(11 hours ago)quintessentone Wrote:(11 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote:(Yesterday, 03:54 PM)quintessentone Wrote:(Yesterday, 03:46 PM)putnam6 Wrote:(Yesterday, 03:37 PM)quintessentone Wrote: Iran didn't start this war, Israel did and dragged Trump along by the nose.
So forget the 47 years of suffering of the millions of average Iranian women at the hands of fanatical clerics who think women, your mothers, daughters, and sisters are subhuman animals to be used and abused by men?
The hypocrisy is thick...
The hypocrisy is thick because you nor your government give a rat's ass about the women in that country, nor in Afghanistan where you left that vile mess and where women are now the most abused in the world.
Keep your sympathies for the incarcerated women raped by ICE, with the women in some of your states where women have no dominion over their bodies, and where pastors like that Wilson guy want to strip women of their human and voting rights and whom Hegseth kisses his feet.
And there it is. Now we're making it a personal attack against another member. Not gonna fly here.
You might assume the desires and motivations of a government without cause, but not an individual. You are not them, and have nary a clue as to what they may or may not "give a rat's ass" about.
There are no states, at least not in the US, where "women have no dominion over their own bodies". None. Not a single one, anywhere in the US. That is a claim with neither proof nor evidence, and indeed there cannot be any such evidence, much less proof. Because it's not there. Oh, the Left TRIED to remove that dominion during the covid scare, but they were not successful. At least they were equal opportunity totalitarians about it - they tried to remove EVERYONE'S dominion over their own bodies, both male and female.
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I was accused of hypocrisy first and then Omega caught that fact. You might want to chastise the other member as well.
I responded in kind because there certainly is hypocrisy in your government and laws (abortion banned) and now aggressive military actions in the Middle East.
I am anti-war and I will call out the illegality, self-serving elitist goals, and ulterior motives that I see with Israel and the USA in that region.
I posted International Law giving Iran the right to defend itself and under which circumstances.
Most of the world and the majority of Americans agree with my stance on this war.
I did catch the "hypocrisy is thick" comment, but could not apply it to you personally. Otherwise, it appears to be a true statement when applied to the internet at large, and that was how I took it, rather than personally.
In the matter of what the "majority of Americans" believe, that is subjective rather than objective. Myself, actually being here in America and milling about among the masses, I can say truthfully that I have not heard a single American comment negatively on the war in any face-to-face settings where I can verify it is an actual person speaking. The internet, now, not so much. I've heard a lot of disparagement among the warrens of the internet, but there I cannot verify that it is an actual person speaking.
Now, that does not mean there are no detractors out there. I'm sure there are. It just means I've not been able to find one in my travels. Therefore, I must question the assessment that "most" Americans feel in any way or another, either for or against the war.
So, if an objective assessment cannot be made by an American here on the ground, what hope does someone NOT here on the ground have of making an objective assessment of the "temperature of the Americans" have?
We could fall to polls, I suppose, but I have not seen an unbiased poll in either direction since around 2012 or 2014. In recent years, all of them have built-in biases, intending to sway the thought of others in one direction or another using the "herd mentality" - i.e. trying to convince folks that "most" people think this way or that, so that person should think that way, too.
So, I can't endorse any polls in that regard, either. You can find polls slanted both for and against this war. It's just a matter of which polls one wants to drag out, and "poll wars" are probably not the direction to go to get at "truth", either.
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“Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake