(04-04-2026, 09:08 AM)gortex Wrote:Quote:With all the money the USA is and has spent on NATO and to have the spineless leaders of Europe refuse access to the military bases U.S. tax payer money built and maintained just might be the last straw and rightly so IMO.
Spineless leaders of Europe ? , I think it would have been spineless to blindly follow Trump and Bibi into this calamity of Israel's making , there was no consultation with allies before the attacks and no clear plan laid out just a belief that everyone should just fall into line following Trumps continued verbal attacks on those allies and threats to annex a territory of Denmark , seems a bit rich to me , sorry but you reap what you sow.
Trump pulling the US out of NATO would be Putin's wildest dream come true although as I understand it Trump can't unilaterally make that decision without the approval of Congress.
Trump is trying to bully his allies , his allies won't be bullied.
Yes, yes you do. You do reap what you sew.
I've been against US NATO involvement for decades now, ever since the Soviet Union - which NATO was instituted to counter - collapsed. Now, it seems that same NATO "alliance" is also against NATO, and giving the US plenty of reason and justification to just pull our props out from under it.
Frankly, I'm kind of glad to see NATO committing suicide. It's been a long time needed.
Indeed Congress DOES have to approve a pullout, but that is looking increasingly likely with every refusal to assist from our NATO "allies".
Furthermore, even in the absence of a Congressional approval for fully leaving the NATO treaty, there are a great many things Trump can do unilaterally to defang it altogether. He can stop sending funds, and let it tread water on it's own. As Commander in Chief, he can unilaterally "reallocate" US troop deployments from Europe to anywhere else in the world he deems those troops to be needed, and perhaps more appreciated as well.
NATO doesn't want to live up to their treaty obligation and support NATO? That's fine. They can foot the whole bill for it themselves. They can see to their own defense as US troops may be needed elsewhere than in countries that don't want them there. It's kind of a no-brainer, and one day may turn into a no-armer and a no-legger as well... but that is, of course, those nations choice to make as sovereign nations.
NATO is flooding their own territory with unassimilating foreigners, secure in the assumption that Daddy Sammy will pull their fat out of the fire if things go south. NATO nations are poking the Russian bear, thinking Daddy Sammy will rescue them and stand in the (Fulda) gap if that bear turns nasty. Daddy Sammy is getting tired of being the only adult in the room, and is on the verge of telling NATO to reap what it has sewn on it's own.
So, yes, you do reap what you sew. If NATO nations don't want to live up to their treaty obligations to the US, the US is under no compulsion to continue living up to their treaty obligations to NATO. If NATO wants to refuse to allow the US to use bases the US built and paid for, then the US is under no obligation to keep those bases open and staffed.
Be careful what you wish for, because the US is not the only people who reap what they sew. The US is not unique in that respect.
And with any luck at all, NATO may soon find that out. US interests are better served in realigning our alliances to nations that are more interested in... actual alliance. Alliance is, or should be, a two-way street. When it no longer is, then re-evaluations are in order.
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“Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake