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Past and future Gods - 727Sky - 08-02-2025
The oldest known religion found so far was around 35,000 years ago (call it Paleolithic spirituality) located in Manot cave; some where around Israel . There was another recent find of a possible religious site dated to 51,200+ years ago.. I figure as long as people were smart enough to reason and be afraid of the unknown there was some kind of religion ...????
When I think of all the Gods that have been prayed to since mankind developed a semi inquiring superstitious mind it really is mind boggling to anyone who thinks about such things. I don't get faithfully excited about the latest Sky Fairy that insist on killing all non believers as this is but one more example of idiots being superstitious idiots IMO..
Mesopotamia prayed to 3600 gods as they believed a separate god was responsible for just about everything. No wonder it was finally decided one all powerful "TRUE" god was easier to remember after Mesopotamia's society was destroyed. I wonder what the god of a good bowel movement looked like ?
Most of the ancient gods existed until the society that spawned them was destroyed in war, famine, or pestilence.. Think of all the people on their knees praying to their god and protector to save them as the blade, stone axe, or bullet descended to take their life. Your Enemy is evil, as you are to your enemy, and both sides pray to their god (s) for victory.. One side will be disappointed.
Animism, Shamanism, Divination, you name it as some people will believe in anything. I remember some soldiers rushing to get a certain Buddhist tattoo that would protect them from enemy bullets.... Those who survived swore it was due to their faith and the tattoo while those who died did not have enough faith or maybe the tattoo artist messed up.. People will believe in anything if afraid enough.
About one billion people believe and are part of the Hindu faith...4000 years of their gods and still chugging along..
I remember during a mortar attack as stuff was being blown up around me through my own lips passed, " God please make them stop !" My Prayer was answered sometime later because the bad guys ran out of mortars or god was listening ?
So people can believe anything they want if it brings them peace and fulfillment as long as they do not force themselves upon others like, "you believe my way or burn in hell for all eternity," or,,, we cut very important pieces of your body off until you believe like us..
This story comes from the Amazon: The Chief's/head man's daughter got pregnant which meant her boyfriend would be found and killed; she would be banned from the tribe as she was not married to the boy (serious birth control IMO). This particular tribe believed the White river dolphin was a shape shifting spirit that could change form so..... the girl claimed the River dolphin came to her during the night and got her pregnant and promised her the child would be special. Case closed as who would argue with the Chief's daughter ??
All of us have or want some kind of spiritual connection and many will go to extreme links to establish a connection whether real or imagined. Religion has been just another way of coping with the unknown and giving solace to the afraid who believe if they tow the religious party line when they die it will be wonderful. 72 virgins comes to mind... Wonder what the Virgins think about all that ? Just another example of Overwhelming Propaganda Dominance by so called leaders who want control..
Ask yourself why does ignorance and superstition seem to be a universal trait with humans? There was a time when some of the greatest minds of Europe were debating on just how many angels could dance upon the head of a pin.. Just another worth while endeavor for a bunch of devout superstitious individuals. I do think Science is the answer as few people can figure anything out by praying except for their own selfish desires/goals being laid bare. When I say Science I mean real science not the bought and paid for out come science rammed down our mental throats.
I am of the opinion that Noah's Ark and other plagiarized fairy tales are just stories written by man to reinforce and put the fear of god in the uneducated/unknowing which the religious institutions use as societal control. Yep all the ancient written records have a flood myth but only one Noah in the christen bible. The whole inbreeding thingy must have been waved to repopulate the earth, no ??
Religions in many cases are a destructive force which has been responsible for untold thousands of deaths and wars, all in the name of some silent unseen sky fairy who has mankind write what the god supposedly wants us to believe. Key words being "man writes what is to be believed" and then the man claims his hand was guided by some supreme god. Thousands of years of stifled growth and advancement due to some written words supposedly by a god who promises paradise after you are dead yet written by men who seek power "NOW " and live in a fantasy of their own creation..
To many gods and great human deeds have been buried in the sands of history, all forgotten to never have been known in history what actually happened; much less the reasons for so many souls to give up their lives as their gods were forgotten long ago.
Sad
Nothing earth shattering just some random thoughts
RE: Past and future Gods - Kenzo1 - 08-02-2025
It has been a violent bloodbath.....history .
RE: Past and future Gods - Ninurta - 08-03-2025
I'm of the opinion that ta lot of those Old Gods were developed from someone's very real, very human, ancestors. As time rolled along and stories were told of the Ancestors and the Good Old Days, those ancestors got "deified" somewhere along the trail, and next thing you know, there were gods.
Gilgamesh was a Mesopotamian "demigod", who started out as just another guy, a king of Uruk. Somewhere along the line, he gained demigod status as folks started thinking of him as "2/3 god, 1/3 man", and later on he achieved full deity in his own right, although I forget what he was god of just now- but I know he was prayed to by Mesopotamians, and sat in judgement on a throne somewhere about something.
According to the Volsung Saga, Odin, too, started out as a village chief of a village named "Asgard". Just another man. but, along the way, he achieved godhood over generations of story-telling, until finally he was prayed to by nearly all Scandinavians.
Christians, too, are turning Jesus into a demigod, to the point that now they are claiming that he is part of a Triune "Godhead", a Trinity... but that belief was not always so, either. I think it was the Council of Nicea - but I may be wrong about which council it was - who turned him into a god with their Trinity doctrine in the 4th century AD. Properly, Jesus is the Savior, a responsibility delegated to him by God, but is not a god himself. How can a god be killed? And, once dead, how could a god raise himself from the dead if he IS dead? The Bilb tells us that "the dead know nothing", so, knowing nothing, how could even a god raise himself up by his own bootstraps?
That's one of the hooks Moslems use to hang Christians on - they have three gods, not one as their own Bible plainly tells them there is supposed to be. So Moslems have a valid argument that Christians are "polytheists", due to their belief in three gods instead of one as a true Monotheist would believe.
Some of them developed from "nature spirits", ro the personification of natural elements - gods of thunder, gods of war, gods of water, gods of air, gods of fire, etc.
That's not to say that there are no real gods or spirits, just that they've been confused by many because, "feelings". The facts are, feelings come and feelings go, and feelings are fleeting, a poor foundation to build a god upon... and feelings are what most of the "religious" run on. Mohammed, for example - his god had a tendency to suddenly think of "laws" that benefited Mohammed, and that usually happened just as Mohammed needed that benefit. How convenient for him, to have a god on retainer to do his bidding!
Yes, I believe in a God, and I believe in spirits, but they're mine, and I don't share. I have no need to go around killing folk that don't think just like I do, because the fact is, no one does, and that would be an awful lot of killing which in the end would just leave me utterly alone anyhow. No percentages in it.
Science has it's uses, if performed correctly, but it's not the end-all, be-all answer to everything, no more than religion is. Matter of fact, science ans religion are two distinctly different methods of inquiry. The answer different sets of questions, and so are not mutually exclusive. Science can not answer religious questions, no more than religion can answer scientific questions. When folks start trying to mix, mingle, and confuse the two, we get weird shit like Young Earth Creationism and Scientology - those are just two sides of the same looney coin. In an effort to appease their gods, folks will try to force square pegs into round holes and call it "science" from their religious viewpoint, and likewise some scientists will try to force round pegs into square holes, and claim it answers a religious question. But really, the two never cross paths.
Science has to be repeatable and "falsifiable" ( that means verifiable, when looked at from the other direction) in order to be good science. Some things will simply not stand still to be poked and prodded fro science, nor will they jump through the same hoops repeatedly in order to be tested and verified. Those things are more properly the purview of religions and philosophies, both of which have their fair share of wannabe overlords who will make shit up just to answer a question they don't know the answer to.
In either case, I'm not willing to throw the baby out with the bath water. I won't turn my back entirely on religion, nor will I turn my back entirely on science - but I do think it behooves one to make a study of learning how to tell "good" science from "bad" science, and "good" religion fro "bad" religion. A failure to do so inevitably leads to folks getting hornswoggled and bamboozled in bth arenas, they get led right down the garden path - in both arenas.
Protip: if your god tells you that you have to kill off everyone that doesn't think like you, try telling your god that, if it's truly a god, it can do it's own damn killing if it wants someone un-alived. If your god can't do it's own killing if necessary, then it's not a god, it's Just Some Guy somewhere who is weaker than you, but expects you to build his empire for him. A "god" weaker than you are is not a god worthy of your worship, now is it? Maybe it should be worshiping YOU, eh?
Another protip: If a scientist somewhere tells you something that you can plainly see is untrue, that's a "shill", not a scientist. He, too, has political aims and goals, and he, too, wants you to build his empire for him. In those cases, trust your gut, and fuck the "science" rather than following it. If a scientific "finding of fact" has a clearly political result, it's not "science", it's "salesmanship". Run away from it, screaming if necessary.
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RE: Past and future Gods - Kenzo1 - 08-03-2025
I am considering a real possibility that there is more in the equation just just God ---Man . What if there are indeed other entities than those ? And we are played by the entities, which often may succeed and make us pretty damn mad ?
What if , we human are the weak, often stubid creatures that are on spritual battle constantly, which originates from entities hidden ?
Here is some links and copy & paste text related :
"You ever get the feeling that your emotions aren’t just reactions...they’re food? That something invisible feeds when you rage scroll, panic, get depressed, or spiral in anxiety? That feeling isn’t paranoia...as the ancients say. Across every ancient tradition...Gnostic, Vedic, Egyptian, Sumerian, Indigenous you’ll find references to NHI that harvest emotional energy. Beings that consume our fear, pain, worship, awe, and even love. They don’t want you dead. They want you alive and stimulated, because you’re a living generator of food. In the Gnostic texts, the Archons are said to manipulate perception and feed on the energy of human suffering. Their trick was keeping souls looping in ignorance, worshiping false realities. In the Vedas, Asuras and Rakshasas feed on tamasic energy which is fear, ignorance, and chaos. They thrive in confusion. In Islamic cosmology, the Djinn live in parallel worlds and are drawn to intense emotional states; especially fear and lust. And in the Egyptian Book of the Dead, parasites of the underworld are said to cling to the living, feeding on unresolved emotions. Hmmm? Now to modern times. What do people see in sleep paralysis? Shadow figures. Entities that press on the chest, drain the breath, feed off fear. What do abductees and experiencers describe? Beings that manipulate emotion, provoke terror, and seem less interested in information and more in reaction. Not many questions are asked by the beings. Even in extreme trauma cases, people describe something that feels like a presence consuming their energy, not physically, but emotionally intentional.
And now look at society... BLAM...rage addiction, manufactured fear, dopamine loops, echo chambers, attention farms. Do you think it’s just capitalism? Well ...maybe partially. But maybe the systems feeding off your pain aren’t only digital. Maybe the whole game is rigged to keep you oscillating between extremes; not to enslave you, but to harvest the energy your spirit emits when disturbed or distorted. And the more you awaken, the more you pull back from that loop, the less food you make. Maybe that’s why awakening isn’t easy. It’s not just a path...it’s an escape...to what the mystics called "freedom". The real freedom..not just the word.
This doesn’t mean you’re powerless. It means you’re actually vital! It means your state of mind, your clarity, your balance are currency in realms you’ve forgotten how to see. I think that’s the real meaning behind spiritual protection, grounding, prayer, mantra. Not superstition shielding. If even part of this is true, and every ancient culture swears it is, and my personal experiences mirror this, then learning to master your energy isn’t self help. It’s actually a rebellion. And every peaceful breath you take is a meal you just refused to serve. Namaste."
JasonWilde108
In Hindu lore, a Piśāca (Pees Hascha) is not a ghost or demon; it is a mind parasite, a creature of shadows that feeds not on flesh alone, but on madness, fear, and the unraveling of thought itself.
These beings are said to haunt cremation grounds, battlefields, and dying villages, invisible to most, but always watching. With shriveled, corpse like bodies and glowing, predatory eyes, Piśācas whisper in forgotten tongues and slip into the minds of the vulnerable, twisting memory, stirring delusion, and clouding perception. They are sentient illnesses, born from karmic corruption, capable of possession and deeply tied to the darker states of consciousness.
The ancient texts describe them as fallen beings, birthed from wrath and adharma, who now lurk at the threshold between the living and the dead. In the Mahābhārata and Manusmṛti, they are portrayed as consequences of unchecked desire, hate, and spiritual decay. Souls so twisted in life that they become tormentors in the afterlife. Piśācas eerily resemble accounts of modern shadow beings and psychic parasites; entities that seem to drain attention, induce insanity, or appear during altered states. These were not symbolic, but literal. The Piśāca represents a truth few want to face: there are intelligences that feed on human suffering, and some wear human skin.
@JasonWilde108
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RE: Past and future Gods - F2d5thCav - 08-03-2025
Yeah, I believe in God. Call that the Source, the Creator, whatever.
Religion is a framework for those who need a structured relationship with the Almighty.
Churches are manmade constructs that use faith as a tool to control people. I've reluctantly come to the conclusion that these kinds of 'social operations' are necessary as too many see no need to exercise self-control without a carrot- and stick approach.
