(04-01-2025, 06:22 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: @Ninurta
Yeah, personally I'm tired of the constant anti-US messaging, be it about Iran or whatever.
Bottom line is the Irani leadership is driven by an admixture of religion and tribalism. Their 'vision' is not good for anyone save a handful of chosen acolytes.
Oh, the USA's approach is not angelic and frequently flawed ? Yes, that is true. But when one considers the alternatives ... Russia ... China ... radical Islam ... yeah, no, no thanks. One good thing about the USA's take on issues is that it is not forever ... unlike the fatal embrace of certain systems.
I don't care if these agents (for that is what they are) want to push their agendas, I just wish the internet was able to provide these viewpoints along with cogent replies and analyses to whatever it is the agents are pushing. If I have to take ideological poison, I would at least prefer to have a choice about whatever take it is that I eventually accept.
I think a fair summary would be to say that both "sides" want stability in the Middle East, but that they have very different views of what "stability" means, and of whose empire should be running the show there - and neither really much cares what the little guys living there think of the situation, or who they would like to have running their show.
So we get to the point that we realize they are ALL bastards, but we would rather it be OUR bastards running it... and both sides feel that way, rooting for very different bastards, but bastards all the same in all cases.
The one thing no one ever asks is who the locals would like to have telling them what to do. You know, those fancy words like "autonomy" and "self determination".
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