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The Balloon lies - 727Sky - 02-07-2023

Worth a listen about the lies being spread



RE: The Balloon lies - Bally002 - 02-07-2023

(02-07-2023, 10:45 AM)727Sky Wrote: Worth a listen about the lies being spread

I watched many more vids after Tucker about the "lies".  Had a bit of a chuckle but no surprise.  Presidents not being briefed about other flights. (Treason?).  Mad dog not briefing Trump!  Because Trump was too aggressive. lol.  

I still reckon that a large percentage of US tech and secrets come from US domestic/servants/employees paid by the Chinese and not just from inserted Chinese spies.  Revealing now that this comes from the top not inclusive of elected Presidents.

Sounds pretty effed up to me mate.  Some monies perhaps getting exchanged?

Don't send a balloon to an F22 fight?

Just had to comment. 

Kind regards,

Bally)


RE: The Balloon lies - EndtheMadnessNow - 02-07-2023

It is the military’s responsibility to detect and assess such potential threats to the United States, and to notify the president only if and when there is an actual threat and a military response requires his direct involvement. If the DoD were required to immediately and directly notify the president every time an aircraft, missile, balloon, or ship, presented a potential threat (as above, so below), the president would be interrupted constantly. There are literally thousands of such incidents a year. Then again how much can we trust coming from Gen Milley & the NorthCom/NORAD Commander. We only ever see one side of the PSYWAR.

Our intel community has become so overly bloated the right-hand does not know what left-hand is doing coupled with the fact that the inter-agencies are always in competition with one another and deciding when & what intel to tell the Oval Office, much less what to tell the general public. Layers & layers of lies & propaganda to cover the truths in the name of National Security. The usual Cold War cat & mouse game of we (the IC) don't want the CCP to know what we actually know even though they know what we know.


Quote:GEN. VANHERCK: So those balloons, so every day as a NORAD commander it's my responsible to -- responsibility to detect threats to North America. I will tell you that we did not detect those threats. And that's a domain awareness gap that we have to figure out. But I don't want to go in further detail.

The intel community, after the fact, I believe has been briefed already, assess those threats to additional means of collection from additional means and made us aware of those balloons that were previously approaching North America or transited North America. I hope that answers your question.

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Seriously?? "Did not detect those threats" - LOL! But, if true, we are in deep shit.


It will be interesting to hear (if anything) what comes out of the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment classified Balloon briefing to the Senate on Feb 15th. 'Ok, senators here's the scoop and here's what you tell the sheeple.'

Remains of the Chinese surveillance balloon recovered (a few pics)

Chinese surveillance balloon travel path over/near multiple missile silos. (Can't vouch for the travel accuracy)

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Excerpt from "Japan's World War II balloon bomb attacks on North America":

"With every new weapon system, the associated propaganda can often add to the overall effectiveness; however, because of American silence concerning this new threat, the Japanese were kept off balance in their propaganda program. The silence was finally broken by the Japanese on 17 February 1945, in a Domei News Agency broadcast directed to the United States in English. The Japanese claimed that 500—some news accounts claimed 10,000-casualties had been inflicted in the United States and that numerous fires had been started ... Japanese propagandists continued their efforts to inspire terror and divert forces in the United States. In addition, they tried to convince their Japanese audiences and others that the United States mainland had been successfully attacked with a new and ingenious weapon." .... "The silence of the American public and self-censorship by the American press left the Japanese with considerable doubt as to the effectiveness of the Fu-Go Weapon. The attitude of the American people on the home front, and their cooperation with government officials for the good of the nation, was a major contribution toward ending these attacks."

Mikesh, Robert C. 1973. "Japan's World War II balloon bomb attacks on North America." (Washington, DC: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1973; 91 pages)

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One of those Jap balloons did kill a family in Oregon.

(02-07-2023, 12:47 PM)Bally002 Wrote:
(02-07-2023, 10:45 AM)727Sky Wrote: Worth a listen about the lies being spread

I watched many more vids after Tucker about the "lies".  Had a bit of a chuckle but no surprise.  Presidents not being briefed about other flights. (Treason?).  Mad dog not briefing Trump!  Because Trump was too aggressive. lol.  

I still reckon that a large percentage of US tech and secrets come from US domestic/servants/employees paid by the Chinese and not just from inserted Chinese spies.  Revealing now that this comes from the top not inclusive of elected Presidents.

Sounds pretty effed up to me mate.  Some monies perhaps getting exchanged?

Don't send a balloon to an F22 fight?

Just had to comment. 

Kind regards,

Bally)

I award you...

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LMAO


RE: The Balloon lies - ABNARTY - 02-09-2023

‘It was all handled in a very effective and excellent way. Spy balloons over our heads is a good thing.’
 
Yup. I must be nuts because I don’t see it that way. At all.  
 
Either that or all these politicians in DC are a bunch of lying whores for the IC.


RE: The Balloon lies - EndtheMadnessNow - 02-22-2023

But, but, but....

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Quote:We continue our series of reports on China's latest scientific expedition to the Qinghai-Tibet plateau. Wang Xiying reports on the new Chinese tethered ballon that is gathering weather data from over 9,000 meters above sea level.

Higher than Mt. Qomolangma, the summit of the world, the Chinese tethered balloon, Jimu 1, has reached an altitude of 9,032 meters above sea level. It's the first time China has carried out such a comprehensive observation from the upper troposphere.

GAO JING Professor, Institute of Tibetan Plateau Research Chinese Academy of Sciences "We have never carried out an observation from such a high altitude. We want to collect information about the changing process from the near surface to the middle of the troposphere, to fill gaps in research. And this place is ideal. Also, the data can help us compare meteorological gradients at different altitudes."

It seems like an easy job: inflate the balloon and let it go.

But behind all this, it's quite a hard work for researchers to install all the monitors on the giant vessel.

And, importantly, they have been waiting for days to get a perfect weather.

There is no way for the tethered balloon to go straight up unless the strong wind stops.

The best working window for the team is from midnight to the next morning.

The balloon carries half a dozen different monitors to collect water isotopes and carbon, measure ozone etc. It's fragile and precious.

It's not an easy task to keep it still until the day of the ascent.

HE ZEQING Senior Engineer, Aerospace Information Research Institute Chinese Academy of Sciences "The weather is not quite what we expected. It's quite terrible, which has a great impact on the movement of the balloon, causing bad turbulence. Although the whole system operates well, 64 of us have to ensure the stability of the platform every day due to the strong wind on the plateau."

Despite all this, the mission is partly completed. As the tethered balloon goes up and up, we are also one step closer to unveiling scientific mysteries high above the sky. Wang Xiying CGTN, at Chinese Academy of Sciences Qomolangma station.

Mission to Roof of the World



RE: The Balloon lies - EndtheMadnessNow - 06-05-2023

Revisiting the Balloon Historical Narrative

Did you know the balloons sent by Japan's Unit 731 over the U.S. towards the end of WWII carried no bio agents. But this July 6, 1945 memo for FBI director Hoover's assistant, D.M. Ladd, states Japanese balloons found in N. & S. Dakota, & Nebraska, carried anthrax bacteria "in the hydrogen." If true, this changes history on this subject.


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Apparently, we were never supposed to see this FBI memo, as the footer clearly says:

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See page 75 of this FOIA release: FBI on Bacteriological Warfare

Note that this FOIA was released on Dec 15, 2005. And even more interesting is the redactions 60 years after the docs were produced; what was redacted? And why? What are they hiding? Also, similar to the Nazi paperclip operation, we also had a paperclip for Japanese scientists, specifically in germ warfare that came out of Unit 731.


From a May 5, 2023 Time Magazine article on the Japanese WWII balloons:

Quote:From the perspective of the War Department and Army intelligence, the thing that they feared most was biological warfare. They inspected all balloons for any presence of biological agents, something that might spread disease among humans or livestock. Ultimately there never was any biological component to the balloons.

Secondary to that was that these incendiary devices would ignite wildfires in the Western states and the Americans would have to divert resources that might have been used in the Pacific theater. Also, there was the possibility that these balloons would create panic, leading to a weakening of the morale of the American people.

Was the American public informed about the arrival of these offensive weapons in the U.S.?

Word of the very first balloons that arrive, the ones in Wyoming and Montana, did make its way into the press. Small local newspapers covered the arrival of these balloons, but there were very few details. In the first week of January, stories appeared in TIME and Newsweek.

[A January 1, 1945 TIME story disclosed some details about the balloons: “A 70-foot fuse connected to a small incendiary bomb” and “the FBI discovered that the Japanese had obligingly printed a good deal of information on the bag. It had been completed only a few weeks before, on Oct. 31, at a Japanese factory. Japanese characters also revealed the number of hours spent in its manufacture, data regarding work shifts.”]

The U.S. Air Force is a bit more diplomatic about what the balloons carried, writing this:

Quote:Actual damage caused by the balloon bombs was minor. However, the incendiaries that these balloons carried did pose a serious threat to the northwestern U.S. forests during dry months. These balloons also offered a vehicle for germ warfare if the Japanese had decided to employ this weapon.

The balloon attacks began after air defense facilities in the United States had been deactivated. To counter this threat, U.S. Army Air Forces and Navy fighters flew intercept missions to shoot down balloons when sighted. Army personnel and USAAF aircraft were also stationed at critical points to combat any forest fires that might occur. In addition, supplies of decontamination chemicals and sprays to counter any possible use of germ warfare were quietly distributed in the western United States. Before detailed USAAF defensive plans had been put into effect, the attacks ceased.


From Atomic Heritage Foundation:
Quote:On September 19, two Americans spoke with Lieutenant Colonel Terato Kunitake and a Major Inouye. They stated that all records of the Fu-Go program had been destroyed in compliance with a directive on August 15. This interview, and no official Japanese documents, was to be the only source of information regarding the objectives of the Fu-Go program for the US authorities, explains Coen.

The investigators learned that the Japanese had planned to make 20,000 balloons, but had fallen short of that mark. They also learned that the campaign was “designed to offset the shame of the Doolittle raid,” Coen notes. According to this interview, the Japanese Army had known that it would not be an effective weapon, but pursued it for the morale boost. When there were no reports of actual damage in the US, the Japanese media had made up fake stories about the weakening of American resolve. They also confirmed that there was no plan for biological or chemical warfare with the balloons.

While the balloons failed to be an effective weapon, they were a product of wartime scientific innovation. When the first balloons arrived in America, they technically became the world’s first intercontinental ballistic missile.


Japanese Balloon Bombs “Fu-Go”

Fu-Go Fire Balloons: "Japanese Paper Balloon" 1945 US Navy Training Film:




I thought the FBI memo about finding anthrax "in the hydrogen gas" of the balloon sounded weird... until I read this narrative published by the South Dakota State Historical Society. It described how the range supervisor for the Cheyenne River Agency "collected some of the escaping gas" from a downed balloon "in two borrowed fruit jars," then gave them to the FBI and some "Army security men"!

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War Balloons over the Prairie


The only detailed survey of America's Cold War spy balloon program, "The Moby Dick Project: Reconnaissance Balloons over Russia" by the late Smithsonian aerospace historian Curtis Peebles. No better way to contextualize today's flights.

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The Moby Dick Project: Reconnaissance Balloons over Russia