Heaven VS Hell! Where does that leave us?

[FlickerOfLight]

Flicker, I not going to post the following without letting you know first that this is merely an exercise.

What I meant by that was, there are people in this world that want to control us by fear. The ultimate fear is an unseen fear that, "if you don't do what I say you're going to burn in hell" is a great way to scare people. 

Yeah, an eternity in Hell sure sounds scary to me and fear is a great control method.

Man/woman/mankind has evil in its own heart, brought to us by the evil that we are taught. We just continue to pass it along.

Sure, but "evil we are taught", that part seems questionable when it is a dog eat dog world and humans are on top of that food chain. Then there is this "born in sin" idea that we will never get out of without the blood of Christ. The original sin is a hard one to justify if God was so loving and understanding, esp. when God blessed us and saw that it was "good" in his eyes. We have a sinful nature to be sure, but I believe that you could use the phrase our base nature or true nature in place of sinful nature in a sentence.

Sure, God is to "blame," but only if you're looking for 'someone to blame.'
Sure, it's His creation.
It got messed up, due to evil forces.

Then admittedly the forces of nature are evil forces, or at least those natural forces that created our inborn sinful nature are. Who created and controls all the forces of nature?

Would you still love a God that put you through hard times and suffering to break you free from this curse? If you knew that this suffering, this experience is absolutely necessary to move onto the next level (the new heaven and earth), would you still see that this is done because of benevolence, or could you see that all of this is done through love?

Suppose for a moment that God never allowed such a curse to befall his beloved children? What if suffering is not necessary to grow, learn and evolve? If either of these are valid possibilities than how could I possibly see my suffering as loving and benevolent? It sounds like a controlling, sadistic and abusive relationship as described.

We are eternal beings. Eternal lessons take longer than 100 years, or less. I would think.

If we are eternal beings and not mere mortals who are born to die.





I'm spent. There you go, have at it.

Wait, we have the Eucharist, the cannibalistic consumption of Christ's flesh and blood, and his crucifixion with the whipping and all. Man that is some fetish. Not sure why I thought of all that.

I'm prepared to have people Pico my beliefs apart. I know that we all see this differently. These are the great debates of the world.


May, I ask a question before o spend anymore of my energy on this:
Are you wrestling with your faith? Mad at God? Or wanting to prove that God is mean, and hates us, actually?

Not sure what you're looking for either here.


Without God, and whatever it is he is up to, we wouldnt have a chance at life. At all. We would of never existed. We can choose happiness, or we can choose to not believe. 
The in between is a dangerous place to dwell.

But you'd have to make an argument as to how its Satan that is actually the one who loves us----not how God hates us. Thats too easy. A sensible argument that satan actually loves us instead would be a hard one to make.

Ps. The drink my blood and gnaw on my flesh are metaphors.
We learn about evil just by living this existence and our freewill.
We are inheritely flawed due to the original sin. However I believe that to of be on purpose, and not as much as the devil fooling God that we've made it out to be. I believe it was strategic, and part of our learning experience here. This is the life of learning the knowledge of good and evil. We couldn't learn what evil really is unless we live it, and experience it for ourselves.
And yes, the violent destructive forces were necessary for creation and the balance within. Love brought it together and held it together.
A very philosophical way of stating that. This is simply how my feeble mind understands something that is impossible to fully understand.
(All part of the plan)
And I've heard this throughout my life, and in many different lectures, and other sources from all over, but I tend to believe this as well, and that is 'we have all made the choice to be here, and experience this material world. Problem is, once we get here we don't like it."
The answers are within us. This sounds like something to mediate on. Search within, maybe.