like the silly Christian and Jewish notion of a "Third temple" Ushering in some sort of messianic age that was already ushered in 2000 years ago. Since those folks entirely missed the fulfillment of that prophecy, other folks believe they are trying to force it in now, at this way too late date.
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“Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake