(03-12-2026, 06:25 PM)Ninurta Wrote:(03-12-2026, 02:09 PM)OmegaLogos Wrote:(03-12-2026, 12:25 PM)Ninurta Wrote: Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?
I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.
So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.
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Explanation: Good point and well stated!
Personal Disclosure: As I understand it, to be a Zionist is, no matter who or what you are, that you support the modern creation of the secular state of Israel AND its right to self defense, which would make me a tacit token Zionist. I think the Jewish people of the Jewish Diaspora, who lost their homeland, world wide since the Romans slaughtered most of them in Judea about 2000 years ago, after a biblical prophesy by Jesus was fulfilled, deserved to recreate it as best they could when they could and where they could, even if they had to lie, kill, backstab supposed friends, create false flags that ended up with other Jewish people being killed, generate conspiracy theories about themselves and MORE than that even etc!
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Thank you for the attempt at explanation. I'm seriously trying to understand this.
So, if a person thinks that all nations have a right to exist, and a right to defend themselves, he or she is a "Zionist". If a person believe that all nations have a right to exist, and to defend themselves, EXCEPT Israel, he or she is not a Zionist, if I'm understanding it correctly.
What then is the difference in those two viewpoints? The nation of Israel is the only difference in them I can see. One says Israel has the same rights as any other nation, the other makes a difference in the matter of Israel's existence, singling it out as the only nation on Earth without the rights other nations are supposed to have.
What sets Israel apart from everyone else, and denies their right to exist? They have a secular government, just like most other nations, rather than a theocracy as Iran has currently. So, no real difference there. What IS the difference then?
They are a homeland for Jews, a place to go if they have no other place to go. That appears to me to be the singular difference between Israel and the rest of the nations on Earth.
If that is the only difference, and it is the only one I've been able to tease out of the discussion so far, then really it DOES just boil down to an animosity towards "dem jooz". Not necessarily a hatred towards the State, but more of a hatred towards the people composing that State. That's the only conclusion I can draw so far, since that is the only difference between that state and almost all the others.
Now don't get me wrong. I've dealt with Jews, and have never been treated well or hospitably by one. They seem, for the most part, to have a chip on their shoulder, and have a long history of looking down their noses at me because they perceive themselves to be "better than", That's just a fact. Perhaps not a universal one, since I've not met all the Jews on Earth, but still a valid one, since every Jew I've dealt with has had that attitude towards me. I've even guarded them at their synagogues, in times of danger when Arabs were threatening to attack them. I've carried a gun in their defense in such times, and put my own one-and-only precious body between them and the threats. And still, even at those times, they looked down on me. It is what it is. Maybe they were upset that a non-Jew was toting a gun around their synagogues. I'll never know,because they would not even lower themselves to speak to me.
They have even, upon occasion, lowered themselves far enough to interfere in my personal life, just to have a slap at me. That's just been my experience of them.
For all that, I can still not bring myself to deny them a right to exist, which I suppose, according to the developing definition, also makes of me a "Zionist".
I bear no great love for Jews, but neither do I deny them the right to exist. After saying the above, I also am forced to admit that, out of all the groups on this old world I have ever dealt with, they are one of the few, if not the only, group who has not, at one time or another, either wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Sure, they've acted in an untoward manner towards me, but that has never extended to an effort to deny MY right to exist, and so I must, in fairness, extend them the same "courtesy", if that is what it is to be considered.
Arabs have tried to kill me, yet I still maintain friends among them. "Palestinians" (really just a subset of Arabs gathered from the 4 corners of Arabdom for the sole purpose of denying a Jewish right to exist) have wished me dead, yet I still maintain friends among them. Among the Jews, I have never, ever, had a friend, and yet they are the only group who has never wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Behaved cooly towards me, yes, but they have never thrown a bomb or lead at me... and behaving cooly towards me is not a reason to end them, it's just a reason to go on my merry way and ignore them.
I'm certainly not willing to lay the blame for all the ills of the world upon them... especially when I've seen with my own eyes where "evil" comes from. Just giving me the cold shoulder is not a reason to exterminate them, or their nation, in my opinion.
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The problem is zionist in israel are heretical indoctrinated fake ideology that are suicidal ,acting like being is killing spree is normal state ....it is not.
Israel attacks central Beirut in escalation of deadly assault on Lebanon
They are out of their freaking minds , a danger to themselves , and also everyone else . They can be jews in other countries, America etc...Israelis can practice judaism many places.
They created monster , it`s just escalation after escalation with no end .
Ideally they would live in the current Israel yes and live happy life. But they turned to zionism and it`s not then all compatible with all other people in the ME and creates chronic problems that start also accumulate .
It`s not just Judaism ....they twisted it and use it`s name to justify all doings.
We are now near WW3 because the not compatible ideology . They need to start looking mirror and acting mature.
Everyone there need to start looking mirror and acting mature, hamas , Iran ...
Seems like Hezbollah fire rockets from Lebanon , so yes ok Israel then responds . it`s just the same never ending story .
At some point, someone might get idea to use nuke . Then who has the last laugh. It`s madness .
This will eventually turn against Israel , and they should at least try understand it .