Quote:The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon them, and likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed.

Quote:First some introductions:

This paper, found on the above ultra-orthodox Jewish website, reflects the truth found in the Bible that the true Tribes of Israel will not return to their Promised Land in the Middle East until AFTER the future appearance of the Messiah to recover YEHOVAH's people from the nations of the world. Could it be true that some of these ultra-orthodox Jews actually have Israelite blood flowing in their veins? -- Editor.

The website continues:

1) What is "The People of Israel" ?

Quote:

(a) The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years.

(b) They have their own particular, essential nature.

© The Torah is the source of their essential nature.

(d) Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel.

(e) Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of Israel.

(f) The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service.

(g) Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) What is Zionism?

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(a) Zionism is a relatively new thing.

(b) It has only existed for a century.

© Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character -- a materialistic worldly nation.

(d) Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.

(e) Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.

(f) This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army.

(03-10-2026, 01:17 PM)quintessentone Wrote: The Zionist government in Israel has a homicidal maniac as leader in my opinion and has the US President wrapped around his finger for reasons I cannot fathom when weighing the loss/gain at this point in time.

The people of Israel were protesting in the thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands for the return of hostages as well as ending the war in Gaza before Israel attacked Iran and now other countries/regions.

As for Orthodox Jews opposing Zionism, well I can't really speak on that as the propaganda is piled, high and deep.

(03-10-2026, 02:12 PM)kwaka Wrote: Israel has created a pickle for itself with its two tiered justice system in handling the settler situation. As they reach for their greater Israel project, it does subject more of the population to a lack of civility. Does not sound like Iran is ready anytime soon to take a knee to Israel.

• "The only use for an atomic bomb is to keep somebody else from using one. It can give us no protection — only the doubtful satisfaction of retaliation." "
  

(03-10-2026, 02:12 PM)kwaka Wrote: Israel has created a pickle for itself with its two tiered justice system in handling the settler situation. As they reach for their greater Israel project, it does subject more of the population to a lack of civility. Does not sound like Iran is ready anytime soon to take a knee to Israel.

(03-10-2026, 02:17 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-10-2026, 02:12 PM)kwaka Wrote: Israel has created a pickle for itself with its two tiered justice system in handling the settler situation. As they reach for their greater Israel project, it does subject more of the population to a lack of civility. Does not sound like Iran is ready anytime soon to take a knee to Israel.

It's been rumored than Iran has enough enriched uranium to 'quickly' make nuclear weapons. I would not doubt that they have started making them or have already made some nuclear weapons. It seems to me to be common sense that they would want to retaliate in the same manner or, hopefully, possess these types of weapons so Israel won't use theirs.

"George Wald:

• "The only use for an atomic bomb is to keep somebody else from using one. It can give us no protection — only the doubtful satisfaction of retaliation." "
  

(03-10-2026, 02:26 PM)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(03-10-2026, 02:12 PM)kwaka Wrote: Israel has created a pickle for itself with its two tiered justice system in handling the settler situation. As they reach for their greater Israel project, it does subject more of the population to a lack of civility. Does not sound like Iran is ready anytime soon to take a knee to Israel.

To me it has looked like U.S and Israel had really bad military situational awareness before they started this with Iran . Iran dont have to beat U.S army but play long mission ,shoot missiles, send drones..

According to Wikipedia , U.S. Air Force flew 5.25 million sorties over South Vietnam, North Vietnam, northern and southern Laos, and Cambodia.  We know how it ended ....Regimes wont be changed by air bombing ,  and even boots on the ground is not wise move in Iran case IMO .

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(03-10-2026, 02:17 PM)quintessentone Wrote:

(03-10-2026, 02:12 PM)kwaka Wrote: Israel has created a pickle for itself with its two tiered justice system in handling the settler situation. As they reach for their greater Israel project, it does subject more of the population to a lack of civility. Does not sound like Iran is ready anytime soon to take a knee to Israel.

It's been rumored than Iran has enough enriched uranium to 'quickly' make nuclear weapons. I would not doubt that they have started making them or have already made some nuclear weapons. It seems to me to be common sense that they would want to retaliate in the same manner or, hopefully, possess these types of weapons so Israel won't use theirs.

"George Wald:

• "The only use for an atomic bomb is to keep somebody else from using one. It can give us no protection — only the doubtful satisfaction of retaliation." "
  

The newest incarnation of Iranian Ayatollah is much more hardcore than he`s father was , and just about all he`s family was killed now in the air bombings by Israel & America .  

So basically Israel & America fucked up this totally .

(03-10-2026, 11:32 AM)Kenzo1 Wrote: Disclaimer :  i oppose terrorism , such as the hamas October 7, 2023 attacts.




To be, or not to be kosher , that is the question .


A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....


First, there was God .

God selected Israelites to be he`s chosen people.

I am skipping most of the history after God selected Israelites to be he`s chosen people , because the issue started later when zionism entered  the chat .

If i am reading this right , God did not give yet green light to set up state of Israel , according to Torah . And that opinion is not mine, it comes straight from Ultra-Orthodox Jews .

So so wondering ....could there come repercussions , if they indeed contravened God command ?

And as of 10.3.2026 .....i would not call the current security status as " safe " in State of Israel . 


Why Ultra-Orthodox Jews Are Opposed to a Zionist State

Quote:The so-called "State of Israel" is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the People of Israel. The only time that the People of Israel were permitted to have a state was two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon them, and likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed.

Quote:First some introductions:

This paper, found on the above ultra-orthodox Jewish website, reflects the truth found in the Bible that the true Tribes of Israel will not return to their Promised Land in the Middle East until AFTER the future appearance of the Messiah to recover YEHOVAH's people from the nations of the world. Could it be true that some of these ultra-orthodox Jews actually have Israelite blood flowing in their veins? -- Editor.

The website continues:

1) What is "The People of Israel" ?

Quote:

(a) The People of Israel have existed for thousands of years.

(b) They have their own particular, essential nature.

© The Torah is the source of their essential nature.

(d) Without Torah and Faith there is no People of Israel.

(e) Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the People of Israel.

(f) The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine Service.

(g) Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) What is Zionism?

Quote:

(a) Zionism is a relatively new thing.

(b) It has only existed for a century.

© Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the People of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character -- a materialistic worldly nation.

(d) Their misfortune is lack of what other nations possess, i.e. a state and army.

(e) Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.

(f) This is clearly spelled out in the circles of Zionist thought, and among the leaders of the Zionist State, that through changing the nature and character of the People of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation" -- a state and an army.

Why Orthodox Jews Oppose Israel







My gut tell`s me ....that Ultra-Orthodox Jews are right....and secular zionist jews very very wrong.


Shabbat Shalom