Although it's not in the same series, here's another video regarding the Birder Reivers:
It's true that several of the reiver families ended up in Appalachia - of the family names mentioned, I recognize several as local names here. And the mindsets of the Appalachian mountaineers has close parallels to the mindset described of the reivers in the videos. We don't, for example, shy away from a feud that may carry on for generations. I've seen blood drawn here over the mere insinuation by one man that another might not be entirely truthful.
What are called here the "Scotch-Irish" came into these mountains by traveling down the Great Valley of Virginia and then just vanishing into the wilderness to get away from the English who generally lived nearer the coast. I reckon there was still, at that period of time, some fresh bad blood between the two.
The only branch of my own that I have been definitively able to trace to that general area is the McElwaines. They were from Ayrshire, and held lands at Thomaston, Attaquin, and Grimmet. I don't know that they were Borderers - I'm not sure if that area qualifes as the borders, although I will note that so far, none of the family names mentioned in the videos begins with a "Mc" or "Mac" as theirs does. The map briefly shown in the video above would indicate they were not - it seems to terminate the Borders at the southern border of Ayrshire.
So, probably not - @"Gordi" is closer to the situation, and would know better than I.
They were, however, apparently a rough bunch whether Borderers or not. I've read old court records that mention them getting in trouble for riding off in "steel bonnets and jacks" intent on doing harm - sometimes with the Campbells, sometimes against them... I reckon it depended on who had pissed off whom the day before. One I read a court record on was said to have been "cooling his heels in the caitchpoole (no idea what a "caitchpoole" is) in Maybole" when he was beset by some opposing ruffians, 4 of whom he dispatched with a sword he just happened to have at hand, according to the court records, before making his escape from the situation. he was 13 years old at the time.
Flash forward a couple of hundred years, and one of his descendants in America, a "Tunis Mucklewaine", was employed as an "indian spy" in the settlements around Tygart's Valley in what is now West Virginia. He ran a route of about 60 miles round trip looking for signs of indian incursions into the settlements to warn the settlements of impending attacks. That one was 14 years old when that service started.
Those MCElwaines were "Scotch-Irish" by virtue of having originated in Scotland, but were transported to the Plantations in Northern Ireland, for somehow being troublesome, where they spent about a hundred years before moving on to America. So, Scottish and Irish by way of the Plantations.
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It's true that several of the reiver families ended up in Appalachia - of the family names mentioned, I recognize several as local names here. And the mindsets of the Appalachian mountaineers has close parallels to the mindset described of the reivers in the videos. We don't, for example, shy away from a feud that may carry on for generations. I've seen blood drawn here over the mere insinuation by one man that another might not be entirely truthful.
What are called here the "Scotch-Irish" came into these mountains by traveling down the Great Valley of Virginia and then just vanishing into the wilderness to get away from the English who generally lived nearer the coast. I reckon there was still, at that period of time, some fresh bad blood between the two.
The only branch of my own that I have been definitively able to trace to that general area is the McElwaines. They were from Ayrshire, and held lands at Thomaston, Attaquin, and Grimmet. I don't know that they were Borderers - I'm not sure if that area qualifes as the borders, although I will note that so far, none of the family names mentioned in the videos begins with a "Mc" or "Mac" as theirs does. The map briefly shown in the video above would indicate they were not - it seems to terminate the Borders at the southern border of Ayrshire.
So, probably not - @"Gordi" is closer to the situation, and would know better than I.
They were, however, apparently a rough bunch whether Borderers or not. I've read old court records that mention them getting in trouble for riding off in "steel bonnets and jacks" intent on doing harm - sometimes with the Campbells, sometimes against them... I reckon it depended on who had pissed off whom the day before. One I read a court record on was said to have been "cooling his heels in the caitchpoole (no idea what a "caitchpoole" is) in Maybole" when he was beset by some opposing ruffians, 4 of whom he dispatched with a sword he just happened to have at hand, according to the court records, before making his escape from the situation. he was 13 years old at the time.
Flash forward a couple of hundred years, and one of his descendants in America, a "Tunis Mucklewaine", was employed as an "indian spy" in the settlements around Tygart's Valley in what is now West Virginia. He ran a route of about 60 miles round trip looking for signs of indian incursions into the settlements to warn the settlements of impending attacks. That one was 14 years old when that service started.
Those MCElwaines were "Scotch-Irish" by virtue of having originated in Scotland, but were transported to the Plantations in Northern Ireland, for somehow being troublesome, where they spent about a hundred years before moving on to America. So, Scottish and Irish by way of the Plantations.
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