Quote:...a man I shall call “Major Murphy,” although his actual rank is much higher than that of Major....Major Murphy, who retired from a U.S. Intelligence service quite a few years ago, had seen action in World War II in Italy...

Then he posed a question that, obvious as it seems, had not really occurred to me: “What makes you think that UFOs are a scientific problem?”...Now, the UFO phenomenon could be controlled by alien beings. “If it is,” added the Major, “then the study of it doesn’t belong in science. It belongs in Intelligence.” Meaning counterespionage. And that, he pointed out, was his domain.

Now, the UFO phenomenon could be controlled by alien beings. “If it is,” added the Major, “then the study of it doesn’t belong in science. It belongs in Intelligence.” Meaning counterespionage. And that, he pointed out, was his domain.

“Are you saying that the UFO data we use to compile statistics and to find patterns with computers are useless?” I asked. “Might we be spinning our magnetic tapes endlessly discovering spurious laws?”

“It all depends on how the team on the other side thinks. If they know what they’re doing, there will be so many cutouts between you and them that you won’t have the slightest chance of tracing your way to the truth. Not by following up sightings and throwing them into a computer. They will keep feeding you the information they want you to process. What is the only source of data about the UFO phenomenon? It is the UFOs themselves!”

First you should work entirely outside of the organized UFO groups; they are infiltrated by the same official agencies they are trying to influence, and they propagate any rumor anyone wants to have circulated. In Intelligence circles, people like that are historical necessities. When you’ve worked long enough for Uncle Sam, you know he is involved in a lot of strange things. The data these groups get are biased at the source, but they play a useful role. “Second, you should look for the irrational, the bizarre, the elements that do not fit: that’s what I have come to observe at this meeting tonight. Have you ever felt that you were getting close to something that didn’t seem to fit any rational pattern, yet gave you a strong impression that it was significant?”

Quote:I told him about the incident involving Melchizedek. He looked at me in a strange way and said: “I would follow that track seriously if I were you.”

Quote:Genuine “contactees” like Helen are already busy preparing these changes. They mean business. They are sincere. They obey what they believe to be orders coming from a higher cosmic level. Most scientists think this is a delusion of no importance. I differ from them in believing that these contactees are being used in a dangerous way, and that the symbolism they propagate will make a deep impact on our lives.

Quote:Genuine “contactees” like Helen are already busy preparing these changes. They mean business. They are sincere. They obey what they believe to be orders coming from a higher cosmic level. Most scientists think this is a delusion of no importance. I differ from them in believing that these contactees are being used in a dangerous way, and that the symbolism they propagate will make a deep impact on our lives.


They take lie detector tests and pass them: Betty Hill in Portsmouth, Charlie Hickson in Pascagoula, Travis Walton in Arizona. We are asked to accept this “scientific evidence.” We enter a hospital room in Anaheim, California. A young woman is speaking slowly in a hypnotic trance. She recalls an amazing experience:

I’m lying on one of those tables. Uh – that one that was closest to me still seems to be the one that’s in charge of things. Uh – my heart is beating really fast because I’m really scared, even though he has communicated to me not to be afraid.

The hypnotist, a medical doctor with long clinical experience, gently urges her on.

Got…one of those machines for taking the blood. It’s like a needle on the long end of one of those tubes. So, it’s just – took it out real quick. Almost like a vacuum. And…his fingers are kind of cold and clammy.

Another piece of data for the extraterrestrial file? Guess again. This young woman is a subject who has never seen a UFO. She demonstrates that the “abduction” experience is a constant that hypnosis can trigger in almost anybody.

(01-06-2026, 10:00 AM)F2d5thCav Wrote: The mucking about of intel agencies in the phenomena is messy.

Regarding abductions, there was a semi-famous case in France in which French intel operators abducted someone and tried to make the abductee think it was a UFO/entity abduction.

Quote:Mishlove: But you did repeat that study with the famous out of body experiencer, Robert Monroe. 

Tart: Yes. And he couldn’t quite do as well on some things and his physiology was different. Again, it demonstrated the validity of this stuff. We can apply science and learn more about OBEs. It’s not just, well, there are these weird people who have funny experiences. The idea of the soul has clearly come through an out-of-the-body experience all through history. It’s not Greek theologians debating about a word that means wind and then just arrive at the concept of the soul.

Quote:Mishlove: You got associated with Dr. Andrija Puharich back in the 1950s. He had the Round Table Foundation, as I recall, up in Maine. Puharich is known these days mostly, I suppose, for his discovery of Uri Geller, the Israeli psychic, but back in those days he had an active research program, and you became an associate of his. 

Tart: Yeah, in 1953 I went off to college, MIT. I thought I was going to be an engineer.

Quote:Tart: We had a psychic research club that we had founded. We had Puharich come down and talk. I was fascinated enough by what he’d done to say, “I need a summer job to earn money for college. You’ve got a position open?” He had a research assistant position open. I earned a dollar an hour, which I thought was good back then.

Mishlove: In fact, you are the person who introduced the phrase ‘out-of-body experience’ into the research literature. 

Tart: Although, unfortunately, I originally thought out-of-the-body experiences needed an acronym to be scientific: so O-O-B-E’s, out-of-body experiences. I made a terrible mistake because people started coming up to me after lectures saying, “I want to tell you about my OOBEs.” I never thought anybody would pronounce it. So just OBE’s, out-of-body experiences.

Quote:State of the U(fo)nion

With the appearance of Jacques Vallee amongst the panelists at Sol, I am left to wonder if he is reminded of his past work, specifically 1979’s Messengers of Deception. This book, more focused on the dynamics of UFO belief than the phenomena itself, sees Vallee reach uncomfortable conclusions about where the culture was being led when left to its own devices on the fringes. He writes:

"I don't think we should expect salvation from the sky. I believe there is a very real UFO problem. I have also come to suspect that it is being manipulated for political ends. And the data suggest that the manipulators may be human beings with a plan for social control. Such plans have been made before, and have succeeded. History shows that having a cosmic mythology as part of such a plan is not always necessary. But it certainly helps."

Vallee also is concerned about another development seen in the rise of UFO religions: "In the absence of serious, unbiased research on the subject, the belief in the imminence of UFO ‘contact’ undermines the image of Man as a master of his own destiny. Is this concern not at risk of coming to pass—albeit through Western military structures as opposed to extraterrestrial or foreign means? Are large swaths of people not allowing themselves to be subjugated by the authority of imperial powers—entities that have rarely had the greater public interest in mind?

(01-07-2026, 05:13 PM)DaphneApollo Wrote:

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He says ^ exactly what I have believed for years, the Great Delusion is coming don’t be taken in.   

Good thread

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