Quote:Advocacy group reports commanders giving similar messages at more than 30 installations in every branch of the military


A combat-unit commander told non-commissioned officers at a briefing Monday that the Iran war is part of God’s plan and that Pres. Donald Trump was “anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth,” according to a complaint by a non-commissioned officer.
From Saturday morning through Monday night, more than 110 similar complaints about commanders in every branch of the military had been logged by the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF).
The complaints came from more than 40 different units spread across at least 30 military installations, the MRFF told me Monday night.
The MRFF is keeping the complainants anonymous to prevent retribution by the Defense Department. The Pentagon did not immediately respond to my request for comment.
One complainant identified themselves as a non-commissioned officer (NCO) in a unit currently outside the Iran combat zone but in Ready-Support status, deployable at any time. The NCO said they were Christian and emailed the MRFF on behalf of 15 troops, including at least 11 Christians, one Muslim, and one Jew. (Full email printed below.)
The NCO wrote to the MRFF that their commander “urged us to tell our troops that this was ‘all part of God’s divine plan’ and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ.”

Quote:Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth has enshrined evangelical Christianity at the uppermost levels of the U.S. military, airing monthly prayer meetings throughout the Pentagon. Last year, the Pentagon confirmed to me that Hegseth attends a weekly White House Bible study. It’s led by a preacher who says God commands America to support Israel.
Monday’s email from the NCO said that their commander’s remarks “destroy morale and unit cohesion and are in violation of the oaths we swore to support the [C]onstitution.”
MRFF President and Founder Mikey Weinstein, a veteran of the Air Force and the Reagan White House, told me that since the U.S. and Israel attacked Iran early Saturday morning, the MRFF has been “inundated” with similar complaints:

Quote:These calls have one damn thing in freaking common; our MRFF clients [service members who seek MRFF aid] report the unrestricted euphoria of their commanders and command chains as to how this new “biblically-sanctioned” war is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian “End Times" as vividly described in the New Testament Book of Revelation.

Many of their commanders are especially delighted with how graphic this battle will be zeroing in on how bloody all of this must become in order to fulfill and be in 100% accordance with fundamentalist Christian end of the world eschatology.

Weinstein cited constitutional and Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) prohibitions against injecting religious beliefs into official military instruction or messaging.
He said, “Any military members seeking to take advantage of their subordinates by advancing their blood-soaked, Christian nationalist wet dreams upon the flames of this latest non-Congressionally sanctioned attack against Iran, should be swiftly, aggressively and visibly prosecuted.”
Weinstein added that the MRFF receives similar complaints about Christian eschatology — end-of-the-world theology — “whenever this shit blows up with Israel in the Middle East.”
After the Oct. 7, 2023, Hamas attack on Israel, for instance, the MRFF reported a complaint about an Air Force commander who said at a briefing that, “[T]he war between Israel and Hamas has all been foretold by the Book of Revelation in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and no-one can do anything about that.”
After 9/11, Pres. George W. Bush referred to the American “crusade” against terrorism, evoking the ancient clashes between Christian crusaders and Muslims. Bush’s language was seen as potentially inspiring Muslims to take up arms against the U.S., if it proclaimed itself a Christian army waging war on Islam.
French foreign minister Hubert Vedrine said, "One has to avoid falling into this huge trap, this monstrous trap" set by al Qaeda with the 9/11 attacks. Bush dropped the term “crusade.”
While Christian nationalism has simmered in the military for decades, Hegseth has ended even the pretense of official intolerance for it. Trump, too, has cast himself as a champion of Christian exceptionalism, embedding it within divisions of the executive branch.
As I revealed last year, Hegseth sponsors the weekly White House Bible study that preaches support for Israel.
Some Christians claim biblical prophecy requires Israel to exist for Jesus to return. But Hegseth’s Bible study leader, preacher Ralph Drollinger, teaches that the reason to support Israel is that God still blesses Israel’s allies and curses Israel’s enemies, even though Israel killed Jesus (this smear, the historic root of antisemitism, has been rejected by every major religion).
After Israel’s attack on Iran last year, Drollinger dedicated two weeks of lessons to preaching support for Israel. His lessons went out to White House cabinet members and members of Congress even as Israel, too, was lobbying for U.S. engagement.

Quote:Hegseth has also initiated monthly prayer sessions, most recently featuring Doug Wilson, the far-right Christian nationalist. He has also brought in other preachers from his personal circle, rejecting any attempt at making the meetings ecumenical.
Hegseth himself also speaks at these meetings, proselytizing his personal religious beliefs. “This is … I think, exactly where we need to be as a nation, at this moment,” Hegseth reportedly said, “in prayer, on bended knee, recognizing the providence of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.”
While the MRFF historically has been able to get the Pentagon to swat down Christian incursions into the military, the Trump administration is openly disdainful of military norms and law. It remains to be seen whether and how wholesale Christianization of the Iran war will be opposed by officials inside the Pentagon, or political and legal advocates for secular values outside it.

Quote:NCO Email to MRFF

As redacted by MRFF:
From: (Active Duty Military NCO and MRFF Client’s email address withheld)
Subject: Unit combat readiness briefing and Armageddon
Date: March 2, 2026 at 1:02:53 PM MST
To: Information Weinstein <mikey@militaryreligiousfreedom.org>
Mr. Weinstein thank you for taking my calls and the calls of some of my colleagues as to what happened earlier this morning with our combat unit.

Please protect my identity and the identities of those I’m speaking for as we discussed.

Our unit is not currently in the combat zone AOR regarding the Iranian attacks but we are in a “Ready-Support” function where we could be deployed there at any moment to join and augment the combat operations as participants.

I am a (NCO rank withheld) in our unit. This morning our commander opened up the combat readiness status briefing by urging us to not be “afraid” as to what is happening with our combat operations in Iran right now. He urged us to tell our troops that this was “all part of God’s divine plan” and he specifically referenced numerous citations out of the Book of Revelation referring to Armageddon and the imminent return of Jesus Christ. He said that “President Trump has been anointed by Jesus to light the signal fire in Iran to cause Armageddon and mark his return to Earth”. He had a big grin on his face when he said all of this which made his message seem even more crazy. Our commander would probably be described as a “Christian First” supporter. He has been this way for a very long time and makes it clear that he desires all of us under him to become just like him as a Christian. But what he did this morning was so toxic and over the line that it shocked many of us in attendance at the ops readiness briefing. Besides myself I am reaching out to MRFF on behalf of 15 fellow troops. I know you asked me about the religious views of our group who has requested help from the MRFF. I can only tell you that I am Christian and at least 10 of the others are also Christians. One of the others is Jewish and one is Muslim. I don’t know the religious or non-religious status for the other three at this time.

I and my fellow troops know that it is completely wrong to have to suffer through what our commander said today. It’s not just the separation of church and state as we discussed Mr. Weinstein. It’s the fact that our commander feels as though he is fully supported and justified by the entire (combat unit’s name withheld) chain of command to inflict his Armageddon views of our attack on Iran on those of us beneath him in the chain of command.

I hope by sending this email to you that this will help expose these wrong actions which destroy morale and unit cohesion and are in violation of the oaths we swore to support the constitution.

Quote:Full Statement from MRFF President Mikey Weinstein

“Since the start of the unprovoked American and Israeli war on Iran, this past Saturday morning, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation has been literally inundated with desperate calls for help from military members across all branches, organizations and MOS/AFSC/SFSC designations (military occupational areas). Well over 100 calls have already come in and more keep coming.

These calls have one damn thing in freaking common; our MRFF clients report the unrestricted euphoria of their commanders and command chains as to how this new “biblically-sanctioned” war is clearly the undeniable sign of the expeditious approach of the fundamentalist Christian “End Times" as vividly described in the New Testament Book of Revelation.

Many of their commanders are especially delighted with how graphic this battle will be zeroing in on how bloody all of this must become in order to fulfill and be in 100% accordance with fundamentalist Christian end of the world eschatology.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation demands that all personnel in the Department of Defense (not “War") remember and fully internalize that the oaths they swear are not to the narcissistic, sociopathic, orange, POS tRump, nor to little Petey ‘Kegseth' nor to Jesus Christ. On the contrary, their oath is SOLELY to the United States Constitution, which includes both a full separation of church and state mandate in the First Amendment and NO establishment of any sort of putrid 'religious test' in Clause 3 of Article VI.”

Any military members seeking to take advantage of their subordinates by advancing their blood-soaked, Christian nationalist wet dreams upon the flames of this latest non-Congressionally sanctioned attack against Iran, should be swiftly, aggressively and visibly prosecuted for numerous violations of the military criminal code known as the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

You know, that very same criminal code that Secretary ‘Kegseth' is trying to prosecute Arizona Senator Mark Kelly under for simply advising military members not to obey illegal orders; you know like ordering otherwise helpless, military subordinates to acknowledge that the Iran war has been sanctioned by the fundamentalist Christian nationalist version of our Lord and Savior and the New Testament in specific order to bring about the end of the world and usher in the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ."

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Quote:Al-Malhama Al-Kubra (The Greatest Battle) is a central event in Islamic eschatology, often identified with Armageddon, prophesied to occur in the end times
. It is described as an apocalyptic, brutal battle between Muslims and a Roman (Byzantine/Western) force, often occurring before the appearance of the Dajjal (Anti-Christ) and the return of Jesus (Isa). The 12 Imams prophecy is primarily linked to Twelver Shi'a eschatology, where the 12th Imam, Muhammad al-Mahdi, returns to lead in this final era. 
Here is a breakdown of the key elements based on Islamic prophecy:

Al-Malhama Al-Kubra (The Great Battle) 

• The Conflict: Muslims will make a truce with the Romans (Banu al-Asfar) to fight a common enemy, but the Romans will later betray them, resulting in a massive war where they attack under 80 banners.
  
• Context: The battle takes place in Syria (specifically Damascus or the area around it).
  
• Significance: It is viewed as the ultimate confrontation between good and evil, often described as a battle that will result in massive casualties for the Arabs.
  
• Outcome: Following the turmoil, a leader, commonly identified as Imam Mahdi, will emerge to lead the Muslims. 
  

The 12 Imams and the End Times

• The Hadith: Prophet Muhammad is reported to have predicted that there would be twelve successors (Caliphs/Imams) after him.
  
• Twelver Shi'a Interpretation: Twelver Shi'as identify these twelve successors as their Twelve Imams, the last of whom is Muhammad al-Mahdi.
  
• The 12th Imam (Al-Mahdi): Shi'as believe the 12th Imam went into "occultation" (hiding) in 874 CE and remains alive, waiting to reappear.
  
• Role in End Times: Upon his return, the 12th Imam will bring justice and equity, eradicating evil. He is often identified as the Mahdi who will appear to lead the believers in the final battle. 
  

Key Events Leading to Al-Malhama

• Sufyani Emergence: A tyrant known as the Sufyani will arise in the Syria region.
  
• Black Standards: Armies with black flags (Black Standards) will come from Khorasan (a historical region covering parts of Iran, Afghanistan, and Central Asia) to support the Mahdi.
  
• Signs in Ramadan: Lunar and solar eclipses occurring in the month of Ramadan.
  
• Appearance of Dajjal: Shortly after these events, the Dajjal will appear. 
  

This period of turmoil is often described as a time when 1/3 of the Arabs will die in wars and another 1/3 from famine or disease. 

Quote:“Since the start of the unprovoked American and Israeli war on Iran, this past Saturday

(2 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote: I believe the news reports of these occurrences are true, but I do not believe the MRFF reports are true. I'd say, from the way the MRFF releases are worded, that this is just another partisan attack, and I think the MRFF is probably "cooking up" their alleged reports coming out of the military.

In short, I think the MRFF is lying, and the news services reporting on it are being led astray, probably willingly.

Any "end times" or "armageddon" links would necessarily be following Islamic eschatology rather than Chrstian eschatology. For Iran to have a central role in it, that would be a verification of the "Black Flags from Khorasan" Islamic prophecies, not Christian prophecies.Fundamentalist Christians believe the battle will be in Israel, specifically in the Megiddo Valley ("har Megiddo", Anglicized via Greek as "Armageddon")

In the Christian eschatology, Islam doesn't factor into Armageddon at all. it can't, because when Revelations was written, Islam did not even exist.

Now personally, I believe the Bible vehemently talks AGAINST what so many Fundamentalist Christians believe about the "end times" and "Armageddon". But that's just me. They can believe whatever the hell they want, since they will have to answer to God for it, not me. I'm only responsible to answer for what I believe,not what they do. Their religion is between them and their god, and that goes for everyone. You can't order a person to worship YOUR god. There are specific laws and prohibitions against that sort of thing in the US.

But I believe a lot of "strange" stuff that is based on the Bible, not what some jackass tells me the Bible says. I've never trusted a preacher that discourages you from finding out for yourself, and I've never trusted a preacher that thinks he has to "interpret" the Bible for me in order for me to get it right. I can read, thanks very much.

Nor can I see military officers risking their entire careers by violating their oaths and violating the UCMJ. Officers are usually pretty protective of their gravy-train careers.

So, basically, I'd say that this is a partisan hack attack, and nothing will actually come of it. It's just political smoke and mirrors, with the smoke part being blown up our asses by political hacks.

.

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(2 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote: I believe the news reports of these occurrences are true, but I do not believe the MRFF reports are true. I'd say, from the way the MRFF releases are worded, that this is just another partisan attack, and I think the MRFF is probably "cooking up" their alleged reports coming out of the military.

In short, I think the MRFF is lying, and the news services reporting on it are being led astray, probably willingly.

Any "end times" or "armageddon" links would necessarily be following Islamic eschatology rather than Chrstian eschatology. For Iran to have a central role in it, that would be a verification of the "Black Flags from Khorasan" Islamic prophecies, not Christian prophecies.Fundamentalist Christians believe the battle will be in Israel, specifically in the Megiddo Valley ("har Megiddo", Anglicized via Greek as "Armageddon")

In the Christian eschatology, Islam doesn't factor into Armageddon at all. it can't, because when Revelations was written, Islam did not even exist.

Now personally, I believe the Bible vehemently talks AGAINST what so many Fundamentalist Christians believe about the "end times" and "Armageddon". But that's just me. They can believe whatever the hell they want, since they will have to answer to God for it, not me. I'm only responsible to answer for what I believe,not what they do. Their religion is between them and their god, and that goes for everyone. You can't order a person to worship YOUR god. There are specific laws and prohibitions against that sort of thing in the US.

But I believe a lot of "strange" stuff that is based on the Bible, not what some jackass tells me the Bible says. I've never trusted a preacher that discourages you from finding out for yourself, and I've never trusted a preacher that thinks he has to "interpret" the Bible for me in order for me to get it right. I can read, thanks very much.

Nor can I see military officers risking their entire careers by violating their oaths and violating the UCMJ. Officers are usually pretty protective of their gravy-train careers.

So, basically, I'd say that this is a partisan hack attack, and nothing will actually come of it. It's just political smoke and mirrors, with the smoke part being blown up our asses by political hacks.

.

I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote: I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

(58 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(2 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote: I believe the news reports of these occurrences are true, but I do not believe the MRFF reports are true. I'd say, from the way the MRFF releases are worded, that this is just another partisan attack, and I think the MRFF is probably "cooking up" their alleged reports coming out of the military.

In short, I think the MRFF is lying, and the news services reporting on it are being led astray, probably willingly.

Any "end times" or "armageddon" links would necessarily be following Islamic eschatology rather than Chrstian eschatology. For Iran to have a central role in it, that would be a verification of the "Black Flags from Khorasan" Islamic prophecies, not Christian prophecies.Fundamentalist Christians believe the battle will be in Israel, specifically in the Megiddo Valley ("har Megiddo", Anglicized via Greek as "Armageddon")

In the Christian eschatology, Islam doesn't factor into Armageddon at all. it can't, because when Revelations was written, Islam did not even exist.

Now personally, I believe the Bible vehemently talks AGAINST what so many Fundamentalist Christians believe about the "end times" and "Armageddon". But that's just me. They can believe whatever the hell they want, since they will have to answer to God for it, not me. I'm only responsible to answer for what I believe,not what they do. Their religion is between them and their god, and that goes for everyone. You can't order a person to worship YOUR god. There are specific laws and prohibitions against that sort of thing in the US.

But I believe a lot of "strange" stuff that is based on the Bible, not what some jackass tells me the Bible says. I've never trusted a preacher that discourages you from finding out for yourself, and I've never trusted a preacher that thinks he has to "interpret" the Bible for me in order for me to get it right. I can read, thanks very much.

Nor can I see military officers risking their entire careers by violating their oaths and violating the UCMJ. Officers are usually pretty protective of their gravy-train careers.

So, basically, I'd say that this is a partisan hack attack, and nothing will actually come of it. It's just political smoke and mirrors, with the smoke part being blown up our asses by political hacks.

.

I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

Let's not forget the Israel/U.S.A. connection both in a dying ideological religions and warmongering for U.S. profit.

My first impression of the U.S. getting into other country's wars is feeding the war machine to make more money because the tariffs are a fail and Trump and Netanyahu need wars to keep them in power and from going to prison.

"Meanwhile, some American Christian groups frame the conflict as a "holy war" between God and Satan, viewing Israel’s defense as divinely ordained.  This religious framing influences political rhetoric, with figures like Senator Lindsay Graham describing the conflict as religious in nature. However, public opinion in the U.S. has grown skeptical: a 2025 Pew Research survey found 59% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Israeli government, reflecting deepening concern over the war’s conduct and humanitarian impact"

https://forward.com/culture/566658/israel-hamas-gaza-holy-war-christian-zionism/

Now Iran's government is labelling this as a 'holy war', but it's just the same wars which have been raging on since religion was invented.

"Since the revolution, Iran’s theocratic regime, led by Ayatollah Khomeini, declared Israel an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and vowed its destruction. This ideological opposition fueled decades of proxy conflict, with Iran supporting groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis to challenge Israeli and U.S. influence across the Middle East."

https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/10/humiliation-and-transformation-the-islamic-republic-after-the-12-day-war/

Again, 59% of Americans hold an unfavourable view of the Israeli government, so why is the U.S. fighting Israel's wars for them?

(55 minutes ago)babushka Wrote:

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote: I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

It's just people punting their shit mate, I wouldn't stress about it. We all know it's altars to Moloch and Baal anyways, sometimes Baphomet.

(45 minutes ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(58 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(2 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote: I believe the news reports of these occurrences are true, but I do not believe the MRFF reports are true. I'd say, from the way the MRFF releases are worded, that this is just another partisan attack, and I think the MRFF is probably "cooking up" their alleged reports coming out of the military.

In short, I think the MRFF is lying, and the news services reporting on it are being led astray, probably willingly.

Any "end times" or "armageddon" links would necessarily be following Islamic eschatology rather than Chrstian eschatology. For Iran to have a central role in it, that would be a verification of the "Black Flags from Khorasan" Islamic prophecies, not Christian prophecies.Fundamentalist Christians believe the battle will be in Israel, specifically in the Megiddo Valley ("har Megiddo", Anglicized via Greek as "Armageddon")

In the Christian eschatology, Islam doesn't factor into Armageddon at all. it can't, because when Revelations was written, Islam did not even exist.

Now personally, I believe the Bible vehemently talks AGAINST what so many Fundamentalist Christians believe about the "end times" and "Armageddon". But that's just me. They can believe whatever the hell they want, since they will have to answer to God for it, not me. I'm only responsible to answer for what I believe,not what they do. Their religion is between them and their god, and that goes for everyone. You can't order a person to worship YOUR god. There are specific laws and prohibitions against that sort of thing in the US.

But I believe a lot of "strange" stuff that is based on the Bible, not what some jackass tells me the Bible says. I've never trusted a preacher that discourages you from finding out for yourself, and I've never trusted a preacher that thinks he has to "interpret" the Bible for me in order for me to get it right. I can read, thanks very much.

Nor can I see military officers risking their entire careers by violating their oaths and violating the UCMJ. Officers are usually pretty protective of their gravy-train careers.

So, basically, I'd say that this is a partisan hack attack, and nothing will actually come of it. It's just political smoke and mirrors, with the smoke part being blown up our asses by political hacks.

.

I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

Let's not forget the Israel/U.S.A. connection both in a dying ideological religions and warmongering for U.S. profit.

My first impression of the U.S. getting into other country's wars is feeding the war machine to make more money because the tariffs are a fail and Trump and Netanyahu need wars to keep them in power and from going to prison.

"Meanwhile, some American Christian groups frame the conflict as a "holy war" between God and Satan, viewing Israel’s defense as divinely ordained.  This religious framing influences political rhetoric, with figures like Senator Lindsay Graham describing the conflict as religious in nature. However, public opinion in the U.S. has grown skeptical: a 2025 Pew Research survey found 59% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Israeli government, reflecting deepening concern over the war’s conduct and humanitarian impact"

https://forward.com/culture/566658/israel-hamas-gaza-holy-war-christian-zionism/

Now Iran's government is labelling this as a 'holy war', but it's just the same wars which have been raging on since religion was invented.

"Since the revolution, Iran’s theocratic regime, led by Ayatollah Khomeini, declared Israel an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and vowed its destruction. This ideological opposition fueled decades of proxy conflict, with Iran supporting groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis to challenge Israeli and U.S. influence across the Middle East."

https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/10/humiliation-and-transformation-the-islamic-republic-after-the-12-day-war/

Again, 59% of Americans hold an unfavourable view of the Israeli government, so why is the U.S. fighting Israel's wars for them?

Even the pentagon called out Trump , by saying there was no imminent threat from Iran to America . 

Pentagon tells Congress no sign that Iran was going to attack US first, sources say

Trump is totally clueless what he is doing , or that is what it to me look like . 

Iran has also more intel than many thought,  one single missle strike killed 6 American soldiers , they knew exactly where they were. Either Chinese or Russia is giving targets.

(38 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(45 minutes ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(58 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(2 hours ago)Ninurta Wrote: I believe the news reports of these occurrences are true, but I do not believe the MRFF reports are true. I'd say, from the way the MRFF releases are worded, that this is just another partisan attack, and I think the MRFF is probably "cooking up" their alleged reports coming out of the military.

In short, I think the MRFF is lying, and the news services reporting on it are being led astray, probably willingly.

Any "end times" or "armageddon" links would necessarily be following Islamic eschatology rather than Chrstian eschatology. For Iran to have a central role in it, that would be a verification of the "Black Flags from Khorasan" Islamic prophecies, not Christian prophecies.Fundamentalist Christians believe the battle will be in Israel, specifically in the Megiddo Valley ("har Megiddo", Anglicized via Greek as "Armageddon")

In the Christian eschatology, Islam doesn't factor into Armageddon at all. it can't, because when Revelations was written, Islam did not even exist.

Now personally, I believe the Bible vehemently talks AGAINST what so many Fundamentalist Christians believe about the "end times" and "Armageddon". But that's just me. They can believe whatever the hell they want, since they will have to answer to God for it, not me. I'm only responsible to answer for what I believe,not what they do. Their religion is between them and their god, and that goes for everyone. You can't order a person to worship YOUR god. There are specific laws and prohibitions against that sort of thing in the US.

But I believe a lot of "strange" stuff that is based on the Bible, not what some jackass tells me the Bible says. I've never trusted a preacher that discourages you from finding out for yourself, and I've never trusted a preacher that thinks he has to "interpret" the Bible for me in order for me to get it right. I can read, thanks very much.

Nor can I see military officers risking their entire careers by violating their oaths and violating the UCMJ. Officers are usually pretty protective of their gravy-train careers.

So, basically, I'd say that this is a partisan hack attack, and nothing will actually come of it. It's just political smoke and mirrors, with the smoke part being blown up our asses by political hacks.

.

I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

Let's not forget the Israel/U.S.A. connection both in a dying ideological religions and warmongering for U.S. profit.

My first impression of the U.S. getting into other country's wars is feeding the war machine to make more money because the tariffs are a fail and Trump and Netanyahu need wars to keep them in power and from going to prison.

"Meanwhile, some American Christian groups frame the conflict as a "holy war" between God and Satan, viewing Israel’s defense as divinely ordained.  This religious framing influences political rhetoric, with figures like Senator Lindsay Graham describing the conflict as religious in nature. However, public opinion in the U.S. has grown skeptical: a 2025 Pew Research survey found 59% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Israeli government, reflecting deepening concern over the war’s conduct and humanitarian impact"

https://forward.com/culture/566658/israel-hamas-gaza-holy-war-christian-zionism/

Now Iran's government is labelling this as a 'holy war', but it's just the same wars which have been raging on since religion was invented.

"Since the revolution, Iran’s theocratic regime, led by Ayatollah Khomeini, declared Israel an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and vowed its destruction. This ideological opposition fueled decades of proxy conflict, with Iran supporting groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis to challenge Israeli and U.S. influence across the Middle East."

https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/10/humiliation-and-transformation-the-islamic-republic-after-the-12-day-war/

Again, 59% of Americans hold an unfavourable view of the Israeli government, so why is the U.S. fighting Israel's wars for them?

Even the pentagon called out Trump , by saying there was no imminent threat from Iran to America . 

Pentagon tells Congress no sign that Iran was going to attack US first, sources say

Trump is totally clueless what he is doing , or that is what it to me look like . 

Iran has also more intel than many thought,  one single missle strike killed 6 American soldiers , they knew exactly where they were. Either Chinese or Russia is giving targets.

I think Iran does have more Intel than many thought, or some U.S./Israel allies are playing both sides for their own gains.

I was thinking of making a 'make love, not war' thread but I imagine it would have ended up with the same intention/context as this one, that being, discussing the makings of war.

(17 minutes ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(38 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(45 minutes ago)Kenzo1 Wrote:

(58 minutes ago)quintessentone Wrote:

(1 hour ago)Kenzo1 Wrote: I read more on other sites , one is this : 

When Attacking Iran Becomes a Self-Fulfilling Prophecy

and this 

The end-times theology driving US intervention in Iran

End Times Obsession and the Cost of Indifference.


I dont know, but looking what`s going on now ....all seems to look more like setting the stage for " something ugly"  rather than...rational moves .It`s not looking like rational adults game at all. 


SecDef nominee Pete Hegseth is a dangerous End Times religious fanatic Armageddon pushing Zionist who wants to start World War III

Let's not forget the Israel/U.S.A. connection both in a dying ideological religions and warmongering for U.S. profit.

My first impression of the U.S. getting into other country's wars is feeding the war machine to make more money because the tariffs are a fail and Trump and Netanyahu need wars to keep them in power and from going to prison.

"Meanwhile, some American Christian groups frame the conflict as a "holy war" between God and Satan, viewing Israel’s defense as divinely ordained.  This religious framing influences political rhetoric, with figures like Senator Lindsay Graham describing the conflict as religious in nature. However, public opinion in the U.S. has grown skeptical: a 2025 Pew Research survey found 59% of Americans now hold an unfavorable view of the Israeli government, reflecting deepening concern over the war’s conduct and humanitarian impact"

https://forward.com/culture/566658/israel-hamas-gaza-holy-war-christian-zionism/

Now Iran's government is labelling this as a 'holy war', but it's just the same wars which have been raging on since religion was invented.

"Since the revolution, Iran’s theocratic regime, led by Ayatollah Khomeini, declared Israel an illegitimate "Zionist regime" and vowed its destruction. This ideological opposition fueled decades of proxy conflict, with Iran supporting groups like Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis to challenge Israeli and U.S. influence across the Middle East."

https://www.fpri.org/article/2025/10/humiliation-and-transformation-the-islamic-republic-after-the-12-day-war/

Again, 59% of Americans hold an unfavourable view of the Israeli government, so why is the U.S. fighting Israel's wars for them?

Even the pentagon called out Trump , by saying there was no imminent threat from Iran to America . 

Pentagon tells Congress no sign that Iran was going to attack US first, sources say

Trump is totally clueless what he is doing , or that is what it to me look like . 

Iran has also more intel than many thought,  one single missle strike killed 6 American soldiers , they knew exactly where they were. Either Chinese or Russia is giving targets.

I think Iran does have more Intel than many thought, or some U.S./Israel allies are playing both sides for their own gains.

I was thinking of making a 'make love, not war' thread but I imagine it would have ended up with the same intention/context as this one, that being, discussing the makings of war.

Yeeh well , it`s starting to look like we entered new level in this game , a scorched-earth level .  So "make love , not war " starts looking more interesting choice if anyone ask me.  Israel is getting smoked with missiles, and U.S / israel cant prevent it.