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Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - Michigan Swamp Buck - 09-18-2025
I'm not big into porn, internet or not, so I don't really care if they ban online porn. I can easily live without it. However, this bill is right out of the communist playbook (think China or North Korea).
You will not only be prevented from accessing it here in Michigan, but you won't be allowed to make it yourself, not even write pornographic stories or create a soundtrack that sounds sexual (no heavy breathing or moaning). No one in Michigan, including visitors, will be able to get trans material or make it themselves, and apparently, you won't be able to talk about it either. Do you use a VPN? Then you will be arrested for that alone, regardless of what you were doing online.
To think, some Michigan Republican has been working on this for a long time now, and with all the overreach, it has gone into communist territory now.
Quote:House Bill 4938, called the "Anticorruption of Public Morals Act," would prohibit the distribution of "real, animated, digitally generated, written, or auditory" depictions of sexual acts. The bill breaks down the types of acts covered, including intercourse and masturbation.
The bill also includes a section that takes aim at transgender individuals by prohibiting material "that includes a disconnection between biology and gender by an individual of 1 biological sex imitating, depicting, or representing himself or herself to be of the other biological sex."
The bill would require internet service providers in Michigan to use filters to prevent people from seeing the prohibited material.
If the bill were to become law, violators could be looking at prison time or hefty fines. Distributing the prohibited material or making it available online would carry a maximum prison sentence of 20 years and/or a $100,000 fine. If more than 100 pieces of prohibited material are involved, that penalty jumps to 25 years in prison and/or a fine up to $125,000.
Additionally, an internet service provider or commercial entity could face fines for knowingly allowing people to access sexually explicit material online.
The bill's sponsors are also pushing for violators of the Anticorruption of Public Morals Act to register as sex offenders.
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/total-porn-ban-proposed-michigan-lawmakers
Quote:WTF?! An increasing number of states and even countries are introducing age-verification systems to prevent minors from accessing adult websites. For adults unwilling to hand over personal details such as facial scans, VPNs have offered a workaround. But six Michigan Republican representatives have introduced a bill that would completely ban not only porn for everyone in the state but also VPNs. It also proposes placing porn distributors on the sex offenders registry and banning depictions of transgender people.
Rep. Josh Schriver of Oxford, the lead sponsor of House Bill 4938, named the Anti-corruption of Public Morals Act, wrote that its "measures defend children, safeguard our communities, and put families first."
https://www.techspot.com/news/109502-michigan-bill-seeks-total-ban-porn-ndash-vpns.html
RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - F2d5thCav - 09-18-2025
"no heavy breathing or moaning" LMAO, will they penalize panting dogs and yammering cats ?
RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - Michigan Swamp Buck - 09-18-2025
(09-18-2025, 12:21 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: "no heavy breathing or moaning" LMAO, will they penalize panting dogs and yammering cats ?
I may have been exaggerating that part for dramatic effect (or not).
RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - Michigan Swamp Buck - 09-19-2025
Pornography is promoting degenerate behavior in an effort to destroy our culture, our American way of life. It's part of the 45 communist goals entered into congressional records.
However, this bothers me because how will you judge what is pornographic? Better yet, the question should be "who will judge what is pornographic?" Can someone's subjective reaction (being aroused) to a video, a song, a book, or an artwork be enough to label it porn? Is it porn or is it "erotic" or "mature"? Where do you draw the line?
RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - Ninurta - 09-19-2025
(09-19-2025, 12:14 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Pornography is promoting degenerate behavior in an effort to destroy our culture, our American way of life. It's part of the 45 communist goals entered into congressional records.
Does it really "promote" degenerate behavior? Would it, for example, induce someone who was not already disposed to view it to seek it out? How, exactly, would it accomplish that? How would one select the censors who determine what is and is not porn if the act of viewing it would then corrupt them?
As far as porn being a communist plot goes, porn was around long before communism was even a totalitarian's wet dream. It extends back into prehistoric times, and can be found in prehistoric sculptures and cave paintings. It is just part of the makeup of some humans - which fact, by itself, does not preclude it being a "sexual aberration" - those run a gamut, a range of behaviors that, viewed by one human may be considered "degenerate" or "weird", but would seem perfectly normal to another.
What I'm getting at here is that just because you or I may think this or that is "degenerate", and would not view it or engage in it ourselves, does that give us the right to determine what someone else can or cannot do of view in the absence of it causing harm to some third party? If the answer to that is in the affirmative, where do we draw the line in our authoritarian quest to tell other folks what they can and cannot do, see, and think? For example, I believe eating veal promotes killing off baby animals, not much different than abortion - how much prison time should I give veal eaters? Or should I just execute them so that they aren't promoting degeneration in MY society?
Because you see, once we start telling others how they can and cannot live (in the absence of an action causing harm to third parties, of course), society is no longer a common property - it suddenly belongs only to the Masters, who believe themselves to have a birthright to tell the Slaves what they can and cannot do.
I find that to be objectionable and vulgar. I object to it whether the authoritarianism is coming from the Left OR the Right. A mere political leaning does not make it proper to seize unwarranted power over someone else. When we delegate the authority to a person or group that allows them to tell other, third parties how to live, how long will it be before those people turn that awesome power against those who delegated it to them to begin with?
To my way of thinking, there is far more danger to Society here in the "cure" than there is in the supposed disease.
Quote:However, this bothers me because how will you judge what is pornographic? Better yet, the question should be "who will judge what is pornographic?" Can someone's subjective reaction (being aroused) to a video, a song, a book, or an artwork be enough to label it porn? Is it porn or is it "erotic" or "mature"? Where do you draw the line?
Exactly. If a concrete, objective definition of what constitutes "porn" is not codified into the law, and it is instead left to a subjective opinion, it seems that Society then becomes hostage to the whims and vagaries of someone I might find to have "weird" tastes, who then has the authority to impose those weird tastes upon ME.
For example, there is a certain class of people who are aroused by shoes and feet. I find that weird, but I prefer to live and let live. I don't care if they are engaging in viewing shoe ads or bare feet, so long as they are not forcing me to do the same. For them, shoe ads and bare feet are "porn", because that is what arouses them - are these censors going to take that into account, and ban both shoe ads AND going barefoot in summer time as "pornographic" or "indecent behaviors"?
"Hey Mac - get a load of the toes on THAT one! Hubba -hubba!"
It's ultimately unworkable, because there is nothing on this Earth that is not "porn" to someone. People are people, and there are uncountable paraphilias out there to keep the censors busy. The only ones that are objectively regulateable are the ones that cause harm to third parties - pedophilia, for example, which causes harm to random innocent children, and rape for another example, which causes harm to random innocent women.
That, by itself however, will not keep the power hungry from trying to be the Overlords of all the rest of us, thinking they have the right to regulate mere thought... which they do not, and can not.
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RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - rickymouse - 09-20-2025
I don't have a problem with them banning porn on the internet in Michigan. Especially since if you click on a porn site, it just asks you if you are over eighteen and gives you options of choosing from some porn catagories for free viewing. Kids can easily view porn, young kids are curious, and someone who is not even yet in their teens can get access to those films. I know lots of kids that can hack into parental controls probably way faster than us older people can. Adults usually write passwords down somewhere, this is relevant with parental controls too, and since we have to bypass parental controls to view some not so bad shows, kids watch what we are doing as we do it. They know where we store our passwords. Even an eight year old is smart enough to comprehend and learn how to do that.
Parental filters are easily hacked, and if kids watch that stuff, they might be more apt to be swept up by pedophiles. It becomes normal to them at too young of an age
So, even though I do not like censorship, lately I have seen so much abuse of everything by twisting things out of concept, I am starting to think we may need to start making truth and reason-ability part of our system. People are tricking us to believe in their distorted thinking or beliefs. I grew up going to sunday school and church, and maybe I am not religious anymore, but lots of the concepts I was taught about telling the whole and real truth are part of my life. Sure, anyone can get deceived, but I try not to parrot things without verifying if they are mostly true, and lately, do not believe in the interpretations of scientific evidence they are trying to persuade us into believing...especially in the medical and health fields...in fields where money is made if they parrot misinterpreted scientific evidence.
RE: Total porn ban proposed by Michigan lawmakers - Michigan Swamp Buck - 09-20-2025
Rickey, it comes down to strict home-training. Spare the virtual rod more or less.