(06-21-2025, 11:12 AM)gortex Wrote: So MAGA members are now happy to ignore their "no foreign wars" mantra and be led by Israel on their personal Crusade in the middle East like Britain was led by the nose by Bush in his personal Iraqi Crusade ?
Iran has strategic military alliances with Russia and China , in March this year Iran, Russia, and China held joint naval exercises called the “Maritime Security Belt 2025” , an American attack on Iran will have wider consequences than Bush's attack on Iraq.
This is a dangerous moment , be careful what you support.
I've never been a part of the "no foreign wars" crowd. I've always been against useless foreign wars. The ones that have no point and cannot be justified. I'm all in on the ones that CAN be justified. Gimme a rifle and sign me up.
I raised hell when King George Bush II threw us into Iraq. That was one useless war, and got a lot of our fine young men killed permanently dead, without cause. There was no excuse for it. We already had Iraq buttoned up and tied down. Hell, Hussein couldn't even fly over 2/3 of his own damned country at the time, before we went in! Worse, we already had a legitimate war going on in Afghanistan, and it was senseless to open wars on two separate fronts. The outcome of that was always predictable - what I consider losses in both wars, and a lot of needlessly dead bodies lying around.
If you're going to fight a war, do it like you mean it. Fight it to win. Don't fight it for a while and then wuss out, piss on the fire, call in the dogs, and just slink on back home with nothing to show for it.
I'm also against involvement in the Ukraine war. That's not OUR war to fight - it's between Russia and one of their breakaway provinces. Kinda like the US Civil War. If the Confederacy doesn't get a pass for telling the mother country to go pound sand, then neither should the Ukraine. They picked that fight, let 'em duke it out under their own steam.
Iran is a horse of a different color. The U.S. has been under attack by Iran for 46 years, and we've pretty much just sat around with our thumbs up our asses that whole time, while they've been busy kidnapping our diplomats and holding them hostage, and killing our troops that have done nothing to Iran.
So, yeah, I'm good with lighting them up. Been a long time coming. I seriously doubt that either Russia or China would do anything at all to support Iran beyond a lot of loud-mouthed bitching. Neither can really afford to. They've got their own rodeos to ride in at the moment. However, if they DID decide to weight in with more than strong words, well, I've always been of the opinion that it's better to die on your feet, punching, than to live on your knees, begging and wringing your hands.
The biggest problem I see with the whole shebang is that we'd have to fly in B2's with bunker busters from Diego Garcia to Natanz It's my understanding that in order to do that, we'd have to get permission from the UK, which I gather was a condition of our lease of the base there. That's our own damned fault, though, for agreeing to a condition where we have to ask permission to defend ourselves. That could, conceivably, put the UK at some slight risk as well, when the UK really doesn't have any dogs in that fight.
I've no problem with the UK just sitting it out, but that permission condition could cause some of the fine mostly-peaceful West Asian "migrants" over there to have to disrupt their routine of raping British schoolgirls to take time to run the streets beheading adults. That could get a little sticky, and is really uncalled for. Remember - Pakistan is the only nation on God's Green Earth that has voiced any solidarity with Iran at all throughout this thing.
Iran claims that Pakistan has promised to nuke Israel. Pakistan says "no we did NOT!" Either way, that would be a mistake, as it would severely inhibit pilgrimages to the Dome of the Rock and al-Aqsa Mosque, which would be bound to put other Muslim nations out of sorts. Islam claims al-Aqsa as "the second holiest site in all of Islam". I doubt the Muslim world would look kindly on whomever reduced their second holiest site to a radiation-ridden wasteland.
And those poor "Palestinians" - whatever would they do, with nothing left to reclaim but a radioactive crater-filled wasteland? Then the only thing left for them would be to go bother Iran and Pakistan, turning the Iranian-supplied weapons they hold against Iran and Pakistan. The up side of that would be that they could probably get a lot more supplies from the Sunni Arab governments after they started bugging Iran.
This has been in the works for some time. Recall that a couple of months ago, the US started concentrating B2 bombers at Diego Garcia. They weren't doing that just to get in the flight hours. They already knew something was up, even back then, a couple of months ago. I don't see it so much as being " led by Israel on their personal Crusade in the middle East" as just following up behind our attack dog (Israel) that we've finally slipped the leash off of.
I ought to apologize. I'm just a little worn out with 46 years of Iran telling America to eat shit, and our only response being "how many spoonfuls this time, Sir?" just to keep Iran from back-handing some more of our soldiers.
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“Trouble rather the tiger in his lair than the sage among his books. For to you kingdoms and their armies are things mighty and enduring, but to him they are but toys of the moment, to be overturned with the flick of a finger.”
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake
― Gordon R. Dickson, Tactics of Mistake