Looks like the war with Iran is cooking off

[Ninurta]

In my view zionism/zionist are enemy of Judaism , they are not same thing.

So,  it`s not the Jooz issue. It`s  nationalist political movement ,zionism ....and they dont seem to believe any boundaries whatsoever for executing their agenda .

Not going to write list here .

An interesting concept. Growing up, the only people I heard complaining about "Zionists" were folks like the KKK. They were awfully vocal about the "ZOG", or "Zionist Occupation Government", but none could actually point me to a Zionist. When asked, they'd just indicate a Jew, any Jew. The last confirmed sighting of the KKK was in 1979 in Greensboro, NC, at Morningside Homes. I presume they've gone defunct now, because I've not seen or heard of them since.

After that, Arabs of my acquaintance took up the chant of "Zionist"... but they were also the same people who think the Crusades are still a thing. When asked to point out a "Zionist", they too just pointed to a Jew, any Jew. They are still doing that.

After the Arabs, I started hearing it from the American Leftists... but they too failed to be able to point me to an actual  Zionist. And for me it all traces back to what the KKK was squealing about all those years ago. From my perspective they're the ones that started the whole conspiracy theory around "Zionism".

So, what "boundaries" have these alleged Zionists ignored? You don't have to give a whole listing, just the most egregious example or two will probably do. As a nationalist movement, have they ignored a border somewhere or something? Under what circumstances?

In any event, and despite the best efforts of the KKK, the Arabs, and the internet,  I'm not going to fear any Zionists until someone can point one out to me and show me how he or she is a danger to much of anything at all.

On another thing , the whole Iran-Israel-US  diplomacy have failed terrible , everyone is guilty , but this time US/ Israel started war during negotions,including killing their supreme leader .... which is such amateur behavior that i will say they fucked up .

On diplomacy you have to be willing to give also something to the counterpart . But this time Trump seems to make just bullying and threats . A failure on basic diplomatc rules IMO . So what can Iran then think ?  that negotions cant work and so they consider being in " nothing to loose" situation .

U.S. Negotiators Were Ill-Prepared for Serious Nuclear Negotiations with Iran

March 11, 2026
Less than 48 hours before the U.S. and Israeli coordinated strikes on Iran began on Feb. 28, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in Geneva for a third round of Omani-mediated talks aimed at reaching a nuclear agreement.
Despite Omani Foreign Minister Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi’s assessment that the United States and Iran made “substantial progress” toward a nuclear deal during the Feb. 26 talks and the agreement to meet again on March 2 for technical talks, Trump  said he was “not happy” with the progress or the “way they’re negotiating.” The following day, the United States and Israel illegally attacked Iran, using Tehran’s nuclear program as one justification for the attack.
By the time the third round of talks ended in Geneva, Trump had likely already made the decision to go to war. It is unlikely that any outcome short of complete Iranian capitulation to U.S. demands at the negotiating table would have averted the strikes.
But Trump’s dissatisfaction and impatience with the negotiating process appear to have been fed, in part, by Witkoff and Kushner’s accounts of the U.S.-Iran talks. Comments made by Witkoff in two background briefings with reporters on Feb. 28 and March 3, as well as media appearances since the strikes began, made clear that Witkoff did not have sufficient technical expertise or diplomatic experience to engage in effective diplomacy. His lack of knowledge and mischaracterization of Iran’s positions and nuclear program throughout the process likely informed Trump’s assessment that talks were not progressing and Iran was not negotiating seriously.

Iran has never negotiated with the US in good faith. They have always used diplomatic negotiations as a means to buy time to increase their armaments. They have always expected the US to negotiate in good faith, however, because up until recently that's what the US has done. They actually tried to reach some sort of solution while Iran was just buying time. The flaw was that the US was looking for solutions that were entirely unworkable.

In this last round of negotiations, I think Trump beat Iran at their own game. He appears to have been buying time for a military buildup, just as the Iranians have always done. He seems to have made strong demands that he knew the Iranians would never agree to, just to keep them tied up in negotiations while he built up military forces.

As I've said before, many times, diplomacy is the fine art of saying "nice doggie" until you get your hands on a big stick or rock. What Trump did is how it's done.

He seems to have never had any intention of negotiating, nor should he have. Iran declared the war 47 years ago. He's just bringing it to bear now. No reason to negotiate or employ diplomacy. Those things are only for when the enemy is ready to surrender. Iran seems not to be ready for that yet, so diplomacy is futile. They made the mistake of thinking they had the US on the ropes because we have not answered their invitation to war in 47 years, so they apparently thought this was the diplomatic end game for the US, and appear to have bee ready to accept our surrender.

Oops.

Never mistake someone ignoring an invitation to fight for their willingness to surrender. That's the mistake Iran made here.

No one started bombing during negotiations. The negotiations were over. The Iranians ended them by threatening to build 10 nuclear warheads out of the 460 kg of enriched uranium they claimed to have. that threat was not a good negotiating tactic... it was game over for them.

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[quintessentone]

In my view zionism/zionist are enemy of Judaism , they are not same thing.

So,  it`s not the Jooz issue. It`s  nationalist political movement ,zionism ....and they dont seem to believe any boundaries whatsoever for executing their agenda .

Not going to write list here .


On another thing , the whole Iran-Israel-US  diplomacy have failed terrible , everyone is guilty , but this time US/ Israel started war during negotions,including killing their supreme leader .... which is such amateur behavior that i will say they fucked up .

On diplomacy you have to be willing to give also something to the counterpart . But this time Trump seems to make just bullying and threats . A failure on basic diplomatc rules IMO . So what can Iran then think ?  that negotions cant work and so they consider being in " nothing to loose" situation .

U.S. Negotiators Were Ill-Prepared for Serious Nuclear Negotiations with Iran

March 11, 2026
Less than 48 hours before the U.S. and Israeli coordinated strikes on Iran began on Feb. 28, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in Geneva for a third round of Omani-mediated talks aimed at reaching a nuclear agreement.
Despite Omani Foreign Minister Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi’s assessment that the United States and Iran made “substantial progress” toward a nuclear deal during the Feb. 26 talks and the agreement to meet again on March 2 for technical talks, Trump  said he was “not happy” with the progress or the “way they’re negotiating.” The following day, the United States and Israel illegally attacked Iran, using Tehran’s nuclear program as one justification for the attack.
By the time the third round of talks ended in Geneva, Trump had likely already made the decision to go to war. It is unlikely that any outcome short of complete Iranian capitulation to U.S. demands at the negotiating table would have averted the strikes.
But Trump’s dissatisfaction and impatience with the negotiating process appear to have been fed, in part, by Witkoff and Kushner’s accounts of the U.S.-Iran talks. Comments made by Witkoff in two background briefings with reporters on Feb. 28 and March 3, as well as media appearances since the strikes began, made clear that Witkoff did not have sufficient technical expertise or diplomatic experience to engage in effective diplomacy. His lack of knowledge and mischaracterization of Iran’s positions and nuclear program throughout the process likely informed Trump’s assessment that talks were not progressing and Iran was not negotiating seriously.

I see the Zionist movement is engrained in your country. Which Zionist billionaires buy which political candidates again?

"Miriam Adelson & family is ranked #12 on the Forbes Israel 2025 list of the World's Jewish Billionaires, with a net worth of $34.9 billion, primarily from casinos.  She is a prominent Zionist donor and was noted by Donald Trump as having more access to the White House than anyone else. 


Other notable pro-Israel US billionaires include:

• Larry Ellison (Oracle, #1 globally, $213.7B) – Major donor to Israel’s military and defense projects. 
  
• Michael Bloomberg (Bloomberg LP, #7 globally, $104.7B) – Donated millions to Israeli medical services and received the Genesis Prize. 
  
• Sheldon Adelson (deceased, casinos) – One of the largest Israel donors, funding Birthright Israel, Yad Vashem, and pro-Israel political causes. 
  
• Michael Dell (Dell Technologies, #6 globally, $113.5B) – Donated to Friends of the IDF and supported Israel through philanthropy. 
  
• William (Bill) Ackman (Hedge funds, #52 globally, $9.0B) – Vocal advocate for Israel, publicly supported Israel during the October 7 conflict and criticized Harvard over antisemitism. 
  
• Marc Benioff (Salesforce, #37 globally, $11.2B) – Co-founder of Salesforce and owner of TIME Magazine; a known supporter of Israel. " (LLM)
  

Zionist movement name dropping:

"William E. Blackstone was a pivotal early figure in American Christian Zionism, advocating for Jewish return to Palestine through his 1891 Blackstone Memorial, a petition signed by prominent Americans including political leaders and industrialists. 


John Nelson Darby, a British theologian, laid the intellectual groundwork for modern Christian Zionism through his development of dispensationalism, a theological framework that emphasized the literal return of Jews to Israel as a precursor to the Second Coming of Christ.  His teachings significantly influenced American evangelical leaders.

Jerry Falwell, a conservative Baptist pastor and founder of the Moral Majority, became a major force in the 1980s, using his media empire (Liberty Broadcasting Network, Old Time Gospel Hour) to promote Christian Zionism and mobilize political support for Israel.  He famously declared, “To stand against Israel is to stand against God.” 

Pat Robertson, founder of the Christian Broadcasting Network (CBN) and the Christian Coalition, combined religious broadcasting with political activism, promoting the idea that Israel’s survival was divinely ordained and tied to end-times prophecy. 

Billy Graham, while more moderate than some, supported Israel based on his belief in the biblical significance of the Jewish people and their return to the Holy Land, helping to legitimize Christian Zionist views within mainstream evangelicalism. 

John Hagee, founder of Christians United for Israel (CUFI) in 2006, has become one of the most influential contemporary Christian Zionist leaders, leading a group with over 10 million members and actively lobbying U.S. policymakers. 
Mike Huckabee, former governor of Arkansas and Republican presidential candidate, has publicly aligned with Christian Zionist views, emphasizing the spiritual connection between Christianity and Israel and advocating for policies that support Israeli sovereignty. " (LLM)

[Kenzo1]

In my view zionism/zionist are enemy of Judaism , they are not same thing.

So,  it`s not the Jooz issue. It`s  nationalist political movement ,zionism ....and they dont seem to believe any boundaries whatsoever for executing their agenda .

Not going to write list here .

An interesting concept. Growing up, the only people I heard complaining about "Zionists" were folks like the KKK. They were awfully vocal about the "ZOG", or "Zionist Occupation Government", but none could actually point me to a Zionist. When asked, they'd just indicate a Jew, any Jew. The last confirmed sighting of the KKK was in 1979 in Greensboro, NC, at Morningside Homes. I presume they've gone defunct now, because I've not seen or heard of them since.

After that, Arabs of my acquaintance took up the chant of "Zionist"... but they were also the same people who think the Crusades are still a thing. When asked to point out a "Zionist", they too just pointed to a Jew, any Jew. They are still doing that.

After the Arabs, I started hearing it from the American Leftists... but they too failed to be able to point me to an actual  Zionist. And for me it all traces back to what the KKK was squealing about all those years ago. From my perspective they're the ones that started the whole conspiracy theory around "Zionism".

So, what "boundaries" have these alleged Zionists ignored? You don't have to give a whole listing, just the most egregious example or two will probably do. As a nationalist movement, have they ignored a border somewhere or something? Under what circumstances?

In any event, and despite the best efforts of the KKK, the Arabs, and the internet,  I'm not going to fear any Zionists until someone can point one out to me and show me how he or she is a danger to much of anything at all.

On another thing , the whole Iran-Israel-US  diplomacy have failed terrible , everyone is guilty , but this time US/ Israel started war during negotions,including killing their supreme leader .... which is such amateur behavior that i will say they fucked up .

On diplomacy you have to be willing to give also something to the counterpart . But this time Trump seems to make just bullying and threats . A failure on basic diplomatc rules IMO . So what can Iran then think ?  that negotions cant work and so they consider being in " nothing to loose" situation .

U.S. Negotiators Were Ill-Prepared for Serious Nuclear Negotiations with Iran

March 11, 2026
Less than 48 hours before the U.S. and Israeli coordinated strikes on Iran began on Feb. 28, U.S. Special Envoy Steve Witkoff and President Donald Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner met with Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi in Geneva for a third round of Omani-mediated talks aimed at reaching a nuclear agreement.
Despite Omani Foreign Minister Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi’s assessment that the United States and Iran made “substantial progress” toward a nuclear deal during the Feb. 26 talks and the agreement to meet again on March 2 for technical talks, Trump  said he was “not happy” with the progress or the “way they’re negotiating.” The following day, the United States and Israel illegally attacked Iran, using Tehran’s nuclear program as one justification for the attack.
By the time the third round of talks ended in Geneva, Trump had likely already made the decision to go to war. It is unlikely that any outcome short of complete Iranian capitulation to U.S. demands at the negotiating table would have averted the strikes.
But Trump’s dissatisfaction and impatience with the negotiating process appear to have been fed, in part, by Witkoff and Kushner’s accounts of the U.S.-Iran talks. Comments made by Witkoff in two background briefings with reporters on Feb. 28 and March 3, as well as media appearances since the strikes began, made clear that Witkoff did not have sufficient technical expertise or diplomatic experience to engage in effective diplomacy. His lack of knowledge and mischaracterization of Iran’s positions and nuclear program throughout the process likely informed Trump’s assessment that talks were not progressing and Iran was not negotiating seriously.

Iran has never negotiated with the US in good faith. They have always used diplomatic negotiations as a means to buy time to increase their armaments. They have always expected the US to negotiate in good faith, however, because up until recently that's what the US has done. They actually tried to reach some sort of solution while Iran was just buying time. The flaw was that the US was looking for solutions that were entirely unworkable.

In this last round of negotiations, I think Trump beat Iran at their own game. He appears to have been buying time for a military buildup, just as the Iranians have always done. He seems to have made strong demands that he knew the Iranians would never agree to, just to keep them tied up in negotiations while he built up military forces.

As I've said before, many times, diplomacy is the fine art of saying "nice doggie" until you get your hands on a big stick or rock. What Trump did is how it's done.

He seems to have never had any intention of negotiating, nor should he have. Iran declared the war 47 years ago. He's just bringing it to bear now. No reason to negotiate or employ diplomacy. Those things are only for when the enemy is ready to surrender. Iran seems not to be ready for that yet, so diplomacy is futile. They made the mistake of thinking they had the US on the ropes because we have not answered their invitation to war in 47 years, so they apparently thought this was the diplomatic end game for the US, and appear to have bee ready to accept our surrender.

Oops.

Never mistake someone ignoring an invitation to fight for their willingness to surrender. That's the mistake Iran made here.

No one started bombing during negotiations. The negotiations were over. The Iranians ended them by threatening to build 10 nuclear warheads out of the 460 kg of enriched uranium they claimed to have. that threat was not a good negotiating tactic... it was game over for them.

.

Are you pretending  to not knowing what mossad and mossad sister agencies do ?  It starts with letter A  ....might be related to JFK also .

Anyone can find information if want .

The " negotiations" were not in real spirit , the end goal was to start war against Iran . By giving totally unacceptable conditions as ultimatum to Iran they knew Iran could never accept .

[Ninurta]

Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?

I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.

So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.

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[Ninurta]

Are you pretending  to not knowing what mossad and mossad sister agencies do ?  It starts with letter A  ....might be related to JFK also .

Anyone can find information if want .

The " negotiations" were not in real spirit , the end goal was to start war against Iran . By giving totally unacceptable conditions as ultimatum to Iran they knew Iran could never accept .

No, I'm not pretending anything. I'm telling you flat out that I still don't care what Mossad does. That doesn't factor in to this beyond what they can help the US to do to defeat Iran. They can either help, or stay out of the way.

The negotiations have NEVER been in good faith. Never. They have always been just one side or the other buying time to arm up. This time it was the US's turn.

The goal was not to start a war against Iran, it was to finish the war Iran started 47 years ago. "Could" accept and "would" accept are two entirely different things. The US gave Iran an ultimatum, Iran upped the ante by threatening nukes and admitting to having enough enriched uranium to start building bombs, and the negotiations were over.

That was when the explosions started. and it was way past time for it.

47 years past time for it.

Iran needs to be under new , secular, management, and has desperately needed that for 47 years. The Mad Mullahs, Ayatollahs, and Clerics need to get back into their mosques and out of government. If they refuse to do that, then they need to be planted in the ground. Politics and religion don't mix well - the mixture makes everyone crazy.

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[putnam6]

There's a more optimistic viewpoint around if you look. LOL, can you imagine RN during the 1979 Iranian Hostage crisis? 

Talk about dire times. 

The fact of the matter is, this is unprecedented; in 1979, the incoming authoritarian Islamists did not have to worry about internal Iranian military or police. So much has changed, 

I can see the wide range of opinions, but as always, the truth is likely closer to the middle. 

Iran is unknown for the moment, but Lebanon is looking like it's ridding itself of Hezbollah; there's never been real peace in Lebanon, Beirut, Beqqua Valley, Litani River in my 60-plus years. Hopefully

[Kenzo1]

Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?

I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.

So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.

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People need to understand more what was the basic orthodox Jews were alike ,past times before zionism entered the picture . One common stereotypes were : cast them as "unmanly," weak, or physically passive . Like people who want to read more book than do some othe " manly" activities .

Zionism wanted to change this , but it also then change what Judaism is .

It`s not just same ball game anymore....it`s not even same the sport.  But Judaism is not the only religion where things can go South , there`s deep issues in Christianity , Islam also . 



We just need to see through the bs and try be basic human beings again . Evangelical Christian Zionism is not good either , it`s absurb crap .


It`s not the Jew`s  . As there are also a lot Jew`s that are anti-zionist .

[OmegaLogos]

Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?

I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.

So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.

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Explanation: Good point and well stated! 

Personal Disclosure: As I understand it, to be a Zionist is, no matter who or what you are, that you support the modern creation of the secular state of Israel AND its right to self defense, which would make me a tacit token Zionist. I think the Jewish people of the Jewish Diaspora, who lost their homeland, world wide since the Romans slaughtered most of them in Judea about 2000 years ago, after a biblical prophesy by Jesus was fulfilled, deserved to recreate it as best they could when they could and where they could, even if they had to lie, kill, backstab supposed friends, create false flags that ended up with other Jewish people being killed, generate conspiracy theories about themselves and MORE than that even etc! 

The reason I say that is because we have two things that stand out about the Jewish people, aka the remnants (1 tribe out of 12) of the historic biblical nation known as ISRAEL ... 1stly they have been thrown out of 200+ nations since that time after being invited in and then due to being restricted in work practices to only be allowed to deal in gold and banking and loansharking money to typically Christian Popes and Christian Royalty, so as to conduct wars against their 'Christian' royal neighbors or conversely have a crusade against the Islamic Muslims invading Europe, commonly known as the Moors, via URSURY based loans, which Jewish people are forbidden by the Torah from using on their own people and Medieval Christians where also forbidden by the Catholic church from being used against their fellow Christians etc, but somewhere along the line [pls go and read the William Shakespeare play called the Merchant of Venice ok. Remember SHYLOCK AND HIS POUND OF FLESH DEAL?] it became fully acceptable for Jewish banksta's to use URSURY against Christian Royals, who wanted a local war for whatever economic and political reasons and were willing to make a deal with the 'devils' known as the killers of Christ, and over 2000+ years of that we have the Ashkenazi Jews with a 5 to 10 points higher IQ than even the hyper intelligent Asians living in wester soicety and culture, due to evolutionary forces at play that forced them to evolve to be highly deceptively cunning and extraordinary mathematical geniuses, since although they were basically gifted the role of being bankers, they were despised as Christ killers and reviled as URSURY using bastards and were subsequently thrown out of 200+ nations over that 2000 year time frame, which sorta suited the Christian Royals who would rather not pay that high compound interest bearing loans that they had made contact with the Jewish people and subsequently money/gold loan contracts with in the first place. EVERYONE DESERVES A HOME! And when ones culture has taken a serious beating for 2000+ years that has certain effects, [such as MOSSAD and their motto "By deception, we will wage WAR!"] that play out in the worlds geo-economic-political sphere of today! Such is the nature of being both BLESSED Chosen Ones of GOD and also CURSED Pariahs for being the killers of GOD [aka Jesus]! 

I also have read but can't recall which old testament scriptures that refer to the historic biblical nation of ISRAEL being a CURSE to OTHER nations and used by GOD to punish those other nations for whatever reasons GOD had for doing so at that time in ancient history, but I am sure I read them once upon a time and that those scriptures exist and yet I am currently too lazy to go looking for them and you'll just have to trust me on that matter ok [or go look them up yourselves pls].

In summing that all up I'd like to quote SHYLOCK from Shakespeare's play ...by using this Youtube video ...



AND 2ndly ...
Due to the above factors that I have just laid out, the Jewish people and their culture was RESTRICTED to living in GHETTO's for centuries ... and here is a song by Elvis Presley about that kind of shithole ...

 

Ghetto's don't discriminate, they will take anyone and everyone, regardless of skin color and or race, high to low intelligence, young or old, well and firm or sick and infirm, sane or insane, rich, middle income or poor, males and or females ... and the GHETTO will chew them up and spit them back out as broken people leaving generational broken fatherless families, promiscuous welfare queen widows married to the government state with half a dozen+ orphaned lower public schooled educated children by different absent alcohol and drug fueled violent gangbanger fathers ... with all of them fighting for their very lives against everybody else, to just survive and possibly hope and pray and one day escape the Ghetto slum they find themselves trapped within.

IF anyone doesn't think that that ^^^^ [specific examples would be the Jewish Ghetto's in NAZI Germany during WW2 and their subsequent Armageddon Extermination Pogrom re: up to 6million Jewish deaths in the Nazi Death camps] hasn't had deeply marked affect upon the ancient and also recent psyke of the Jewish people, then I don't think nor feel that such people are being logical, rational, reasonable, selfless human beings possessing the ability to think deeply upon these matters with empathy and compassion for their fellow Homo-Sapiens aka MANKIND, and are instead the monsters we need to most be concerned about. 

I hope that explains the bare minimum about Zionism, Israel [both ancient and recent] and the Jewish peoples outlook and motives behind this war in Iran. IF not then I did try my best ok! 

NOTE: I don't like the religious Israeli's use of the TALMUD oral histories that I personally find totally abhorrent and utterly disgusting for reasons that I will not get into in this thread. 
IF one wishes to discuss those things with me then pls access this thread of mine ...

Putting The Puzzle Together. The Cyclic Circle OF Satanic Strife!

Well done to Ninurta for not falling for my trap about the use of nooks in this war, as they have seen through the ploy and been able to carefully dissect it and make very highly well thought out logical rational empathic and compassionate reasons against the use of nooks. Congratulations, You have earned mucho respect from me! 

[putnam6]

There are positive signs, 

China is most displeased wth the disruption in shipping through the strait, China gets the majority of it's oil through there, the US not so much

 Getting a 47-year, 90-million-person Islamic authoritarian country to reverse course takes time. 

It's like an avalanche, it starts slow if some can hold thier water just a little longer, already a few Iranian diplomats and attaches have filed for asylum. 

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For perspective, the bellwether is,  

if and when Pahlavi returns, Uncle Sam won't allow it until there's a good chance for success 



Ayatollah Khomeini returned to Iran from exile (his final stop in Neauphle-le-Château near Paris, France) on February 1, 1979.From the start of the revolution in early January 1978 to his arrival:

• It took approximately 13 months (or roughly 1 year and 25 days).
  
• More precisely: From January 7/9, 1978, to February 1, 1979, that's about 390–392 days.
  

This period saw intensifying mass demonstrations, strikes (especially in late 1978), the Shah's flight into exile on January 16, 1979, and the revolution's climax with the monarchy's fall on February 11, 1979—just 10 days after Khomeini's return.

Reza Pahlavi | رضا پهلوی

Fellow compatriots,

Important and decisive days lie ahead.

While you prepare yourselves for the final phase of the struggle, I emphasize that you should refrain from taking to the streets for now. Do not approach government, military, or law enforcement centers, nor the organizational housing affiliated with the apparatus of repression.

The Islamic Republic uses schools, mosques, and other public places to hide its repressive forces and create human shields. Stay away from such places for your own safety.

And my special message to government employees: Do not show up at your workplace under any circumstances. Do not sacrifice your life and security for the survival of the Islamic Republic. Do not allow yourselves to be used as human shields. Do not let your work and activities become a tool for the repression of your fellow compatriots. Use your facilities and access to disrupt the process of repression and to help the people.

Long live Iran,
Reza Pahlavi

@OfficialRezaPahlavi

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Likely war-related,

 we are about to get an update, shelter in place for now no confirmed casualties EXCEPT

supposedly the subject, students have been evacuated. Sounds like security engaged and shot the suspect





and this...





Nick Sortor
@nicksortor
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1h
? BREAKING: A gunman is DEAD after opening fire at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Virginia

Police responded VERY quickly, resulting in only TWO people injured by the shooter

The extent of their injuries is unknown.

Pray for them! ??

[Ninurta]

Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?

I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.

So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.

.

Explanation: Good point and well stated! 

Personal Disclosure: As I understand it, to be a Zionist is, no matter who or what you are, that you support the modern creation of the secular state of Israel AND its right to self defense, which would make me a tacit token Zionist. I think the Jewish people of the Jewish Diaspora, who lost their homeland, world wide since the Romans slaughtered most of them in Judea about 2000 years ago, after a biblical prophesy by Jesus was fulfilled, deserved to recreate it as best they could when they could and where they could, even if they had to lie, kill, backstab supposed friends, create false flags that ended up with other Jewish people being killed, generate conspiracy theories about themselves and MORE than that even etc! 

...

 

Thank you for the attempt at explanation. I'm seriously trying to understand this.

So, if a person thinks that all nations have a right to exist, and a right to defend themselves, he or she is a "Zionist". If a person believe that all nations have a right to exist, and to defend themselves, EXCEPT Israel, he or she is not a Zionist, if I'm understanding it correctly.

What then is the difference in those two viewpoints? The nation of Israel is the only difference in them I can see. One says Israel has the same rights as any other nation, the other makes a difference in the matter of Israel's existence, singling it out as the only nation on Earth without the rights other nations are supposed to have.

What sets Israel apart from everyone else, and denies their right to exist? They have a secular government, just like most other nations, rather than a theocracy as Iran has currently. So, no real difference there. What IS the difference then?

They are a homeland for Jews, a place to go if they have no other place to go. That appears to me to be the singular difference between Israel and the rest of the nations on Earth.

If that is the only difference, and it is the only one I've been able to tease out of the discussion so far, then really it DOES just boil down to an animosity towards "dem jooz". Not necessarily a hatred towards the State, but more of a hatred towards the people composing that State. That's the only conclusion I can draw so far, since that is the only difference between that state and almost all the others.

Now don't get me wrong. I've dealt with Jews, and have never been treated well or hospitably by one. They seem, for the most part, to have a chip on their shoulder, and have a long history of looking down their noses at me because they perceive themselves to be "better than", That's just a fact. Perhaps not a universal one, since I've not met all the Jews on Earth, but still a valid one, since every Jew I've dealt with has had that attitude towards me. I've even guarded them at their synagogues, in times of danger when Arabs were threatening to attack them. I've carried a gun in their defense in such times, and put my own one-and-only precious body between them and the threats. And still, even at those times, they looked down on me. It is what it is. Maybe they were upset that a non-Jew was toting a gun around their synagogues. I'll never know, because they would not even lower themselves to speak to me.

They have even, upon occasion, lowered themselves far enough to interfere in my personal life, just to have a slap at me. That's just been my experience of them.

Arabs have invited me to share in their Eid al-Fitr feasts. One Arab even went out of his way to bring me a couple pounds of meat from the Eid goat they had sacrficied, just because I had mentioned in passing that I liked goat meat, but had not had any for a long time. He made a special trip, just to deliver that goat meat. No Jew has ever so  much as invited me to share a meal of matzos and gefilte fish.

For all that, I can still not bring myself to deny them a right to exist, which I suppose, according to the developing definition, also makes of me a "Zionist". 

I bear no great love for Jews, but neither do I deny them the right to exist. After saying the above, I also am forced to admit that, out of all the groups on this old world I have ever dealt with, they are one of the few, if not the only, group who has not, at one time or another, either wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Sure, they've acted in an untoward manner towards me, but that has never extended to an effort to deny MY right to exist, and so I must, in fairness, extend them the same "courtesy", if that is what it is to be considered.

Arabs have tried to kill me, yet I still maintain friends among them. "Palestinians" (really just a subset of Arabs gathered from the 4 corners of Arabdom for the sole purpose of denying a Jewish right to exist) have wished me dead, yet I still maintain friends among them. Among the Jews, I have never, ever, had a friend, and yet they are the only group who has never wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Behaved cooly towards me, yes, but they have never thrown a bomb or lead at me... and behaving cooly towards me is not a reason to end them, it's just a reason to go on my merry way and ignore them.

I'm certainly not willing to lay the blame for all the ills of the world upon them... especially when I've seen with my own eyes where "evil" comes from. Just giving me the cold shoulder is not a reason to exterminate them, or their nation, in my opinion.

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[Kenzo1]

Well this is just crawling all over the map, now ain't it?

I'm being told that Zionism isn't the same as Judaism, it's a form of Nationalism. Then I'm told well, maybe it is the Jews, but only the rich ones. Then I'm told, well, maybe any rich person is a Zionist. Then I'm told it's the Christians, they're the Zionists. Then I'm told that it's pretty much anyone that thinks nations should exist.

So maybe I should just go back to the simpler and original KKK definition of it just being "dem jooz". Otherwise, it seems to be everyone on Earth.

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Explanation: Good point and well stated! 

Personal Disclosure: As I understand it, to be a Zionist is, no matter who or what you are, that you support the modern creation of the secular state of Israel AND its right to self defense, which would make me a tacit token Zionist. I think the Jewish people of the Jewish Diaspora, who lost their homeland, world wide since the Romans slaughtered most of them in Judea about 2000 years ago, after a biblical prophesy by Jesus was fulfilled, deserved to recreate it as best they could when they could and where they could, even if they had to lie, kill, backstab supposed friends, create false flags that ended up with other Jewish people being killed, generate conspiracy theories about themselves and MORE than that even etc! 

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Thank you for the attempt at explanation. I'm seriously trying to understand this.

So, if a person thinks that all nations have a right to exist, and a right to defend themselves, he or she is a "Zionist". If a person believe that all nations have a right to exist, and to defend themselves, EXCEPT Israel, he or she is not a Zionist, if I'm understanding it correctly.

What then is the difference in those two viewpoints? The nation of Israel is the only difference in them I can see. One says Israel has the same rights as any other nation, the other makes a difference in the matter of Israel's existence, singling it out as the only nation on Earth without the rights other nations are supposed to have.

What sets Israel apart from everyone else, and denies their right to exist? They have a secular government, just like most other nations, rather than a theocracy as Iran has currently. So, no real difference there. What IS the difference then?

They are a homeland for Jews, a place to go if they have no other place to go. That appears to me to be the singular difference between Israel and the rest of the nations on Earth.

If that is the only difference, and it is the only one I've been able to tease out of the discussion so far, then really it DOES just boil down to an animosity towards "dem jooz". Not necessarily a hatred towards the State, but more of a hatred towards the people composing that State. That's the only conclusion I can draw so far, since that is the only difference between that state and almost all the others.

Now don't get me wrong. I've dealt with Jews, and have never been treated well or hospitably by one. They seem, for the most part, to have a chip on their shoulder, and have a long history of looking down their noses at me because they perceive themselves to be "better than", That's just a fact. Perhaps not a universal one, since I've not met all the Jews on Earth, but still a valid one, since every Jew I've dealt with has had that attitude towards me. I've even guarded them at their synagogues, in times of danger when Arabs were threatening to attack them. I've carried a gun in their defense in such times, and put my own one-and-only precious body between them and the threats. And still, even at those times, they looked down on me. It is what it is. Maybe they were upset that a non-Jew was toting a gun around their synagogues. I'll never know,because they would not even lower themselves to speak to me.

They have even, upon occasion, lowered themselves far enough to interfere in my personal life, just to have a slap at me. That's just been my experience of them.

For all that, I can still not bring myself to deny them a right to exist, which I suppose, according to the developing definition, also makes of me a "Zionist". 

I bear no great love for Jews, but neither do I deny them the right to exist. After saying the above, I also am forced to admit that, out of all the groups on this old world I have ever dealt with, they are one of the few, if not the only, group who has not, at one time or another, either wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Sure, they've acted in an untoward manner towards me, but that has never extended to an effort to deny MY right to exist, and so I must, in fairness, extend them the same "courtesy", if that is what it is to be considered.

Arabs have tried to kill me, yet I still maintain friends among them. "Palestinians" (really just a subset of Arabs gathered from the 4 corners of Arabdom for the sole purpose of denying a Jewish right to exist) have wished me dead, yet I still maintain friends among them. Among the Jews, I have never, ever, had a friend, and yet they are the only group who has never wished me dead or actively tried to kill me. Behaved cooly towards me, yes, but they have never thrown a bomb or lead at me... and behaving cooly towards me is not a reason to end them, it's just a reason to go on my merry way and ignore them.

I'm certainly not willing to lay the blame for all the ills of the world upon them... especially when I've seen with my own eyes where "evil" comes from. Just giving me the cold shoulder is not a reason to exterminate them, or their nation, in my opinion.

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The problem is zionist in israel are heretical indoctrinated fake ideology that are suicidal ,acting like being is killing spree is normal state ....it is not.

Israel attacks central Beirut in escalation of deadly assault on Lebanon

They are out of their freaking minds , a danger to themselves , and also everyone else . They can be jews in other countries, America etc...Israelis can practice judaism many places.

They created monster , it`s just escalation after escalation with no end .

Ideally they would live in the current Israel yes and live happy life. But they turned to zionism and it`s not then all compatible with all other people in the ME and creates chronic problems that start also accumulate .

It`s not just Judaism ....they twisted it and use it`s name to justify all doings.

We are now near WW3 because the not compatible ideology . They need to start  looking mirror and  acting mature.

Everyone there need to start  looking mirror and  acting mature, hamas , Iran ...

Seems like Hezbollah fire rockets from Lebanon , so yes ok Israel then responds .  it`s just the same never ending story .

At some point, someone might get idea to use nuke . Then who has the last laugh. It`s madness .

This will eventually turn against Israel , and they should at least try understand it .

[SomeJackleg]

what i'm seeing and reading is, it was ordinary people that act as security who got the terrorist. 
just like during the founding of this country where the parishioners came to church, temple, packing to fend off all the terrorist natives. 

thank God for the second amendment

[Chiefsmom]

I don't know about Zionists and whatever else, how deep this may go.

I've just been watching video's from regular, ordinary Iranians.  (I believe)
90% of them seem to be happy with what is going on, hoping they really can have democracy.
With the claim of thousands being murdered for the protests they had there, I can see why.

I really hope they get to rule their own country.  And the women there become free.

[Ninurta]

The problem is zionist in israel are heretical indoctrinated fake ideology that are suicidal ,acting like being is killing spree is normal state ....it is not.

Israel attacks central Beirut in escalation of deadly assault on Lebanon

They are out of their freaking minds , a danger to themselves , and also everyone else . They can be jews in other countries, America etc...Israelis can practice judaism many places.

They created monster , it`s just escalation after escalation with no end .

Ideally they would live in the current Israel yes and live happy life. But they turned to zionism and it`s not then all compatible with all other people in the ME and creates chronic problems that start also accumulate .

It`s not just Judaism ....they twisted it and use it`s name to justify all doings.

We are now near WW3 because the not compatible ideology . They need to start  looking mirror and  acting mature.

Everyone there need to start  looking mirror and  acting mature, hamas , Iran ...

So... because Jews can be Jewish anywhere, they don't deserve a place to call home, that they can't be kicked out of? Is that the logic we're working with here, or am I missing something?

Using that logic, Americans can be Americans anywhere... so should we just dissolve the nation here, maybe give it to the Mexicans because the US has treated the cartels so poorly?

There is a sizeable knot of Germans in Brazil and Argentina. They don't need Germany to be Germans, so can we just give Germany to the Russians or Poland then?

The French don't really need France - they can be French anywhere. We could give France to the Russians, too.

Somalis don't need Somalia to be Somalian - we could just move all of them to Minneapolis, where they can continue being Somalian on someone else's dime, and give Somalia to Egypt.

Finns don't need Finland to be Finnish. There's already a lot of them in Minnesota and Wisconsin. So can we just move the rest of them there, and give Finland to the Russians too? That's the logic I'm hearing here.

I would add in that Moslems can be Moslem anywhere, so we could just move them all to the UK and make the UK a Moslem nation, and dissolve the Middle East, but that's a little to uncomfortably close to what is actually happening.

Regarding the Israeli "escalations", why do we suppose they are "escalating"? In the example given, did they "escalate" just because it was a Thursday, and that's what you do on Thursdays - bomb Beirut? Even al-Jazeera, an Arab mouthpiece, acknowledged the reason for the "escalation" in that very article - it was because Hezbollah rocket attacked Israel first, on 2 March. Al-Jazeera - again, an Arab mouthpiece, so not exactly unbiased - CHOSE to call it an "escalation". Others might refer to it as a retaliation, or possibly a preventive measure. "Escalation" was the choice of wording for al-Jazeera, because it's pre-loaded with negative ramifications on Israel. Other folks might see it in a slightly more balanced manner, and call it something else.

Regarding the nukes, we've already been over that, so I won't rehash it all again here. You're afraid of them, I'm not, and neither of those viewpoints is likely to change. I also realize the vanishingly slim potential for them to be used in this conflict... assuming we do not allow Iran to get their hands on them. If that happens, all bets are off, but as for the currently (already) nuclearly armed nations, they have exercised remarkable restraint in their use for over 80 years now, and I don't see that changing any time soon. We have, in the past 80 years of nuclear armaments, been much, MUCH closer to a nuclear exchange than this, yet it has not happened. So color me skeptical on the threat of nuclear annihilation over Iran. It's just not a necessary measure to revoke the Iranian Cleric's birth certificates, so why would anyone risk it in the real world?

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[quintessentone]

I don't know about Zionists and whatever else, how deep this may go.

I've just been watching video's from regular, ordinary Iranians.  (I believe)
90% of them seem to be happy with what is going on, hoping they really can have democracy.
With the claim of thousands being murdered for the protests they had there, I can see why.

I really hope they get to rule their own country.  And the women there become free.

I am watching ordinary Iranians speak as well, well not so ordinary, they know the history with the USA and Israel and claim the US sanctions diminished the middle class, or rather eliminated most of the middle class, so much so that they were protesting for a better life for all from a position of lost power leading up to the US and Israel attacks.

They are also saying mainstream media in the USA is not telling all the truths and realities and that is a disservice to the American people.

[YesItsMe]

They can be jews in other countries, America etc...Israelis can practice judaism many places.

There is one tiny Jewish country in the world.  There are 57 Muslim majority countries in the world. The Muslims need to get with the program and accept 
that the Jews can have their one tiny country. It's their ancestral homeland.   It's the center of their religion. Muslims need to grow up and stop blaming the Jews for all their problems.

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They are also saying mainstream media in the USA is not telling all the truths and realities and that is a disservice to the American people.

Considering the lies that THEIR media have to say and how THEIR government and clerics lie, that's rather comical.  Not to mention their religion, which is one big lie, as most religions are. And I highly doubt that they actually said that it was a 'disservice to the American people'. The Iranians don't care that much about the American people.

[Ninurta]

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They are also saying mainstream media in the USA is not telling all the truths and realities and that is a disservice to the American people.

Considering the lies that THEIR media have to say and how THEIR government and clerics lie, that's rather comical.  Not to mention their religion, which is one big lie, as most religions are.  And I highly doubt that they actually said that it was a 'disservice to the American people'.  The Iranians don't care that much about the American people.

You'll find that in propaganda wars. There will be two sides, and each is going to concentrate on their own viewpoints.

There IS support for the regime in Iran. Truly there is. The best estimates I can find place that support at about 5% of the population. Still, in a country the size of Iran, 5% clocks in at around 4 million people. So of course if one looks for it, one will find support for the view that "Iran hates America and wants the bombing to stop". All one has to do is ignore the other 95% of the population.

Likewise, the American public IS being lied to in some respects. So is the Iranian public, and so is the Israeli public. It's all part and parcel of the Propaganda Wars.

Nothing is ever as good as it's proponents claim, nor is it ever as bad as it's detractors charge.

Look at the American claim to have "destroyed the Iranian Navy". Yet the Straits of Hormuz still remain closed. So, the US is still destroying Iranian boats... but, wait a damned minute... if the US has already destroyed the Iranian Navy, how is it they can still find Iranian boats to blow up?

Answer: someone is being lied to some where... and in this case, it's us Americans being lied to. Some times, you have to read between the lines to get closer to the truth.

Another example: al-Jazeera, in the article captioned above regarding a Beirut bombing, says straight out that "800,000 people have been evacuated". Now how is it that they can evacuate 800,000 people, a pretty sizeable chunk of humanity, in the confusion of a bombing run from Israel?

Answer: Someone gave them a prior heads-up, a warning that bombs were coming, and that civilians should evacuate the area... and they did so in time enough to accomplish that evacuation. the only people who would have known that bombs were coming, and where they were coming to was... the Israelis themselves. So, the Israelis MUST have given a warning to evacuate. That's the part that al-Jazeera is not saying out loud. It would not fit the narrative they are trying to construct.

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[quintessentone]

They can be jews in other countries, America etc...Israelis can practice judaism many places.

There is one tiny Jewish country in the world.   There are 57 Muslim majority countries in the world.  The Muslims need to get with the program and accept 
that the Jews can have their one tiny country.  It's their ancestral homeland.   It's the center of their religion.  Muslims need to grow up and stop blaming the Jews  for all their problems.

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They are also saying mainstream media in the USA is not telling all the truths and realities and that is a disservice to the American people.

Considering the lies that THEIR media have to say and how THEIR government and clerics lie, that's rather comical.  Not to mention their religion, which is one big lie, as most religions are.  And I highly doubt that they actually said that it was a 'disservice to the American people'.  The Iranians don't care that much about the American people.

I believe those speaking were Iranian-Americans with family in Iran. So I think they are in a unique position to speak from the position and explaining the history from both sides and Bernie Sanders was hosting the discussion.

[Ninurta]

I believe those speaking were Iranian-Americans with family in Iran. So I think they are in a unique position to speak from the position and explaining the history from both sides and Bernie Sanders was hosting the discussion.

Was Bernie Sanders HOSTING the discussion, or was he GUIDING the discussion?

How were the discussion panelists selected to enter the discussion?

Since they were Iranians being Iranian in America, can we just go ahead and give Iran over to Afghanistan or Iraq  now? Clearly they don't need Iran to be Iranian in if they can do it in America...

On the subject of Iranians being Iranian in America. it may prove interesting to discover who has been shooting up America today. There's always the chance it was just random Americans I suppose, and that they were just shooting us up because it's Thursday, and that's just what one does on Thursdays - shoot up Americans.

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[YesItsMe]

On the subject of Iranians being Iranian in America. it may prove interesting to discover who has been shooting up America today. There's always the chance it was just random Americans I suppose, and that they were just shooting us up because it's Thursday, and that's just what one does on Thursdays - shoot up Americans.

The last three incidents ... all Muslims with foreign influence.

The Synagogue ... A Lebanese who was naturalized and lives in Dearborn MI  (so Muslim).
Old Dominion .... Another naturalized citizen from a Muslim country (forgot the country) and his name is Muhommad.
Yesterday NYC .... two Muslims yelling Allah Akbar, throwing bombs, and saying ISIS inspired them.  One of them the parents were from a Muslim country and now are naturalized US citizens.