(07-12-2023, 10:41 AM)F2d5thCav Wrote: Bally--

Sounds petty from what you describe.  Could their have been some miscommunication, as in some assumptions made about what was understood on both sides ?  Ask that only because from both the worker and manager side, I've had some unpleasant surprises on that score.

But certainly no shortage of 'bosses' in this world who are completely unsuited to manage other people.

Cheers

(07-12-2023, 08:47 AM)Bally002 Wrote: True love asked for one 'rostered' day off to watch an Australian game of Rugby League.  i.e. 'State of Origin'   She has been a fan of this since her younger childhood.  She did this weeks in advance.

(07-12-2023, 11:24 AM)Bally002 Wrote:

(07-12-2023, 10:41 AM)F2d5thCav Wrote: Bally--

Sounds petty from what you describe.  Could their have been some miscommunication, as in some assumptions made about what was understood on both sides ?  Ask that only because from both the worker and manager side, I've had some unpleasant surprises on that score.

But certainly no shortage of 'bosses' in this world who are completely unsuited to manage other people.

Cheers

Yes it is petty.  No miscommunication in advance.  Boss gave her the rostered day off but changed it then citing other staff could not fill that shift at short notice.

This is regardless that she, my wife, had notified her intentions well before anyone else knowing that this was what the boss required.

There is employment here in Straya titled 'casual'.  Pays good rates above, "full time' and 'part time' which are set rates.  Casual means you are at the determination of the 'boss' at short notice.  This means the 'roster' maker can change your shifts at that short notice.  If you have a whinge' or complaint about that then forget about getting hours.  You can be passed over for work.  It's 'casual rates'.  That's it.   Either that or you're unemployed.  So she works her 40 hours a week.

In my mind its a power thing for a supervisor or boss.  'True love' has never displeased anyone and to my regard is a loyal and honest worker.   Maybe I'm biased.  But in real Australian terms you don't eff your workers or 'mates' for that matter.  

My missus has gone to work and that silly game on TV is progressing.  She didn't have time to sit down and appreciate her fav sport.  Clean pressed uniform on, I made her some overnight dinner and she's off to work (bout an hour away) for another nightshift.

She'll be back home in the morning tomorrow, bout 7.30am.  We'll load up with wood for another delivery.  This is why I hate bitchy hormonal bosses who disregard hard workers even for one night.

My tragic weaknesses are in this respect. 

Don't mess with my partners feelings.  There is a follow on and after effect at home.

Mess with my partner, (best mate) you mess with me.

Wouldn't recommend exercising undue control over my mate, she's an angel.  Your time will come.

My best mate estimates me.  We're a team. You're a fool to underestimate her.

I could go on Cav but that may be a little boring.

Simply putting forward, for a simple reason, don't be nasty to a person who hasn't a bad bone in their body because there is another who will stick up for that person who has a bone to pick.

Kind regards and cheers for your thoughtful reply,

Bally.

(07-12-2023, 12:51 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(07-12-2023, 08:47 AM)Bally002 Wrote: True love asked for one 'rostered' day off to watch an Australian game of Rugby League.  i.e. 'State of Origin'   She has been a fan of this since her younger childhood.  She did this weeks in advance.

True Love asked for, and was given a day off. She did not request a couple of hours off. She made an unauthorized change in True Love's schedule, and the only way to deal with that is to call her on it. "You teach people how to treat you".

My last boss tried to play freely with my schedule, which was partially my fault because, I had always been the "go to" person if there was a problem. So she just decided she could adjust my schedule as she pleased. 

I never said anything until she started adjusting my schedule to accommodate the requests of others, putting my requests on the back burner. I was forced to decrease my flexibility.

I found the best way to handle the situation was to have a good old heart to heart.
I was overly respectful, and approached it in a friendly non accusatory manner.

I told her that because my family needed me, and because of commitments I had made to my community and church, I could no longer be as flexible with my schedule as I had been in the past. 

I gave her the days and times that I would be available. I explained if there was an emergency, I would try to help out, if I could.

I also gave her my list of cut in stone holidays. We have a family reunion every year at Thanksgiving. I take off Thanksgiving week every year. I make that a condition of employment right from the jump. So being the new kid on the block with new employment doesn't garner me that classical no holidays off the first year for newbies. Though my days of being a newbie ever again is long past.

From past experiences, the best way to handle a bitch is to be straight up with them, and give them no wiggle room.

If you give them an inch, they will take a mile.

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(07-12-2023, 11:24 AM)Bally002 Wrote:

(07-12-2023, 10:41 AM)F2d5thCav Wrote: Bally--

Sounds petty from what you describe.  Could their have been some miscommunication, as in some assumptions made about what was understood on both sides ?  Ask that only because from both the worker and manager side, I've had some unpleasant surprises on that score.

But certainly no shortage of 'bosses' in this world who are completely unsuited to manage other people.

Cheers

Yes it is petty.  No miscommunication in advance.  Boss gave her the rostered day off but changed it then citing other staff could not fill that shift at short notice.

This is regardless that she, my wife, had notified her intentions well before anyone else knowing that this was what the boss required.

There is employment here in Straya titled 'casual'.  Pays good rates above, "full time' and 'part time' which are set rates.  Casual means you are at the determination of the 'boss' at short notice.  This means the 'roster' maker can change your shifts at that short notice.  If you have a whinge' or complaint about that then forget about getting hours.  You can be passed over for work.  It's 'casual rates'.  That's it.   Either that or you're unemployed.  So she works her 40 hours a week.

In my mind its a power thing for a supervisor or boss.  'True love' has never displeased anyone and to my regard is a loyal and honest worker.   Maybe I'm biased.  But in real Australian terms you don't eff your workers or 'mates' for that matter.  

My missus has gone to work and that silly game on TV is progressing.  She didn't have time to sit down and appreciate her fav sport.  Clean pressed uniform on, I made her some overnight dinner and she's off to work (bout an hour away) for another nightshift.

She'll be back home in the morning tomorrow, bout 7.30am.  We'll load up with wood for another delivery.  This is why I hate bitchy hormonal bosses who disregard hard workers even for one night.

My tragic weaknesses are in this respect. 

Don't mess with my partners feelings.  There is a follow on and after effect at home.

Mess with my partner, (best mate) you mess with me.

Wouldn't recommend exercising undue control over my mate, she's an angel.  Your time will come.

My best mate estimates me.  We're a team. You're a fool to underestimate her.

I could go on Cav but that may be a little boring.

Simply putting forward, for a simple reason, don't be nasty to a person who hasn't a bad bone in their body because there is another who will stick up for that person who has a bone to pick.

Kind regards and cheers for your thoughtful reply,

Bally.

I see how it works now.

I don't know the whole story, so I don't know why she would take away True Love's requested day off, in favor of another employee. It could have been a life or death reason, and it should have been explained, instead of taking her time and making it look like she did her a favor.

I am leaning towards True Love being known to be the path of least resistance. I was that employee one time too. They screwed up when they killed off the goose that laid the golden eggs. And they know it. I can't go back to being that flexible, go to person again. Because they will only go back to using me again.

This one is going to be True Love's call. Sorry Bally, but you are going to have to sit this one out. Anything you do or say is not going to make things better for True Love, unless getting her fired is a good thing.

(07-12-2023, 01:16 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: I don't know how scarce jobs are in your area but in the past when bosses have tried to pull a stunt like that I quickly informed him/her that I was being polite by notifying them that I would not be coming to work that day and that it was a statement of fact and not a request. To be fair though I was raised with the attitude that "I was looking for a job when I found that one" meaning there are other jobs to be found- which may or may not be true in your area. Regardless if your honey's boss is allowed to get away with it this time it will continue to happen so best to nip it in the butt now.

(07-12-2023, 01:16 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: I don't know how scarce jobs are in your area but in the past when bosses have tried to pull a stunt like that I quickly informed him/her that I was being polite by notifying them that I would not be coming to work that day and that it was a statement of fact and not a request. To be fair though I was raised with the attitude that "I was looking for a job when I found that one" meaning there are other jobs to be found- which may or may not be true in your area. Regardless if your honey's boss is allowed to get away with it this time it will continue to happen so best to nip it in the butt now.

(07-12-2023, 01:27 PM)Chiefsmom Wrote: I've dealt with bitchy, petty female bosses like this, it is not fun.  I won't do it again, that is for sure.

(07-12-2023, 02:27 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(07-12-2023, 01:16 PM)GeauxHomeLittleD Wrote: I don't know how scarce jobs are in your area but in the past when bosses have tried to pull a stunt like that I quickly informed him/her that I was being polite by notifying them that I would not be coming to work that day and that it was a statement of fact and not a request. To be fair though I was raised with the attitude that "I was looking for a job when I found that one" meaning there are other jobs to be found- which may or may not be true in your area. Regardless if your honey's boss is allowed to get away with it this time it will continue to happen so best to nip it in the butt now.

Unfortunately, I too suffer from that same personality trait, and I share the mantra of "I was looking for a job when I found this one".

I truly believe the only reason why I still have the job I have is because of the rapid turnover in personnel. My job is not for the faint of heart. So they put up with my standing up to them.

A person that is kind, tolerant, and flexible, is pure gold in this day and time. But are rarely respected and valued the way they should be. In the meantime, the rude, nasty, bitchy ones are the ones, that they fear, and won't mess with. So the good employee gets the short end of the stick.

(07-12-2023, 02:49 PM)Schmoe Wrote: It's such a shame when supervisors can make or break an otherwise good job.  I currently have decent supervisors, but I've certainly had shitty ones over the years.  Usually they're not going anywhere, so I do.

Bally, has she had issues in the past with this manager?