(9 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote:(10 hours ago)quintessentone Wrote: Many in the international world sees it as Iran being attacked first while others buy in to Israel's having to attack it's neighbors to protect itself when it's not actually being attacked, so you can state your case all you want and I will do the same and we will never see eye to eye on this, that's for sure.
An interesting choice of phrasing - one side "sees" while the other side "buys in", "Seeing" implies there is something concrete there to see, while "buying in" implies there is not, and indicates a belief that lying is going on, which the "buys in" side is susceptible to, but the other side isn't for some strange reason. Interesting choices of phrase indeed!
Now, with that said, I have no doubt that "many" in the international world "see" it that way. I don't globe-trot any more to be able to objectively assess that determination, but neither do I have any reason to doubt it.
However, what they think they "see" is irrelevant as far as the "truth" goes. It's just as likely that what they think they are "seeing" is manufactured pap, designed to stir up their feelings, which that particular side has a disposition towards.
Here's another fact: feelings come, and feelings go. "Fact" and "Truth" remain regardless of the ebb and flow of feelings
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(10 hours ago)YesItsMe Wrote:(11 hours ago)quintessentone Wrote: Most of the world and the majority of Americans are against this war.That's moving the goal posts again. How popular this war is has nothing to do with the facts I presented.
It has everything to do with the facts because where you get your facts matter with perspective, and you don't provide any sources where we can read your facts.
Ignoring the majority consensus doesn't help your case and lays bare your facts as being prone to subjectivity.
Another unfortunate fact is that neither "truth" nor "Fact" depend upon "consensus". Consensus can exist, and still be "wrong" so far as fact and truth are concerned.
As it was put to me long ago, "a man can be sincere, and he can still be sincerely wrong". The same applies to consensus, which is, after all, just the thoughts or beliefs of a collection of individual people. As such, there is no requirement that it have any bearing on truth or fact.
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Then again consensus can show the true feelings and desires of the majority. In this case, the majority are against Israel and the US in starting this war.
Truth fears no question. Anon