(12-26-2025, 11:50 AM)gortex Wrote:Quote:As a contrarian, I have to differ in opinion with the presenter - one can always refuse to comply.
Wile that is true non-compliance comes with problems ,
That's true. I sometimes forget that people in the UK are in an entirely different situation that people in the rural US are. I think you have a much higher population density, which makes life more difficult when there are not enough resources to go around for a population.
Here, we have it different. The government could conceivably "stop me from working" for someone else, but they are powerless to stop me from working for myself, and taking pay as I like, whether in cash or by barter. When they outlaw cash, it will all be by barter. The worst they could do with any digital ID scheme here is prevent me from paying taxes on what I earn, which I'm just not seeing as a minus.
Banking is nothing to me - I've not used a bank since probably 2008, and I have not used credit since 1993. When Bank of America regularly started stealing 300 to 400 dollar PER MONTH right out my my account, I decided there weren't any percentages in allowing them to have access to my money to begin with. Neither do I miss them, neither banking nor credit. So, my nest egg is not under the control of anyone else - sitting in THEIR vault ready for them to seize at will - and if I don't have enough money in cash in my pocket to get something, then I really don't need it that badly.
As for the credit, I will die in debt under student loans that are structured so that they can never, EVER be repaid. I have, so far, paid back 27,000 dollars on a 9,000 dollar student debt, and they still say I owe them 27,000 dollars more, so that indicates a debt structure that is entirely unpayable, designed to keep one in debt slavery for life - so, in 1993, I did away with all credit and borrowing of all kinds. I already had a lifelong debt, didn't need any more. They don't need any special ID to get me there, either.
Government benefits? Over the last 3 decades or so, I've gotten used to the government refusing to pay me the money they owe me already, so that won't come as any surprise. For example, the government has never, EVER, paid me any of the "stimulus" payments they've promised, going all the way back to the first one. Never a single dime of any of them. They have even taken to refusing to pay me tax refunds in the last few years, refunds that are due to me from their over-theft of taxes. So, in that regard, I already live there, no special ID required.
Of note, in relation to this ID problem, the government's excuse for not paying my tax refunds is because "they don't know " me. Funny, but they know me well enough when it's time to collect taxes - they just don't know me when it's time to pay back what they over-collected. Piss on 'em. They can keep the money, use it to buy a funeral or something. Clearly, they are hurting for money worse than I am if they have to steal it like that.
As far as voting goes, there is a point of no return where they will likely have the governing constraints so locked down that voting is moot - for example, of what good is your vote when they refuse to hold elections for it to be counted? I believe you have personally experienced that at least once already. Voting is meaningless when there is no ballot box to drop it into.
Medical assistance might be a problem, but are the British people really so callous that they would allow your government to execute your own people like that? Simply refuse to patch them up because they are too poor to afford a cell phone to carry their "ID" into the emergency room on? That's a serious question, because I honestly do not know how callous the British people have become.
Beef? Good luck cutting me off from a meat supply. They can refuse to sell to me all day long, and that's not going to starve me out... but again, the situation is different here than it is there. I can get all the meat I can carry out of the woods here. I doubt that is the case there.
To my mind, it really just boils down to one question - how determined is a person to be free? Myself, I'm pretty determined, which we will likely see in the coming year or so since the Leftists have taken over the government here in Virginia. I will, no crap, live in a "rock house" (that's what we call overhanging cliff shelters here) before I will buckle under. My Indian ancestors did it for thousands of years, and my colonial ancestors followed suit when they first came into these hills... and I am no better than they were. Probably not as good, to be honest.
BUT - I do realize that many of my options are not available in the UK. Many of them would not be available here, either, if I did not insist on it, and ignore any laws to the contrary. Any law designed to starve a citizen is, by definition of what government is supposed to be, illegitimate.
The closest ID fiasco we have here is "RealID", which I have refused to get. We'll see how that affects me in the years to come, assuming I have "years" left to live. I refused the "RealID" on principle. I'm not paying an extra 30 dollars and jumping through extra hoops just to get a little blue star on my driver's license, especially when that little blue star will not make me any more "me" than I was yesterday before the star. It's a scam I chose not to participate in. Nor will I be engaging in any "Digital ID" when that comes down the pike here.
When I die, I want to be buried face-down, so the government can kiss my ass for what they've done to us already, much less what's to come. I don't have to comply with their bullshit, nor will I - I saw where my pre-1993 compliance got me, and it wasn't worth the effort to comply.
I'd have been better off just flying them the finger from the very start instead of waiting till I was old and cantankerous..
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“Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake