Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica

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Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - gortex - 06-20-2025

According to researchers the strange radio pulses were discovered using sensitive listening equipment attached to a balloon above the South Poll in the hunt for neutrinos , the signals they picked up would have had to travel through thousands of miles of rock to reach the surface , researchers believe the signals are not representative of neutrinos so what we have is a bit of a mystery.

Quote:"It's an interesting problem because we still don't actually have an explanation for what those anomalies are," Stephanie Wissel, a particle physicist and co-author of the study, said in a statement.

The project was designed to capture data about neutrinos — subatomic particles that are especially difficult to study because they lack electric charge and have minimal mass. These elusive characteristics have earned them the nickname "ghost particles".

But the confusing radio signals are "most likely not representing neutrinos," Wissel said. Existing models, she explained, predict that pulses caused by neutrinos would originate from angles very far from 30 degrees under the surface. The new study provides further evidence that neutrinos are probably not involved.
Using complex mathematical models and simulations, the research team also ruled out noise and known particle interactions as sources of the signals. They even examined data from other experiments to see if they observed any interaction that could cause the pulses, to no avail.
Since these observations can't be explained by the Standard Model, the theory that describes subatomic particles, the phenomenon responsible for these pulses could be key to unlocking new scientific understanding.

https://www.livescience.com/physics-mathematics/particle-physics/bizarre-radio-signals-that-defy-physics-detected-under-antarctica-its-one-of-these-long-standing-mysteries

Not sayin it's Aliens but ....
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RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - F2d5thCav - 06-21-2025

Better get your passport stamped for Neuschwabenland ... just sayin'

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RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - FCD - 06-21-2025

I've seen this story floating around in various forms for a little while now. I'm not sure I have fully digested what is going on scientifically.

RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - F2d5thCav - 06-22-2025

@"FCD"#472

Hear you. I'd like to hear more about the signals -- which band are they in and do they appear to be modulated in any way. I wonder if this is something somewhat like a piezoelectric phenomenon.

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RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - FCD - 06-22-2025

Every time I read one of these pieces I seem to have the same question. I can't seem to tell if this is much ado about nothing, or if there's actually something to this. It's like they've observed something but in order to understand what they've observed you have to divide one dbm above the noise floor into 10,000 tiny pieces, and what they're trying to find is in the very first segment of those 10,000 divisions.

It's kind of ironic actually; the phrase..."I can't tell if this is real, or if it's just 'noise' (floor)."...really seems to apply here.

I've spent many hours staring into a spectrum analyzer trying to chase 'ghosts' down around the noise floor, but most of those ghosts were 9,999x larger in magnitude than what they're talking about here (and yet these anomalies were still so small it was impossible to tell whether they were a product of normal background noise or something real). But again, maybe I'm not understanding.

And then there is what F2d5thCav talking about too..."Where in the spectrum are we talking about here? They never seem to say. Are we somewhere in the normal RF spectrum (i.e. ~ 3kHz to 275 GHz), or are we talking about some exotic frequency so far above or below the normal RF spectrum that there isn't even test equipment to measure it?"

Once again...is this just "noise" or is there something to this?

RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - gortex - 06-22-2025

Quote:Posted by FCD
Once again...is this just "noise" or is there something to this?

Still unknown at this point but a new bigger detector is being worked on by the steam behind the research so possibly more information will come from that.

Quote:The teams have been working on balloon projects for over a decade, Wissel explained, and added that her team is currently working on designing and building the next big detector. The new detector, called PUEO, will be larger and better at detecting neutrino signals, Wissel said, and it will hopefully shed light on what exactly the anomalous signal is.

“My guess is that some interesting radio propagation effect occurs near ice and also near the horizon that I don't fully understand, but we certainly explored several of those, and we haven't been able to find any of those yet either,” Wissel said. “So, right now, it's one of these long-standing mysteries, and I'm excited that when we fly PUEO, we'll have better sensitivity. In principle, we should be able to better understand these anomalies which will go a long way to understanding our backgrounds and ultimately detecting neutrinos in the future.”
https://www.psu.edu/news/research/story/strange-radio-pulses-detected-coming-ice-antarctica

Given the Alien base under Antarctica it could just be signal leakage.
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RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - F2d5thCav - 06-22-2025

@"FCD"#472

Cool if it was a form of spread-spectrum comms that operates very close to the noise floor but is still distinguishable by those intended to receive the signal.

Dam' break-away civilization teasin' us again Laughing

RE: Radio signals that defy physics detected under Antarctica - FCD - 06-22-2025

Well, that would have to be very clever because as you know, normal background noise varies depending on time of day, time of year, solar activity, location and frequency range. The normal background noise can be 20+dbm higher (or even way more depending on EMI) in the same area of the spectrum just 20 miles away. So, someone would have to be pretty bright (as in, smarter than the smartest genius to ever live) to develop something to predict that and then transmit just above it. In fact, this is one of the reasons I question what, if anything, they've actually discovered here.

As noted, I've spent countless hours staring into a spectrum analyzer looking for inter-modulation products in an area of the spectrum which because of location would plainly show up in a different location. And yet you have to find them, because if you don't while your S-N ratio might be okay today those things can (and will) come back to bite you tomorrow (and the reason there is because they are not products of nature, so they vary in different magnitudes (both directions) depending on ERP and many other factors).

Another factor I can't seem to wrap my head around is why anyone is spending (wasting?) time trying to prove the existence of neutrinos using what seems to me to be RF detection methodology. But maybe I've missed something. It seems to me we've got multi-trillion dollar accelerators which can accomplish testing in exponentially more granularity than trying to use RF (something I know a fair bit about, and which is as much art as it is science. Not really, but if you've worked with RF, you know what I'm talking about (i.e. art vs. science)).

edit - I guess the short way to say what I'm trying to say is... The box I need to check on this subject first is the box which says..."This is a legitimate area of study and NOT another government boondoggle and black hole to dump money into just to stroke some tech weenie's fantasy who has spent too many dark winters in Antarctica."