(10-24-2023, 04:00 PM)quintessentone Wrote: The majority of Muslims do not interpret their holy book as the Jihad do, at least that is what non-terrorist Muslims keep saying.
The Qur'an is not the only thing that Islam rides upon. Like Catholicism, Islam has a body of "traditions" that it adds to it's holy book, and those traditions can be and often are used to "modify" what this sect or that thinks the Qur'an REALLY means. Some of these traditions are called "hadith", and often contradict one another, depending on what the writer wanted the Qur'an to mean at any particular point in history.
If Islam were merely a religion, the argument regarding how one or another interprets their holy book might hold more weight. However, Islam is not merely a religion. Religious aspects are merely one facet of what is actually a complete religious-social-economic-legal system.It's not just a religion, it is a society to itself, a cult compound writ large.
Some will use "fudging words" like "most" to imply that vague generalizations are actually concrete facts. I would say that perhaps 20% of Muslims have managed to step out of the dark ages to one degree or another, but 80% still adhere to one form or another of Medieval Islam. They firmly believe that the west must die so that Islam can reign supreme over the former western lands, and eventually the entire Earth.
20% does not meet my definition of "most".
Islam has always been, and still is, spread by conquest and violence. It sits in the same place that the Catholic Church sat in from the collapse of the Roman Empire until the Renaissance. Just as Catholics were a violent, bloodthirsty, and avaricious bunch back in those days, so Islam is now. Just as the Inquisition was instituted to spread Catholicism by force, and kill everyone who didn't agree with Catholics, so Islam is today.
Palestinians are a strange bunch. They are no more "native" to what is now Israel than the Ashkenazi Jews are. They came flooding into the area from other Arab lands - Lebanon, Jordan, Syria, and Egypt primarily - after the Jews had come to the coastal strip of Israel and started making it bloom again by farming it. When Israel was given to the Jews there as a homeland, the "Johnyy-come-lately Palestinians" got pretty butt hurt that they weren't the ones running the show, and the Palestinian Wars began in earnest. When the "Palestinians" lost to the Jews for supremacy, they weren't actually deported, they self-deported and ran away to fight another day. They were not "pushed off their homelands" as is claimed now, they left their homelands to take someone else's homeland, and then ran away squealing after they took an ass-whoopin'.
It's not that they actually hated Jews at the time, it's just that, as Muslims, they thought they should be living under Islamic government and Shari'a Law rather than under any other system of government, and the Jews were standing in the way of that.
Over time, that has morphed somewhat into a hatred of Jews for ruling what they believe should be Islamic lands by right of conquest - Muslims conquered the area in the mid 7th century from the Christian Byzantines (whom they called, and still do call "al-Rum" - "The Romans"), moved in, and took over. What many westerners don't realize is they feel the same way about Spain and parts of France - which they still, to this day, call "al-Andalus" - because at one time they also ruled there, again by right of conquest. That is the reason for the recent mass immigration of Muslims back into France. They intend to take it back again.
Islam has been spread by war, blood, and the sword since the days of Mohammed, and we are just witnessing a resurgence of that conqueror ethos. Islam gives the victims of it's conquests 3 choices: convert to Islam, or acknowledge the superiority of your Islamic masters and live as animals under their heel with no open religion, or die. Paying the jizya tax is your acknowledgement of their superiority. If you are not a Muslim under their rule, then you are less than fully human. During the days of slavery in America, a slave counted as 2/3 of a human. Under Islam, a non-Muslim is 1/3 of a human.
There are only two populations on God's Green Earth that, if I woke up tomorrow and they had all been eradicated, I would not lose a wink of sleep over it, and Palestinians are one of those populations. Not Muslims in general, not Arabs in general, just Palestinians. Even other Arab countries refuse to give them refuge, because everywhere they have gone, they have tried to take over Most notably in their original homelands of Lebanon (the Lebanese "civil war"), Jordan (the "Black September" war), and Egypt. They've been less troublesome in Syria, because the Syrians weren't having it, and no trouble at all in Saudi Arabia, because they've never been allowed to settle there, because the Saudis would kill them all at the first sign of an attempted uprising.
I have no use for Palestinians. Hamas may be the ones doing the raiding, but the Palestinians in Gaza are the ones loading their magazines and supporting them in their attempts at conquest. If the entire Gaza strip were converted into a thermic mist hovering over an entirely glass surface tomorrow, I wouldn't bat an eye.
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