(03-19-2026, 03:55 PM)sahgwa Wrote:(03-17-2026, 09:04 PM)putnam6 Wrote: AI suggests it could save 800 million a year just by leaving NATO, and more, depending on which bases they leave.
That's all well and good, but unfortunately the planned crashing of the economy, towards a new bleep bloop digital crap seems to be well underway , with us going into 3 trillion more in debt per year. 8 million is only .2 of a percent of that.
'The Peterson Foundation says that on or about March 18, the national debt will reach $39 trillion. This was less than five months after it reached $38 trillion. At our current pace of profligacy — it probably will accelerate — three trillion-dollar milestones can be passed during one fiscal year.'
Oh noes, what will we do?
Who is gonna come and break Uncle Sammy's thumbs if he doesn't pay?
Tired of hearing about the national debt when states like Minnesota, California, and others are grifting the system. End the fraud and corruption, and the national bottom line would look a lot better.
Instead, how many years did Congress approve USAID bullshit?
Send immigration funds without oversight.
We have an old skeevy shopping center in our neighborhood from back in the 80s, it's still skeevy AF,
It has 73 different addresses that are accepting health care applications in that still skeevy little shopping center.
They get federal funds for every application sent in, many of which are fraudulent claims, obviously
Quote:None of the holders of U.S. debt "come to collect" in the sense of showing up to demand immediate full repayment or forcing a showdown. The U.S. national debt doesn't work like a personal loan where a creditor can suddenly call the entire amount due or seize assets if you miss a payment.
Here's why, and how it actually functions:
U.S. debt is primarily issued as Treasury securities (bills, notes, bonds, etc.), which are formal contracts with fixed terms:Holders can't arbitrarily "call in" the debt early or demand immediate full repayment unless it's a very rare callable bond (most aren't). Foreign governments like Japan or China, or domestic investors like pension funds, can't force early redemption — they get paid on the scheduled dates.
- They have specific maturity dates (e.g., 3 months for a T-bill, 10 years for a note, 30 years for a bond).
- Holders receive regular interest payments (coupons for notes/bonds) as agreed.
- At maturity, the government pays back the full face value (principal) automatically — no negotiation or "collection" needed.
- If a holder wants cash earlier, they sell the security on the secondary market to someone else (it's highly liquid and traded globally).
The U.S. government manages this by:Even if a holder (foreign or domestic) wanted to "collect" aggressively, they have no real leverage to force anything beyond the contract terms. Dumping large holdings would hurt the seller more (by driving down prices and their own returns) than the U.S., as other buyers (including the Fed or domestic investors) would likely step in.
- Paying maturing debt with tax revenues, other income, or — most commonly — by issuing new Treasury securities to "roll over" the debt (borrowing new money to pay off the old).
- This rollover has been routine for decades because U.S. Treasuries are seen as the world's safest investment (backed by the "full faith and credit" of the U.S. government).
The only real risk of non-payment would be a U.S. default (e.g., due to debt ceiling brinkmanship preventing new borrowing to cover maturing debt or interest). That would be catastrophic — spiking interest rates, crashing markets, damaging the dollar's global status, and triggering a potential recession — but it's a self-inflicted political issue, not something creditors can impose.
In short: Holders don't "come knocking" because the system is designed for automatic, predictable repayment and rollover. The U.S. has never defaulted on its debt obligations in modern history, and the structure ensures payments continue as long as Congress allows borrowing to cover them.
![[Image: Screenshot-2026-02-21-19-25-12-716.jpg]](https://i.ibb.co/M5PpzF7M/Screenshot-2026-02-21-19-25-12-716.jpg)