(05-15-2024, 07:39 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: And "fire" was "faar." lol
Yes, Exactly! Similarly, "ice" is pronounced "ass" here. I moved here my freshman year of high school. You may well be able to imagine my surprise when, on my third day at school, a young lady I did not know from Adam walked right up to me with a cup of ice in her hand and asked me if I wanted "a piece of ass"... "My!" I thought, "but this IS a really friendly place!"
Quote:My mom is from deep southeast GA. They were from a very small town. Very near the Okeefenokee swamp area. We even used to have our family reunions right near where that swamp entrance is today. Deep south GA.
There is a lot of dark history surrounding that area. Even today it holds a very old world value. "Old world religion" is there joy.
Back then I imagine that was a hundred times worse than it is now in 2024.
Yup, a very old history. The first European settlers in that area were French Huguenots. That was long before Jamestown, or even St. Augustine. The Spaniards rolled in and massacred the French wherever they could find them as "infidels" because they were French, and they were Huguenots rather than Catholics... and therefore clearly anti-christs. Matter of fact, those French attempts at settlement were the reason the Spaniards founded St. Augustine, as a forward operating base to keep a watch for French heretics (otherwise known as "Huguenots", same as "Protestants").
The Spaniards also massacred Frenchmen at Ft. Caroline, then took that base over as well and renamed it "Santa Helena". It is where Parris Island Marine Recruit Depot is today. From Santa Helena, the Spaniards sent an expeditionary force under Juan Pardo (1567) inland to subdue and "civilize" the natives. Didn't turn out so well for them. Out of six Spanish forts seeded in the Carolinas, all but one Spaniard were massacred by their host Indians.
A Sergeant of Juan Pardo, Hernan Moyano, led a force as far as Saltville, VA, (almost in my lap here where i sit) where he destroyed a town or two of Indians (as I recall, one of the towns he burned down was called "Maniateca") and then withdrew into east TN and forted up since he had burned up all his goodwill among the natives.
Because of the massacres of the Pardo troops, and the earlier massacres of the De Soto expedition (1539-1542) in their march across the US South, the Spaniards got the idea that the North American Indians might not be all that friendly after all, certainly not as docile as the Aztecs or Incas, and pulled back all the way to St Augustine, abandoning Santa Helena.
The last Spanish attempt at colonization on the eastern US seaboard was in 1570 on York River in VA by some Jesuits. They too were massacred to a man, with the exception of one boy whom they had taken along as an altar boy. After that massacre, Menendez de Aviles pulled all Spaniards back to St Augustine and never troubled the natives north of southern Georgia again.
One of Pardo's six forts, Fort San Juan, is being excavated near Morgaton, NC. Pardo called the associated Indian village "Joara", but the De Soto expedition knew it as "Xualla". Archaeologically, it's called "The Berry Site".
The entire area, not just Kentucky, has been a "dark and bloody ground" for centuries.
Quote:For instance, an uncle of mine, from that side of the family, was a freemason, (he's passed) but a high level FM. 29 or 30 level FM last I heard, and that was when I was little, and we just happen to over hear it. I believe he was Illuminati. (but what do i know, right? )
I've got no Masons in the family tree so far as I know. My grandpa was a stone mason, but I don't think he went through any of those silly assed masonic rituals or paid any dues to them or anything like that. He just chipped rocks and made walls. HIS dad, my great grand dad, was an "Odd Fellow" (International Order Of Odd Fellows - I.O.O.F.). I've got his dues book and a couple of I.O.O.F. certificates of his, but I don't think they ever got up to any world domination stuff. I've heard stories of coffins being found in basements of Odd Fellows lodges, though, so who knows?
Masons were latecomers here apparently, and never got a real foothold. I only know of one Mason Lodge in the entire area, although there may be more that I don't know of. The one I know of is in Grundy, VA. I drove past it today while I was out and about. It looks petty forlorn and lonely
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