(11 hours ago)quintessentone Wrote:(11 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote:(Yesterday, 04:16 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Afghanistan has the most horrific domestic violence against women in the world and guess which country created that or allowed that happen? Don't see it? Don't care?
Pakistan.
The Taliban, current government of Afghanistan and arbiter of "morals" there, was wholly and entirely created by Pakistani ISI in or around 1993 as a means of exercising Pakistani control over Afghanistan via a proxy / puppet government. This occurred in the power vacuum left by the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, which the US also declined to fill.
The original taliban was recruited from Pakistani madrasas by Pakistani ISI. a "madrasa" is a school, and it is built into the very name of the Taliban - "taliban" means "students". One student is a "talib".
As is usual with these sorts of things, however, the Taliban grew beyond Pakistani control, and is now a thorn in their side instead.
Original US culpability is in not filling the power vacuum left by the Soviets ourselves. Some of us argued strongly in favor of doing just that, but we were ignored. We weren't even over-ruled... just ignored.
Secondary US culpability lies with the BidenHarris administration in the US, who ran away from Afghanistan so fast it left a hole in the air... and yet another power vacuum to be filled. The Taliban was the only immediately available force to fill it.
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US's culpability was explained very well in Afghanistan. Now how about the US's culpability in regards to the rise and emergence of ISIL/ISIS in Iraq?
Again, I'll say... Don't see it? Don't care? Walk away and leave your government messes for someone else to clean up?
That seems a fair question. I followed the inception and early development of ISIS pretty closely. I went so far as to obtain (through probably less than savory channels) their internal magazines such as "Dabiq" to stay abreast of their development. I couldn't find any US involvement there in it's beginning, but later, I DID find US involvement in it's development in Syria. The Obama regime was actually "accidentally" air dropping weapons to ISIS in Syria, thus assisting their development and aggression in that quarter.
Syria is probably yet another war we should not have involved ourselves in. The net result is that now we have "former" ISIS in charge of Syria, which is something we may have to go in and clean up later on down the road. As you say, Syria is, in large part, "our mess", and it should be up to us to clean it up.
ETA: oh, and there is no such thing as "ISIL". It is, and has always been since inception, "ISIS" (Islamic State in Iraq and Shams (Syria)). "ISIL" was an Obama regime term for his radicalized friends. He used it and demanded it's use to avoid offending those same friends by any association to an ancient Egyptian goddess, which they would consider "idolatry". Their own internal designation has always bee "ISIS" - it just didn't translate well for them into English.
Now ISIS did, and still does, have designs on the levant, but only in the sense that they intend to "fight until the whoole world if for Allah" - i.e. create a global caliphate, with themselves in charge of it. In that sense, and considering the Levant is a part of "the whole world", they may be said to have designs on the Levant as well. However, the Levant has never been included in ISIS's self-designation.
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