International Child trafficking

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The title says international Child trafficking but which is true but the video is more USA focused . Epstein is discussed along with our lack of a justice system when it come to certain topics. Yep a long video so listen to the first 15 minutes and see if you are interested.

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welcome investigative journalist Nick Bryant to the Shawn Ryan Show love you
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show Nick Bryant welcome to the show well thanks for having Sean appreciate it it's an honor to have you here it's a
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honor to be on your show so we I guess I should say we I have been fascinated
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with the Jeffrey Epstein topic ever since it kind of came to light and um I've been looking for somebody that
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really knows the ins and outs and all the little details of what was going on in there took a it took a little bit for
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us to find somebody but you are the perfect fit and um I just I cannot wait
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wait to dive in and see what kind of information you've uncovered
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unfortunately it's the government that's with abstein we have the government aiding betting child trafficking which
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is ultimately very sorted but uh but it's something and and it goes against
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our grain the values of Americans it's it's an athma to our values but it's
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something that we have to straighten out um as a society to make sure that this doesn't happen again
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yeah the uh the US government seems to be at the center of a lot of issues today yes but uh I want to give you a
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quick intro here so Nick Bryant you're an advocate and published writer focused
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on topics such as the plight of disadvantaged children in the US you spent seven years investigating Coast to
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Coast child trafficking networks author of the Franklin Scandal which we'll get
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into a little bit an investigator of the Epstein Network and published Epstein's
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little black book that uh we all hear all about and
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um what so before we kind of really get going I'm just curious what got you
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started in in the trafficking genre bringing awareness to
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to that what happened i' uh I'd written a lot about children's issues that's a a
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topic that's near and dear to my heart is children's issues uh mostly lower
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socioeconomic children and the travails and I ultimately co-authored a book called America's children Triumph for
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tragedy um that looked at a lot of the shortcomings that are our our country
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pays great lip service to children as its most precious resource but as I showed in America's children trium for
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tragedy um the resources aren't allocated to for children that the way
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that they should be and uh so I that's an issue that's very very very close to
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my heart and I was and I'm I was a
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writer and journalist in Minnesota for a number of years and then I ultimately moved to New York City and um I started
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writing for magazines there and um and I was pitching an editor at Rolling Stone
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and um I said well you know what do you want me to write an article about and he goes pit me dark stories and you know I
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I didn't had no idea what how I said you know I kind of threw my arms up in there I said Nazis satanists you know I mean
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how dark you want to get and uh and I'd written some dark stories before that's
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maybe why he thought I'd specialized in darkness so um so he and you can kind of
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tell editors their eyes you know there's a little Sparkle when you when you when you hit something that they and and when
Rolling Stone editor’s story request
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I said Satan Satanism and he goes satanists and um I I could see that
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little glint in his eye so um I wasn't really well versed in the subject but I
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started looking into the ult fraternities and the the
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darker ult fraternities and um and then I I talked to various satanists very
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stripes and um I found them to be kind of an unsavory group um but my job was
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to write an article and I kind of had a simple plan um I was going to cultivate
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a relationship with some of these people and then
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ultimately attend a dark Mass write a book about it or black mass and and then write an article about it and um and
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then I came across this us customers report when you're a writer and a lot of
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writers will talk about this when you're a writer you're although you're looking at a certain subject you're always
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serving the net for stuff that's tangental to it or or or that's related
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to it and I came across this US Customs report about a cult called the finders
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um they had a couple of warehouses in Washington DC and two finders had been
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busted in talahasse Florida with six children and the six children were like regam muffins and some concerned
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citizens called the Talahassee police department and then the Talahassee Police Department went to that Park and
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saw the kids and saw the two finders and
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they arrested the finders and put the kids in child protective uh services and
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what happened there was and and then these two finders were charged with multiple counts of child abuse and the
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US Customs got involved because there was uh child pornography and um and the
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DC police the finders had warehouses in DC and the D DC police had been interested in the finders for quite some
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time are the finders the folks involved in the Frank Franklin Scandal no no it's
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it was kind of my segue into the into the Franklin Scandal so with the finders
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the DC police and the US Customs executed a search warrant on the warehouses of the finders and they
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found really very incriminating stuff and the kids were being held in
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Tallahassee and actually a doctor had said that two of the kids have been sexually abused so what happened was I
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I've got the US customer report and the US customer report is so mindboggling that I put the entire US Customs report
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in the back of the Franklin Scandal so what happens is that investigation is
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going Full Throttle you've got the talahasse police department involved you've got US Customs involved you've
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got uh DC police involved and then you had the FBI involved and then all of a sudden and and it said this on the
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report report that the investigation of the finers to become a quote unquote CIA internal matter and there'll be no more
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investigation so I read that document and I was just stunned I was thinking
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this does not match the world that I live in and that opened my mind up to
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looking for other scenarios that might be like that where there might be trafficking children and then
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intelligence was involved and then that led me to the Frank Scandal um it was it
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was on the internet there was a lot of
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uh talk about a lot of postings about this pedophile Network in Omaha Nebraska
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and this former state senator his name was John de Camp he had written a book about it and I read the book I didn't
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the book um I didn't think was really well done I
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mean it wasn't it wasn't like a regular journalist but actually um Yorkshire television in the UK had
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made a documentary about it and that documentary had been quashed so and and you could get the
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documentary on the internet so I got the documentary and you know I had a bunch
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of my friends come to my apartment and I like gave showings of it and I say am I losing my mind or is you know does this
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look ominous to you and um they all said you know this is very ominous so I went to OHA I knew that something had
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happened in Omaha Nebraska but I wasn't sure exactly what had happened I thought that there had been some kids molested
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in Omaha but the internet was talking about kids being flown from coast to
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coast intelligence involved um boy toown students which boy toown is probably the
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most famous orphan Edge in in the world talked about all these things and I was
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I was skeptical I mean I really tried to keep my mind open but I was skeptical but when I got
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there um I started to talk to people well let's we'll get into that in just a
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second sure I wanted um I want to ask why
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is mean it's it's a fairly obvious question I guess it should be near and
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dear to everybody's heart but what is it specifically
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that Drew you to Bringing exposure to child trafficking and so and sex
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exploitation and all of that well because with the Franklin Scandal and
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also with the Epstein Scandal you've got child trafficking that's being covered up and as I I came
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across the Franklin Scandal 21 years ago and as I've dug deeper and deeper into
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this I have I've been embraced by anti-trafficking organizations and I've
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spoken at anti-trafficking conferences and I've met a lot of people that have been trafficked and no one has paid for
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it yeah and that's just something there there has to there has to be Justice the
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government cannot be covering up child trafficking on any level local state
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federal no one should be covering up child trafficking you know you had mentioned something earlier I can't
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remember your exact words but you were saying that basically I think in essence you're
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saying that the government doesn't take this seriously and the the allotted funding and and and the focus on
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trafficking is it's almost not even there I mean I I
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went to a a fundraiser for one of those organizations recently and there was a
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gentleman that spoke he was the head of Homeland Securities division in this and
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he said there are only 8,000 agents only 8,000 agents out there that are
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combating sex trafficking and sex exploitation for children meanwhile it's
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a $150 billion a year business that we know about there are
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366 million videos out there of children being sexually exploited that we know
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about and there's only 8,000 and I'm not talking about 8,000 in the
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United States 8,000 in the entire world
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are working on this stuff 8,000 in the entire
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world that shows you right there that this is not a priority for any
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government any agency I mean it's ridiculous which
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makes me think they're all in on it well there's a lot of child
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trafficking that has been covered up I mean we know of child trafficking that's been covered up in the United States we
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know of child trafficking a huge I'm talking huge networks that have been covered up in the UK that have been
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covered up in Belgium that have been covered up in Spain that have been covered up in Argentina I'm I mean that
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have been covered up in Mexico there's a lot of child trafficking networks that have been
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covered up and we need and we see this Epstein is right in our face I mean we
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know that Epstein was trafficking all kinds of girls to numerous perpetrators
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and only one person has been indicted for those crimes and that's glan Maxwell when we know that there's scores of
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people that were involved in those crimes so we our government has to have the
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will to go after traffickers and child pornography and our government just
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doesn't show the will now but it's going to be up to the American people ultimately um the American people have
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because there's been other networks that have been covered up and this is something that the government should not
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be involved in is covering up child trafficking that which is essentially Aid and ab betting child trafficking so
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we're at a point now where we have to put our foot down and say that's it no more we we need those Este steam
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perpetrators indicted we need those epsteam procurers indicted and we're not
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going to settle for anything less that's what we need let's talk a little bit about
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the Franklin Scandal before we get into Epstein cuz that was your first big book
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um Franklin Scandal book it's about an alleged child prostitution ring out of
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Omaha Nebraska that took place in around 1988 um managed by Lawrence King if I'm
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correct there were there were two primary pimps Lawrence king of Omaha Nebraska and Craig Spence of Washington
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DC the victim's age from R the victim the victim's ages range from 18 or I'm
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sorry 8 years old to 14 years old and let's just let's just start there well
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with the Franklin Scandal I went to Omaha I knew that something had gone
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down with the Franklin Scandal um but there was there was all kinds of Internet speculation and I didn't know
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how much of that was Apocrypha and how much of it wasn't so when I went to
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Omaha the first time and I went there a number of times um but when I went to
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Omaha the first time I knew that something had going on but I thought it was a local pedophile ring not like a a
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nationwide Network um I didn't think it was involved in blackmail um I thought that local law enforcement had probably
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covered it up and not federal law enforcement so when I got to Omaha the first time I
Death threats
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realized that it was much bigger and uglier than I ever could have imagined
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and I took some heat I I had like a death threat and um and I was followed
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from who um a woman it was funny I was staying with a friend of mine I I I told
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my friend you know I'm going to look into this thing and I'd known him for many years since I was a teenager and um
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I said I'm going to look into this thing and we hadn't hung out in a while so I'm going to look into this thing and you
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know see what's what's happening and then um you know then we'll hang out and go do some stuff and um so I told him I
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went the first night I was there we were having dinner I told him about what I was looking into do you know and he he looked at me like you know are you sure
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and I said well yeah I'm I'm going to check this out so I was staying at his
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place when a woman came to the door and said uh and and and you know he was
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there so and she said you're in a great deal of danger and they're going to kill
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you and and she was a freaky looking woman and uh now my buddy had started
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I'd been there for about a week and my buddy had started to come around with some of the stuff that I was reporting back to him but then that woman coming
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to his door um and dispensing that um
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well you know it made both of us uh we didn't sleep very easily that
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night but here's the thing by that time I'd come to the conclusion this was a
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huge Network it had been in operation for at least a decade and multiple
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children were destroyed and I don't have a family I'm not married I don't have children I can
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take risks that that other people wouldn't be comfortable taking risks and I just said you know this is too evil
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um and it was covered up by both federal and state law enforcement and
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authorities and and I I just said this what was done here was just too evil I'm
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not going to quit um you know
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if if I get killed I get killed I mean but I'm I'm not going to quit doing this
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I'm I'm going to expose this to the best of my ability and that started my Odyssey did
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you did this go on the harassment from whoever it was continue There was
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harassment I think a lot of harassment was through at me the first time I was there and they thought well you know
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he's probably a journalist from New York and you know we'll never see him again but there was
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harassment subsequently um but nothing like it was initially I mean that was
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the only time I had like an over death thread was was the first time I was there but I was so committed to doing it
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at that point that whatever whatever difficulties I was going to have um I I
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was I was willing to endure them to get this story out um because as I said this
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network that I wrote about in the Franklin scale it had been in operation for about 10 years and it had D
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destroyed scores of children and um and it had been covered up by federal and
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state law enforcement and I just said this cannot this cannot stand I mean
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something something has to be done about this and I'm going to write a book about it and hopefully I can get it
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published and I was represented by a relatively big literary agent at that
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point and I gave them the book proposal and then within two weeks I was no
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longer a client of theirs and then um and then um I knew James Fitzgerald he
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was an agent he's since passed away and then and he ran a good agency I mean he
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had a he had published a number of popular books or facilitated the publishing a number of popular books and
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he couldn't sell it I mean I'd met with some Publishers and they were just
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concerned about liel and um finally there was a small publisher outside of
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Eugene Oregon that was willing to and by that time there were um and I don't know
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if your uh listeners and viewers are familiar with the mations of a grand jury but with a grand jury grand juries
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are notorious for covering stuff up because a special prosecutor is show is
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picked to prosecute a grand jury and Grand jurors are just citizens that have shown up for jury duty that have been
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funneled to a grand jury so and and the special prosecutor calls the witnesses and also
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picks the evidence that's shown to the Grand jurs and it's not adversarial it's just one-sided and and and then
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everything is sealed and it's against the law to talk about it so um there was a New York judge that said uh Supreme
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Court judge that said special Pro special prosecutors have so much power over Grand jurors that they could get
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them to indict a ham sandwich and so with this case the Franklin case I
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managed to get the sealed grand jury and testimony one of the grand juries and I bring the view the reader right into
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that grand jury and and I show how corrupt it is and cuz that grand jury declared that all these kids getting
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abused was a carefully crafted hoax but it didn't even name who the hoaxers were it it kind of pinned like the hoax on a
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bunch of drug adult kids um which uh was
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I mean and then a Federal grand jury said the same thing that was that was equally corrupt and and there again you
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just need one guy one special prosecutor who's corrupt and then he can get the
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grand jurors to do whatever they want them to do so these two grand juries had said that there was no child abuse and
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then but after I got the sealed testimony and Exhibits of one of those grand juries I I mean at that point I
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was really able to write the book um because it the exhibits gave me a lot of information and then I was able to show
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just exactly how one of the grand jurries had been co-opted Wow Let's talk about a little
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bit about what was going on there so there uh there was alleged abuse it was
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widespread series of crimes including devil worship cannibalism drug trafficking and ca's arm deals okay so
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that comes from the Wikipedia page okay and the Wikipedia page
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is farle um I've if if you go on my website
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I go to the W I've got a link to the Wikipedia talk page cuz you've got like the Wikipedia page and then you've got
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like the talk section and that uh Wikipedia page has been taken over by people that want to make
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this nonsensical okay and there's pages and pages and pages of
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debate and actually I called Jimmy Wales who started uh Wikipedia I'm a pretty
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good investigator I was able to get his private cell phone number and um I called him up and I said you know you're
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my last hope for making this w IIA page read realistically and um and he was
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completely unwilling to help me um I'm actually I'm going to release that conversation um on my website in the in
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the relatively near future what did he say why would he why wouldn't he um he said that well I'm going to look into it
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send me some emails and uh so I sent him some emails and um and then he said that
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he didn't get them I texted him I just I don't understand why there are so many
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people in powerful positions that protect pedophiles why would you not want to
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protect the children why does everybody in a power I guess I shouldn't say
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everybody but it it seems to me the more I dive into this
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subject the more I see the the more Elite status you have the more compliant
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you are with pedophiles and sex trafficking and sex
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exploitation is it what is it well I think people um reach a certain Plateau socioeconomic plateau
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and they're afraid of losing what they have and they're afraid of not getting
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what they want I mean I I think it's that simple and when I saw like some of the
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so you're just saying that it's GRE money if you're not into pedophilia it's
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fear the the fear that you I mean you place more important you have more value
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on money than you do on little kids absolutely and your status and your house payments and your car payments and
Blackmail
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your kids college there were some people that covered this up that were definitely compromised pedophiles and
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that that's one thing about our political system is that Americans and that's why there's so much blowback on
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that Wikipedia page is the people that are in control of the Wikipedia page on
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the Franklin Scandal um they want to make sure that it doesn't come out that
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the government has covered up that pedophile Network and they want to make
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sure that blackmail because blackmail plays an integral role and I've been at
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this for 21 years and Epstein had cameras in all of his homes I mean
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Epstein was definitely a blackmail artist and the government wants to make sure sure that that is not does not come
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out um that a huge part of our political system is predicated on blackmail and
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especially if that dark malignant corner of the intelligence that is using blackmail
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against our politicians and other people if they were using children I mean that would make some that would make the
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American people erupt so that's why that Wikipedia page is locked down and that's
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why this is important this is um for them dark corner of intelligence this is
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Omaha Beach um you know they're not going to give an inch because this is
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the last thing that they want out and it's amazing how the Epstein Scandal has been
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able has been covered up if you look at all the victims and all the perpetrators
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and all the procurers involved in the Epstein Network I mean we're talking score and and and the people that
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facilitated it like the pilots and like Epstein's house managers and and the
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cooks and everybody else we're talking scores and scores of people and no one's
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been indicted except for glain Maxwell um and and that really shows that our
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government unfortunately wants to stop it there our government does not I mean although
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Americans do I think are are coming around to the belief that AB was taking part in blackmail or or a lot of them um
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it doesn't make sense why is our government eating and betting child
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trafficking and unless they're protecting some very powerful people and a a political
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process it doesn't make sense yeah I mean that's the only way that it makes sense yeah and I saw that with the
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Franklin Scandal too um that's and actually I think the Franklin Network might have been bigger
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than Epstein's Network how many kids were involved in the Franklin Scandal um it's difficult to know but it was it was
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operational for about 10 years and it was getting kids from like boy toown and
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what's boy toown it's a Catholic orphanage it's probably the most famous orphanage in in the world and it was it
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was getting kids that fell between the cracks I mean people like ebstein and and and then like the uh the Catholic
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church has a long history of being involved in this of stuff yeah you know so that's I mean unfortunately I hate to
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say it I was raised Catholic but you know it's no I guess it's it doesn't
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come to me as a surprise although probably wouldn't come to me as a surprise if it was any
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other you just have seen I've seen so many you know this Minister this guy
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this priest this you know it's all it's all they've all partaken unfortunately
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the number two guy at uh boy toown Father James Kelly he molested a bunch of kids in Upstate New York and then the
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Catholic church and its Infinite Wisdom moved him to Boy town where he molested a bunch of other kids and then
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eventually they moved him to uh a prison in Las Vegas so because I have come across a
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lot of kids that were molested by Father Kelly or James Kelly at at boy toown and
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I think that he was part of that net work because if the priests um gave the
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kids privileges no one would argue with that so I think that Kelly was a compromised
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pedophile and that he gave King at all
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access to the boy toown kids and then I and then I've got um I've got a paper
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trail between boy toown and Lawrence Z King one of the the primary pimps of the
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of of the Franklin Scandal Network so um there's there's a lot of connections there but I think Father Kelly was and
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then there was another priest there that was uh sent to Argentina you know I mean
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at a certain point sent to Argentina yeah so um but Father James Kelly was uh
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I mean he was a major predator and he prayed on God knows how many boys in
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Upstate New York and and prayed on God knows how many and and with boy toown
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you know these are lower socioeconomic kids from lower socioeconomic backgrounds dysfunctional
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families and at BO toown they're being taken care of you know they're being fed
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well they're they're getting a good education a lot of them want to stay there because it's the safest place
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they've ever been and a predator like Father James Kelly knows that and it just it gives
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him cart launch to to pray on kids and and actually boytown has gone to bat for him because there's been people that
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have tried to litigate against Kelly um and the only reason why boytown hasn't
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paid out substantial settlements is because of the statute of limitations they've hid behind the statute of
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limitations and and they're making millions of dollars in donations
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boy toown how how how did this network work who all was involved so there were
Franklin trafficking network
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two primary pimps uh Lawrence King and Craig Spence
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King King and Spence were in Southeast Asia during Vietnam King was in Thailand with a top
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security clearance I don't know exactly what he was doing but he had a top security clearance and Spence was an ABC
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reporter in Vietnam so I'm surmising
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that both of them now and they both came from workingclass blue hler families um and
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I'm surmising that they both both of them got busted um molesting kids in
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Southeast Asia and that's where they were turned because as soon as they came back to the United States their careers
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just became it was like a Skyrocket um Lawrence C king became the
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uh manager of the Franklin credit union and went from like $117,000 a year to
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making millions I mean a lot of that was it begotten and Craig Spence went from
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uh ABC correspondent in Vietnam to a major power broker in Washington DC as
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soon as he got back and Craig Spence would have these huge parties at his
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place he's he's very much like the Epstein character in the Franklin Scandal um he his house was wired for
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audiovisual blackmail and um what would happen happen at those parties is it would be
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like uh a bunch of power Brokers would be invited um you name I mean it was a
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who's who of Washington DC in the 1980s would go to Craig fen's place and there
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would be a lot of times if if there wasn't just like outright pedophilic
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orgies or orgies I mean it would be like a a cocktail party a Washington DC
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cocktail party and people would be plied with alcohol and um and then maybe at 10
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or 11: something sexually inappropriate would happen or someone would fire up a
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joint or break out a line of coke or or whatever and the people that were you
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know didn't want any part of that would leave but the people that wanted to be part of that would stay and then his
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entire house was weed for audiovisual blackmail so if you stayed you got blackmailed that was
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it and I wrote a second book about I I wrote a book called
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confessions of AD DC Madam um the politics of sex lives and blackmail with Henry Vincent and Henry Vincent used to
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give uh um Craig Spence used to get gay escorts from Henry Vincent he ran a gay
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escort service um and we're talking in the mid1 1980s Craig Spence was spending
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$25,000 a month on gay escorts for for him and his
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buddies and and Spence ran this pedophile Network together and um and they would
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get Henry they Vincent and and Henry was and and actually there's there is some
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comedic elements to this Henry was a mortician he was um he had grown up in
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Southwest West Virginia in a very religious home and and he was gay and he
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had to repress that and um and he ultimately became a funeral director
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mortian and moved to Washington DC for his Mortuary fortuns and then through
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just a weird set of circumstances he he there was a couple
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of game morticians that would hang out at this bar which was kind of like the gay equivalent to Chip andales and Henry
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met one of the dancers and they went out for dinner and the dancer told Henry
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that um that a escort service was up for sale um because the guy was dying of
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AIDS and and Henry said well you know how much can you make and the guy said
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well you know I can make like a thousand uh a night if everything is right and
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then Henry said well how much is the is he selling it for and it was like
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$133,000 so Henry went from and and Henry is a very shy guarded guy who um
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had lived in the closet for all these years and he just it was completely out
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of character for him to do this but he did it and he's was a very brilliant
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marketer um what he did was after he bought it he called all the numbers in
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the DC Yellow Pages under escorts male escorts and most escort agencies are Fly
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by Night and they don't pay their phone bill so Henry would dial one of the
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numbers and if the number was disconnected he would call the phone company and say I will pay the AAR on
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that phone number so he ended up with half the numbers in the Yellow Pages of
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of of escort services he's very brilliant that way with marketing but anyway so and everything was going
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really well for him he was working as a funeral director and he was making a lot of money at this gay escort service and
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then he got a call from Craig Spence that CI asset and um and they and then
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King and Spence would have Henry come to his home and they would pressure Henry
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to get him children and he wouldn't do it he said you know I'm not I'm not going to I I want no part of that and um
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and and this is kind of interesting um and there's a lot of corroboration about blackmail in the Franklin scan not just
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this but um so King and Spence were there and Henry was there and and Henry
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didn't like King at all um and Spence was I mean they're both sociopaths but
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um but Spence started to ask Henry about his life um you know where did you grow
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up and what college did you go to and about his and Henry because Spence was
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so narcissistic he had seismic narcissism Henry thought like he was watching the Red Sea party that you know
41:43
this narcissist was actually taking an interest in him so and Spence started
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asking him about his escort service and how he ran his escort service and um and
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then all of a sudden Spence stood up and EM motioned him and um and Spence went
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into a closet and behind the closet was this uh this compartment and then behind
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the compartment was a room and it was all monitors and Henry was there next to
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Spence and then Spence hit a couple of buttons and then Henry is there on a monitor talking about his escort service
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and Spence basically said to him I blackmail people you're blackmailed so that was how Henry
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got indoctrinated into that but you know to his credit he would not get them children he just wouldn't he wouldn't do
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it and that ultimately I think began Le led to his demise um because the uh
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Department of Justice came after him pretty hard wow wow
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what was there any justice served the there none none whatsoever um that
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Franklin network no one got uh indicted for molesting any children and then
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there was a DC grand jury that covered it all up basically uh Spence had killed
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himself he's like abstein um I I do think now there's people that on the
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internet that speculate that Spence um was murdered I I think Spence was
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told either you kill yourself or will'll kill you you can pick the time and the
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place if you kill yourself um cuz his suicide was pretty bizarre he was in the Boston Ritz Carlton dressed in a tuxedo
43:36
and he overd drove St an antidepressent called n tripoline but anyway so there were all
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these articles about blackmail going down by the Washington times and then the Washington Post was covering up for
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the government saying that there was no blackmail and uh but Henry Vinson who
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the guy was just running a gay escort service and he was indicted on a 46 count Rico indictment he was looking at
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295 years in prison CU what the government was doing was leveraging
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him they said we know what you saw and we know that you could hurt us
44:14
but if you talk you're going to spend 295 years in prison so the government
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made a deal with him if you talk you're going to spend 295 years in prison
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if you keep your mouth shut we'll just send you away for five so he ultimately kept his mouth shut and it's amazing um
44:35
because I needed he was a very important interview for me when I was doing the Franklin Scandal and um and then he
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ultimately decided to write a book with me about it which really gets into the Washington DC side of
44:49
things wow that's um I want to do a whole episode on that
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because I think it's important but I really want to I just there's so much
45:01
going on with the Epstein stuff and it's it's it's it's timely it's right now and
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so I want to concentrate on that for the for the majority of the time here and um I'd like to move into that but I
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mean I'm going to be honest Nick I
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was I'm worried to take the interview I'm I'm not gonna you I mean
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I'm a former seal former CIA guy been all over the world
45:31
doing dangerous and but this I mean
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I mean they they tried to assassinate the judge that was on the Epstein trial correct there was uh there was someone
45:45
who uh killed her husband and and Son yeah he was a he was posed as a UPS D
45:52
yeah and that was covered up pretty quickly we never I I never never really had the time to get to the bottom of
45:57
that um but that's something I'd like um the thing with this is I've written two
46:03
books about it I've been screaming about it from the rooftops for quite some time
46:10
um until Epstein came along no one was taking me seriously but once Epstein came along and once I published that
46:16
black Epstein's black book on the internet people did started to take me seriously um it's something the
46:24
toothpaste is coming out of the tube now um and that's why people are are willing
46:30
to take it on I mean no one has been more vocal
46:36
about Epstein than me and I'm still kicking so I mean and
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that's the thing the government can't kill all of us I mean if the government kills me they have a martyr the last
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thing that they want is a martyr mhm so
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I mean there was a time when I was writing the Franklin Scandal I mean I think that that's when I was at my most
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vulnerable but once the book came out I I felt pretty safe um and then what I
47:09
did is every time I got a document I disseminated it every time I
47:14
got an interview I disseminated it so if something did happen to me um there was
47:21
going to be a record of what I was doing did you did you feel like that with the upen stuff with the Epstein stuff you
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know I'd been like I was kind of an Old Pro at it by the time I came across Epstein um when I got his black book you
47:36
know I knew that that was a little dicey um for sure um but then here's the thing
47:44
I went to the mainstream media and I tried to get them to publish the black book and no one would do it and then it
47:51
took me 3 years to finally get someone to publish that black book because because our media is so it's either
47:58
compromised or just unbelievably corrupt who did publish it uh Gawker which uh
48:05
and and Gawker was a website that would take on all kinds of crazy stuff and they ultimately got sued into Oblivion
48:11
um by uh Peter teal who's a billionaire founded PayPal and they outed Peter teal
48:18
as as a closed uh gay guy and um and then Peter teal let it be known that
48:24
anybody that litigates against Gawker he was willing to pay them pay their entire litigation and then Gawker ultimately
48:33
released a video of Hulk Hogan having sex with um I I believe a
48:39
friends of a friend of his wife and um but I'm not don't quote me on that but
48:45
ultimately uh Hulk Hogan got a huge multi-million dollar judgment against Gawker that caused him to crumble but
48:53
they were willing you know they did stuff like that but they were also willing to take stories from guys like
48:58
me where where no one else would touch it and once we published that black book
49:05
I mean it was huge I mean it got tens of thousands of hits really quickly all bet
49:11
and then I was able to write some articles about it and um and no one else in the mainstream media would have given
49:17
me that opportunity I saw you had a decent article on Vanity Fair it seemed like yeah about me yeah but um well
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before we dive too deep into the epine stuff let's take a quick break and uh when we come back we'll just dig in
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all right Nick we're back from the break we're going to dive into everything that you can tell us
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about Jeffrey Epstein just a couple of quick things so you've been you've been following Epstein since 2012 2011 2012
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yeah Epstein was arrested on July 6th 2019 ironically today's the day of the
52:24
interview was July 6th that's weird coincidence uh he died August 10th 2019
52:31
roughly 1 month later and Epstein pleaded guilty to
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soliciting underage girls for sex in 2008 he served only 13 months in a
52:44
County Jail yeah just just 13 months and um and one one count the um again this was a a a grand
52:53
jury and the prosecutor of that gr area was Barry kersner and the Palm Beach
52:59
Police Department had the statements of five miners who had been molested by abstein but they also knew and and then
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there were a number of corroborating statements but they knew of 23 underage girls that had been molested by Jeffrey
53:11
Epstein and Barry kersner the Florida attorney only called
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one and and he totally deconstructed her I mean he could have called 25 that's
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and and actually that grand inury didn't even indict him for uh molesting any
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girls um it indicted him on one count of adult pandering and what happened was
53:36
Michael Ryder who is really one of the unsung heroes in the Epstein story he was the chief of the Palm be Police
53:42
Department he completely exploded and uh you know he called this
53:48
the greatest miscarriage of Justice in recent history and he went to the feds
53:54
and because he knew of 23 victims and then he had taken heat too I mean he'd
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taken a lot he'd been harassed and I I think found a dead animal or something
54:06
like that on his uh front doorstep um but he's really a good guy and um the
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first time I was in Florida I I talked to him and uh he looked me up on the internet and he saw that I was um you