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Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-06-2026 I have been skeptical on the effects of the tones on meditation for a while and I have done the Monroe tapes. Basically the idea is that these frequencies syncs brain hemispheres and gives you super powers during and after meditation. The main issue for me is that meditation is as old as time including synching brain hemispheres and so is whatever psychic abilities. Personally I'm of the opinion lifestyle and knowledge is where the magic is but regardless lets do some experiments. https://www.monroeinstitute.org/pages/monroe-sound-science https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/agricultural-and-biological-sciences/brain-waves Quote:Frequency band Frequency Brain states I will record my meditation sessions here using different frequencies over days or weeks or until I get bored The first session was this morning at 8AM utilizing 10Hz (the time of day has nothing to do with my wakeful state I have a highly irregular sleeping pattern, recording for esoteric purposes) Meditated for 30min. Got little random muscle spasms almost immediately, it's pretty much just like getting an electric shock in a localized area. Had a brief moment of 'fear of apparitions' but got over that quickly. Pretty chilled otherwise, mostly darkness and some light patterns. Right at the end I started getting hypnogenic hallucinations (nothing noteworthy) and was disappointed when the alarm sounded because I was ready to sleep. 30min is a long time for dream states to start usually it's much quicker 10min or so. Focus and relaxation was easy right from the start. And that is the first entry...hmmm what else I will try and do nothing weird and just stick with basic observation and clearing my mind. Mediation will be done with a mask that blocks out all light. Wondering if my eyes are open or not is a major distraction and so is portals opening up with little cherubs running around the room RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-06-2026 12:15PM 7.83 Hz the Schumann resonance 45 min session, was aiming for an hour but got interrupted. It was difficult to focus or more accurately not thinking about anything and just observing. Wish I could just say it was because the day is in full swing and lots on my mind, but I normally have good afternoon session. Will do the same again tomorrow and just swap the frequencies/times. Had some twitches starting out, more like jerks not the rippling electric stuff. Fully aware of my body the whole time. Annoying flashing at the start also, like looking into a strobe. Blood pressure or something I think. I was surprised by how much time had passed at the end, it felt like visions started sooner but considering how much time had passed I'm not so sure. Maybe need to setup a timer that dings every 15min or something like that. Pulsating sensations was prominent, particularly in areas where I had pain. Did I say I had a hard time focusing? Had to do some tricks to relax, breathing and drawing energy through my chakras etc... The visions, still images nothing dream like. One was overcast with blue sky showing through, standing slightly elevated looking towards the ocean with a telephone pole close to me. Then a dude with a cap, middle aged looking off to the side, seated. Dark clothing. Big guy I think. Couldn't make out much else of that. Somewhere in-between was a farm animal - a pig or bull something stuck on fence trying to get through, it wasn't super clear. edit: forgot, said a prayer for a friend halfway through, that's how bad my focus was RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-07-2026 Did guided meditation last night around 7:15PM, no weird tones or anything like that, just a lady taking for 50min or so. Maintained good focus throughout. Could visualize everything, felt what ever sensation she suggested, 'feeling' I guess is a thing for me, the suggestion of feeling heat was felt. It's kinda weird...nothing else happened though. It was all guided so go figure. Pulsating sensations again. I still don't get the vibrations thing that everyone talks about, I don't know if it's just a trope or what. There was a free bit at the end where I was just supposed to let whatever images surface, can't recall anything now though so who knows. Overall it wasn't very deep and I had trouble falling asleep even though I was tired after. That's it, could clear my mind and maintain focus for 50min. Today I'm not in a good space, seeing allot of annoying shit in the media and other comments on social media so probably not going to do anything. People are still viewed as insane for talking about ESP or any other phenomena and want us locked up. I have literally been threatened on having my life ruined for talking about this stuff. I have had a lifetime of abuse in all forms and ridicule so I'm okay, others might snap. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-08-2026 Absolute disaster I don't even want to continue. Had the worst day yesterday. Mood was rotten and kept seeing everything I visualized, both mentally and physically in news articles and youtube video's etc. Is not good. Had trouble falling asleep again and I can put myself to sleep so it's all ridiculous. I have a suspicion that whatever these tones does, the effects last long after and have read something to that effect. I want get some of the science stuff in here, there are many studies. Not sure when I will have time though. This was the first thing that popped up on my phone https://hackaday.com/2026/01/06/faraday-effects-emerging-from-the-optical-magnetic-field/ it's related... and this https://www.sciencealert.com/we-emit-a-visible-light-that-vanishes-when-we-die-surprising-study-says RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - Michigan Swamp Buck - 01-08-2026 I saw The Binaural Beats live in concert. Actually, I thought that was used in mind control experiments. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-08-2026 (01-08-2026, 11:27 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: I saw The Binaural Beats live in concert. Yes it is used in mind control experiments but also just everyday by many people across the world. Did 6Hz at 12:30PM for an hour Passed out basically and that's it. Vaguely remember seeing allot of stuff and dreaming. Not very deep sleep. Couldn't focus at all, maybe 10 seconds at a time. In fact I would say I was unfocused, but very active visuals. At one point I was working on a computer and thought "oh shit I'm dreaming" and then nothing just the alarm going off . Oh look at this Quote:that that combination of frequencies Quote:Acetylcholine is the neurotransmitter used at the neuromuscular junction. In other words, it is the chemical that motor neurons of the nervous system release in order to activate muscles. This property means that drugs that affect cholinergic systems can have very dangerous effects ranging from paralysis to convulsions. Acetylcholine is also a neurotransmitter in the autonomic nervous system, both as an internal transmitter for both the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system, and as the final product released by the parasympathetic nervous system.[2] Acetylcholine is the primary neurotransmitter of the parasympathetic nervous system.[3][4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acetylcholine Could explain the weird spasm and the sympathetic and the parasympathetic nervous system is really what you try to mess with during meditation, the breathing exercise leans into that and you effect heart rate with meditation because of the rhythmic breathing. There is some weird stuff about setting up standing waves that can be measured, need to look for that. Also how long the effects actually last. If it's chemical then probably a while. Basically messing with my dopamine and acetylcholine levels and exaggerating that with meditation RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-11-2026 Abandoning this line of research for various reasons. 30min to an hour and breaks is they way I think. Do it for 30min, stop for 4 hours, or stop for just 15min, really need to experiment. If you are brave try using Cholinesterase inhibitors with the tones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cholinesterase_inhibitor Quote:Cholinesterase inhibitors (ChEIs), also known as anti-cholinesterase, are chemicals that prevent the breakdown of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine or butyrylcholine by cholinesterase. This increases the amount of the acetylcholine or butyrylcholine in the synaptic cleft that can bind to muscarinic receptors, nicotinic receptors and others. This group of inhibitors is divided into two subgroups, acetylcholinesterase inhibitors (AChEIs) and butyrylcholinesterase inhibitors (BChEIs). Used in chemical weapons apparently also and goes nice with mind control Quote:ChEls are widely used as chemical weapons. Since November 2019 the group of ACheIs known as Novichoks have been banned as agents of warfare under the Chemical Weapons Convention.[9] Novichok agents are neurotoxic organophosphorus compounds and are considered more potent than VX gas, also a neurotoxic organophosphorus compound.[10] Could be interesting to start with this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huperzine_A Quote:Huperzine A, a Lycopodium alkaloid, was first isolated in 1983 from Huperzia serrata,[2][3][4] a plant used in Chinese folk medicine. Huperzine A also exists in other Huperzia species, including H. elmeri, H. carinat, and H. aqualupian with varying quantities also..."weak NMDA receptor antagonist".. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NMDA_receptor_antagonist Quote:NMDA receptor antagonists are a class of drugs that work to antagonize, or inhibit the action of, the N-Methyl-D-aspartate receptor (NMDAR). They are commonly used as anesthetics for humans and animals; the state of anesthesia they induce is referred to as dissociative anesthesia. Quote:Dissociative anesthesia is a state where a person feels detached (dissociated) from their body and surroundings, experiencing pain relief (analgesia), memory loss (amnesia), and altered perception, often with hallucinations, making them seem awake but unresponsive, with ketamine and PCP being key examples. This unique anesthetic effect, caused by drugs blocking NMDA receptors, creates a "catalepsy" where the patient appears awake but disconnected, unlike traditional anesthesia Huperzine A may be used as a (very weak) Oneriogen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oneirogen Quote:An oneirogen, from the Greek ὄνειρος óneiros meaning "dream" and gen "to create", is a drug that induces a dream-like state of consciousness, also known as oneirophrenia. The term oneirogen, oneirophrenic, or oneiric, was introduced to refer specifically to ibogaine- and harmaline-type hallucinogens by William Turner and Claudio Naranjo in the 1960s and 1970s.[1][2][3][4][5] Subsequently, the term has also sometimes been used to refer to non-hallucinogenic drugs that facilitate dreaming. Quote:Huperzia serrata, the toothed clubmoss,[4] is a plant known as a firmoss. The species is native to eastern Asia (China, Tibet, Japan, the Korean peninsula, the Russian Far East).[5] It is also found in the main islands of Hawaii with the exception of Maui, but is considered vulnerable by NatureServe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huperzia_serrata RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 01-15-2026 ..ibogaine..incase you missed it in the quotes. Deserves a deeper look. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 02-19-2026 Forbidden Science 6 Quote:Again, these comments match things we’ve known from many cases and books about close encounters. But the anonymous author of the UK report provides more specific observations: Quote:Hummingbird. Sunday 17 January 2016. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - IgnorantGod - 02-19-2026 Really interesting thread, thanks for the personal account on this! I tried some meditative sessions for some time a few months ago. From what I've read, it seems 'focused intent' play a major role in whatever can be achieved through it. Or rather, to express such intent 'throughout' the body. Or even to 'spread'/'communicate' such intent to the various 'fractal scales' of the body. A kind of harmonic/resonance at different 'levels' of physical reality. To trigger specific body parts and thus altering the nervous system up in the brain. It could be that binaural beats somewhat facilitate the 'state of mind' that helps in achieving the aforementioned processes. Or discreetly 'alter' some brain parts that are less active during the 'wake' state compared to the 'dream' state. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - sahgwa - 02-19-2026 I have used binaural beats in the past and currently. IN the past when I had all my hearing (although I am 42 years old I have left ear hearing loss due to Meniere's Disease) the binaural beats enabled easier faster muscle relaxation and also propagation of the 'vibrations' necessary to go out of body. Now that I am older, I use them on speakers instead and they dont work as well but they do definitely put your brain in a calmer state. You have to be receptive though its not a catch all band aid guarantee. It's essentially a helper to just relaxing yourself, by yourself . I do 40 mins of asana, in 'god ' posture, back straight in chair not moving. Thats the goal currently. sometimes i move once or twice. end goal is 60 mins . The pattern I notice and others in my Order (Thelemic order) is that at minute 30 is essentially the minimum mediation time you need for the brain to shut off. Heres my personal observation Min 0 to 15 monkey-chatter. let it play out. It slowly dissipates 15-25 or so physical deeper relaxation, or annoyance, depending. 25-35 brain turns off. total calm quiet state. sometimes 'no me' no ego no self no time even. 35-45+ no body no mind. flashes of insight/ precognition /travel come. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 02-20-2026 (02-19-2026, 05:10 PM)sahgwa Wrote: I have used binaural beats in the past and currently. 'or annoyance', hilarious, yup Thanks for the times, pretty much the same. Apparently our breathing pattern has something to do with how we keep track of time and changing breathing patters messes with perception of time. I have noticed when I mediate allot that I get an almost supernatural ability to keep track of time. Not sure how much is to do with just being very observant during such periods. (02-19-2026, 04:30 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: Really interesting thread, thanks for the personal account on this! I think more physiological, actual chemical changes in the body. There are some text on this breathing pattern make the blood alkaline and that one increases acidity, regardless if it's real enough it's talked about and there are neurotransmitters. Many talk about releasing DMT and inducing ecstasies is common and well documented. When I don't madidate for a long period I always get lots of muscles spasms and twitches when I start and then they become less over time. The twitches are dramatic, you can see the muscle jumping around. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - IgnorantGod - 02-20-2026 (02-20-2026, 02:23 AM)babushka Wrote: [...] I was partly refering to physiological change, albeit more centralized around a conscious state that 'allows' to trigger such. If I may elaborate a bit on the last statement of my previous post, the line of thought is to somehow 'force' the brain into a dream state, neurologically speaking. There seems to be increasing evidences of differences of the nervous system between the 'awake' state and the 'dream' state. Here's a 2011 paper I came across in order to support this : Dreaming and the brain: from phenomenology to neurophysiology In the section "Phenomenology of dreams and their relation to brain activity", they start by noting the similarities between the wake state and the REM sleep (Rapid Eye Movement) : Quote:"These phenomenological similarities are reflected in neurophysiological similarities between waking and dreaming. For historical and methodological reasons, most electroencephalogram (EEG) and neuroimaging studies have contrasted brain activity during quiet wakefulness with that observed during REM sleep, when subjects are most likely to report dreams[15–20]. At least superficially, the EEG looks remarkably similar in active waking and REM sleep. [...]" However, they also mention the differences of the conscious experience between both states : Quote:"Despite these remarkable similarities, what makes dream consciousness so fascinating are the ways in which it differs from our waking experience. Some of these phenomenological differences are accompanied by consistent neurophysiological differences."*Italic their Those are then elaborated in the following sub-sections. I'll only refer to the first two of these in this post, which are about reduction in voluntary control and volition, followed by reduction in self-awareness and altered reflective thought. They note that other studies suggest the implication of the right inferior parietal cortex during waking volition, and subsenquently infer that its inactivity during REM sleep may be related to the lack of voluntary volition in dreams. As to the second one, they mention a study that evidence the reduction of self-awareness during "highly engaging sensory perception in wakefulness" comes with a "deactivation of the prefontal cortex". Therefore, I believe that if one use meditation to focus on the body by 'silencing' one's thoughts and 'listen' to it, then one may be able to 'alter' its physiology, mostly in brain parts, and consequently 'blurring the boundaries of the self'. I think binaural beats are one among many ways to somewhat 'help' the physiological changes, althought that seems to require some 'actions' from the listener in order to 'optimize' those effects. As a last note, I link a more recent paper that cite the previous : EEG microstates of dreams Haven't read it entirely yet, but thought the first paragraph of the introduction could be of interest : Quote:A distinct feature of Non Rapid Eye Movement (NREM) sleep is low-frequency (< 4 Hz, delta) EEG synchronization with frequent appearance of large oscillations (slow waves) that are associated with brief periods of neuronal hyperpolarization1. The switch between up- and down-states reflects the bistability of the membrane potential of cortical neurons during sleep, which underlies an impairment of causal interactions among brain networks and loss of neuronal integration and communication2–4. Single neuron physiology and modeling suggest that low-frequency activity is related to neural mechanisms of inhibition5,6. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 02-20-2026 (02-20-2026, 04:06 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: I think more physiological, actual chemical changes in the body. There are some text on this breathing pattern make the blood alkaline and that one increases acidity, regardless if it's real enough it's talked about and there are neurotransmitters. Many talk about releasing DMT and inducing ecstasies is common and well documented. When I don't madidate for a long period I always get lots of muscles spasms and twitches when I start and then they become less over time. The twitches are dramatic, you can see the muscle jumping around. You are able to perceive more than one reality at a time. I can both be in a dream and be fully conscious, I can check the time and chase the cat off the bed without the dream stopping. I can have precognition, a dream and be visualizing whatever else at the same time. You can be lucid in a dream or just watch it like a movie. @sahgwa have you got a better way of describing this? The best I can come up with is fields and windows, maybe locals or some other word I forgot now. RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - sahgwa - 02-20-2026 (02-20-2026, 05:39 PM)babushka Wrote:(02-20-2026, 04:06 PM)IgnorantGod Wrote: I think more physiological, actual chemical changes in the body. There are some text on this breathing pattern make the blood alkaline and that one increases acidity, regardless if it's real enough it's talked about and there are neurotransmitters. Many talk about releasing DMT and inducing ecstasies is common and well documented. When I don't madidate for a long period I always get lots of muscles spasms and twitches when I start and then they become less over time. The twitches are dramatic, you can see the muscle jumping around. It may be a little cheesy, but I like the Monroe terminology and also the OOBE books I read and also personal experiences lead me to say that our various bodies have different memory storage capacities. Exprience shows me we have the physical ,the etheric, and the astral. Each one has a kind of 'hard drive' We can be in a lucid dream, but still be aware of our body and what is happening, because each one is storing to it's own memory. Robert Monroe calls it body asleep, mind awake. Also if you are doing scrying or astral travel, you can see other things with your third eye, but you are still vaguely aware of your body (usually). RE: Meditation and Binaural Beats - babushka - 02-21-2026 (02-20-2026, 08:19 PM)sahgwa Wrote: It may be a little cheesy, but I like the Monroe terminology and also the OOBE books I read and also personal experiences lead me to say that our various bodies have different memory storage capacities. I had a feeling you would say something about the bodies. Something about perception of self being the interface, like a focal point Meditated again yesterday with audio and noticed the muscle twitches all started wherever I'm suffering some kind of affliction first and then went to various other places after. Could be useful for diagnosing where issue are in the body. I'm sure it's electricity or I don't know what else could be triggering spasms. Maybe there is some kind of chemical that gradually increases, idk.. |