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Peace, Love, and Property Damage - EndtheMadnessNow - 05-06-2025

Hopefully nobody gets triggered by this piece.

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Quote:Ah, the Baby Boomer counter-culture. That flower-crowned fever dream of peace, love, and delusional utopianism. History remembers it fondly as the moment when an entire generation supposedly broke free of “the Man,” embraced sexual liberation, and fought for civil rights. But peel back the tie-dyed curtain, and what do we find? A mess. A loud, self-righteous, pot-smoke-reeking mess that promised liberation, but delivered gentrification, inflated real estate markets, and the spiritual death of rock 'n' roll.

In the interest of transparency, I am a Cusper. My folks were Depression/WW2 era, making me a Boomer, but many of my peers were the offspring of Boomers—i.e. Xers. By the time I became culturally aware, most of the damage was done. My first wife was a Boomer, and the second was an Xer, and frankly I don’t see a lot of difference.

Let’s begin with the obvious: the Boomers were the first generation in history to rebel against their parents because life was too good. Raised in an era of unprecedented prosperity, they somehow managed to mistake boredom for oppression. Imagine growing up with full employment, cheap tuition, affordable housing, and a pension plan at age 24—and deciding the real problem with society was that the living room wallpaper didn’t have enough mushrooms on it.

This was a revolution that claimed to be against consumerism, while being sponsored by Volkswagen. Yes, nothing screams anti-establishment quite like a mass-produced German vehicle commissioned by Adolf Hitler becoming the symbol of your movement. Boomers didn’t so much reject capitalism, as give it a makeover. Tie-dye T-shirts? Monetized. Anti-war slogans? Trademarked. LSD-induced spiritual awakenings? Published by HarperCollins and sold at Borders.

And let's not forget the music. Oh, the music! The soundtrack of their revolution—Dylan, Hendrix, Joni, Janis—was meant to stir souls and ignite change. But within a decade, those same anthems were background noise in elevators, car commercials and dental office waiting rooms. Woodstock, the pinnacle of hippie idealism, left behind not only good vibes and acid flashbacks, but also a mountain of trash, mud and hepatitis, not to mention “love children”. It was less a utopia and more a prototype for Burning Man with worse plumbing and no logistics.


Of course, the Boomers were very into social justice—when it meant skipping class and quoting Marx in between bong hits and Weathermen reports. But once the revolutions were over, they didn't exactly dismantle the systems they once raged against. No, they bought and packaged them. Wall Street? Now staffed by former flower children with ponytails and investment portfolios. The military-industrial complex? Still booming, just with better PR and possibly a few recycled drum circles. They didn’t kill the system. They moved into it, put their feet up, and asked what the pension plan looked like.

In fact, the anti-war generation has become one of the most bellicose in history, selling bombs to third-world countries, then bombing the buyers, all the while kicking back to the Boomer politicians who facilitated both ends of the deal.

And speaking of pensions—can we talk about housing? These self-proclaimed anti-materialists snatched up real estate like it was going out of style (it was). They turned every affordable neighborhood into an overpriced Whole Foods fantasy, then had the audacity to call millennials “entitled” for not being able to afford a broom closet in Haight-Asbury or a studio flat in Greenwich. They fought the man, then became the man, complete with mortgage-backed securities and vintage LPs that have tripled in value (see The Beatles “Yesterday and Today” unpeeled).

Let’s not gloss over the family values aspect, either. The generation that told their parents “you’re not the boss of me” then went on to raise latchkey kids with divorce rates that made 16th-century monarchs blush. Their parenting style? A cocktail of absenteeism, passive aggression, and vague talk of “finding yourself.” Thanks, Mom and Dad—you created the Therapy Industrial Complex.

And education—remember when Boomers protested universities for being too square? Fast-forward forty years and they're charging students $50,000 a year for the same Cultural Studies courses they once picketed. The revolution, it seems, had a tuition fee. Today's students graduate with debt that would bankrupt a small nation, all while Boomers moan that “kids these days don’t know the value of hard work.” This from the people who spent their formative years dropping acid and reading Siddhartha.


Sorry, I threw up a little bit in my mouth.

Even the environment didn’t get spared. Boomers were the original Earth lovers, sure. They hugged trees, wore hemp, and banned aerosols. But somehow, in the decades since, we’ve managed to cook the planet to a crisp under their watch. Turns out the “ecological consciousness” of the 1970s couldn’t withstand the allure of SUV Breeder Buses, air conditioning, and all-you-can-eat shrimp buffets.

And let’s be brutally honest: the cultural hangover is real. The Boomer legacy gave us new-age narcissism, pseudoscience, and a generation convinced that your chakras are the key to financial success. They replaced religion with horoscopes, wisdom with vibes, and civic duty with yoga retreats in Bali.

What began as a movement of hopeful rebellion mutated into an exercise in self-indulgence. The “don’t trust anyone over 30” crowd never trusted anyone under 30, once they hit 31. Their revolution wasn’t about changing the world—it was about feeling like they were changing the world, while ensuring they still got their tax credits and inherited cottages in the Catskills.



In short, the Baby Boomer counter-cultural revolution didn’t fail because it went too far. It failed because it didn’t sacrifice luxuries and financial security. It was theatre, not transformation. Noise, not substance. A marketing strategy masquerading as social change.

The Boomers were a demographic blob that descended like locusts on the social contract, leaving nothing but scraps and droppings in its wake. It was a drug-infused opium fantasy, couched in fecklessness, espousing liberation from reality.

So here we are—children of the revolution, left to clean up the mess and pay the bills. The peace signs have rusted, the vinyl smells of mildew, and the only thing truly counter-cultural left is financial solvency.

From neo-tribal communes, to the boards of corrupt NGOs, the Boomers’ legacy has bankrupted the treasury and society. The unicorn farts and sunbeams that recently crashed the European grid is a direct result of a self-indulgent generation hell-bent on making everyone else live by their dreams.


Perhaps the 21st century will come to be known as “The Great Mop-Up”.

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There is really only one counter-culture film worth mentioning, and that is Easy Rider (1969). This film is in the moment, of the moment and for the moment. If you haven’t seen it, it’s a must. If you have seen it, it’s been at least 30 years and time again. In many ways, this classic has almost become a documentary. Dennis Hopper co-wrote, directed and stars with Peter Fonda and Jack Nicholson.



RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - FCD - 05-06-2025

NOT directed at YOU, @"EndtheMadnessNow"
 

Triggered?  No, not really.  However, as a 'Cusper' myself (to coin the words of the author), I do have some observations.  Cool

First off, what a Millennial and Gen Z load of utter bullshit!  I could go line by line, but I won't.  I do think this piece encapsulates exactly how Millennials and Gen Z'ers feel about everyone but themselves, and all generations but their own.  In fact, you could group both together and call them the "Me!" generation.  'It's everyone else's fault'...is their slogan.  They've spent their entire adult live's whining and finding people to blame for their own lack of responsibility and accountability.

Spend any time on the cesspool called Reddit and you can see this same theme over and over again until you choke (to death).  It's a beehive of anti-boomers.  Boomers are to blame for everything, if you pay any mind to them. 

So, my rejoinder to the author of the quoted piece...

Who do you think built all this shit?  Certainly not the Millennials; they're challenged to even pick up a hammer or a shovel, let alone know how to use it, and the Gen Z'ers don't even know what the fk a hammer or a shovel even is!  Everything to them is..."Whaa, housing...whaa, jobs....whaa, prices...it's all their fault!"...from the comforts of their Mommy's basement.  It's pathetic, and this piece just reeks of it.  Paragraph after paragraph of..."It's all their fault!  I have no responsibility for any of it.  They did it, not me!  It was them!  And how would you act if you got handed a plate of shit like we've been handed?"  Well, listen up, Buck-o...just exactly who's payin' the fkin' bills around this joint while you play video games down in the basement and bitch about everything and anything?  Who paid for your tuition?  Not you!  No, we didn't let you take out a $500,000 loan and sell your soul to the Devil so you could go party in Fort Lauderdale twice a year, buy a bunch of senseless stuff, and be irresponsible (which you still are at 20-something).  But that wasn't good enough?  No, now you want to bitch about it.  Oh, and those jobs?  Yeah, well, those jobs involve getting your lazy ass up off the couch and going outside when it's cold out, or when it's hot out, or when it's raining, and working up a sweat (something you've never experienced).  'Influencer' wasn't a career path back then; there was no Internet (for you to go belly ache on Reddit).  The old man would have put a boot dead square in my ass if I ever said I wanted to be a prostitute, and that's exactly what 'Influencers' are!  But don't let me interrupt your OnlyFans time here.

And lets talk about something like cars for a moment, shall we?  Our idea of a car was something with four wheels and ran barely well enough to get to work.  Your idea of a "car" is a brand new Lexus, and anything short of this is categorically unacceptable and for "losers" (to your peers).  We didn't buy cars from a dealer, we bought them from the guy down the road who had an old junker out behind his shed that we wrenched on every night just to keep it running well enough to, you guessed it, save us from having to walk to work (which we would have done, BTW).  To you, cars are "too expensive".  Damn straight they are!  I can't even afford a Lexus today, let alone when I was 19!  Get your head out of your ass!

Oh, and housing?  Housing wasn't any more expensive then than it is now adjusted for inflation.  From our perspective, housing was always expensive...that's why we had to have a JOB to afford it!  Nobody gave us any of this stuff, we had to pay for it.  And we ate lots of Ramen noodles too to make sure the rent got paid.  Clubbing?  We didn't even know what a club was...because we couldn't even think about affording something like that.  The difference today is, you don't feel like you should have to pay for anything, that everything should just be given to you free of charge...so you can go to the club on Friday night, or pay for your precious cellular phone.  That's not how it works!  You want free?  Go live in Russia!  But you'll have to get a job there too, where the highest paid professional makes half what a McDonald's server makes today.  Your choice.

And on the subject of recreational drugs; at least we took drugs that didn't kill us and grew in the ditch by the side of the road.  We didn't go down the cleaning chemical aisle at Walmart and mix together all the stuff with skulls and crossbones on the label and then wait to see what happens.  

All that aside, you can call your generation anything you want, but "Mop up" ain't it, because this would mean you'd actually have to pick up a mop and use it, something you never learned how to do because it's beneath your 'Influencer' ass.  So, why don't you take a moment to put that gawd-forsaken phone down and pull your head out of your ass.  Complaining about everything ain't gonna' make anything better for you, and it certainly won't for the generation which follows you.  Which brings up another point...this generation you loathe so much?  Yeah, we built the future for follow-on generations.  What have you built?  Besides a massive mountain of butthurt?

What's gonna' happen when we're no longer around to blame?  Who ya' gonna' blame then?

Sincerely,
Your dad (who can still put a boot in your ass!), the true Cusper.   Smile

P.S. The dude who wrote that article is as far away from being a "Cusper" between Boomers and Gen X'ers as cats are different from ham sandwiches.  The author is clearly a solid late Millennial or early Gen Z'er.  If not, they're a liberal who don't have generational names; they've always been about blaming everyone else since the dawn of time.


RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - GeauxHomeLittleD - 05-06-2025

Speaking as an early Xer (1967) with Boomer parents I'd like to give my own observations about the Boomer generation from my personal perspective.

My parents and all of their friends jumped on every popular "bandwagon". During my lifetime I watched them go from embracing the hippie lifestyle to becoming bikers, then on to the Disco scene followed by becoming swingers, then on to being Urban Cowboys- which ultimately led to divorce for all once that became common. While all this was going on the kids were all either being raised mostly by grandparents or fending for themselves and their younger siblings. 

Our parents loved us but loved themselves more, we were abused and neglected, we were expected to be adults from a very young age- and then they have the nerve to wonder why we're so nihilistic and apathetic. 

Why should anyone have expected Boomers to treat the world in general any better than they treated their own children? It was always only about appearances and never substance. Did they build some stuff? Sure, but only so they could get credit and accolades rather than out of a true desire to better the world. 

That is MY truth and the truth of the majority of the people I grew up with.


RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - EndtheMadnessNow - 05-07-2025

(05-06-2025, 10:34 AM)FCD Wrote: What's gonna' happen when we're no longer around to blame?  Who ya' gonna' blame then?

Sincerely,
Your dad (who can still put a boot in your ass!), the true Cusper.   Smile

P.S. The dude who wrote that article is as far away from being a "Cusper" between Boomers and Gen X'ers as cats are different from ham sandwiches.  The author is clearly a solid late Millennial or early Gen Z'er.  If not, they're a liberal who don't have generational names; they've always been about blaming everyone else since the dawn of time.

Wow, some good commentary!
Nope, he is in fact a boomer. I believe he was born around 1960, possibly late 50s. I've seen him on Youtube several years back. He writes a lot and think he did this one just to see reactions and if anyone agreed with him. I dunno.

Apparently I'm not up with the times or back with times as I don't think I ever heard the term "Cusper" till now.

I get your points (I think, mostly) and I guess everyone has their own personal experience & perception based on a lot of things. My dad is the Silent Generation & mom is a boomer. Dad can still put a boot in my ass and he's a serious workaholic. Mom is an academic and hard to fool. Both lean hard to the right on politics. I never had any issues with boomers nor blamed them for anything going on today. Sure there is always that one or two I'd like to take a swing at, but that is very rare. Most of my issues are with Millennials, but not the whole generation. The culture stigma today is horrific. How did we get here?Because of the boomer gen? Nonsense.


RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - FCD - 05-07-2025

Born in '62 myself.  Well, he has sure adopted a later generation's view of the World, IMO.

Anyway, great comments.

BTW - "Cusp" (at least from the context I know it in), comes from astrology.  If you were born right on the border between two astrological signs, you are said to be on the 'cusp' of one or the other.  People who are into that like to use it to say they are the astrological sign they prefer between the two signs.  Hence, I think, his foundation for the term, "Cusper".  I think he took some editorial liberty by adding the "er" at the end of the word.  I don't know if that's where the term really originates, but that's the context I've heard it used most in.  But you probably knew this already.


RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - FCD - 05-08-2025

Here's some proof of just what I was talking about.  I can also speak from experience personally here as well.  I am no longer a blue collar trade worker, but it wasn't always that way.  In fact, I started out at the bottom of the barrel with a shovel and a jackhammer.  Worked my way up through the trades all the way to foreman and ultimately superintendent.  At the same time I went to college and got a degree and continued on from there into what I do now which is aerospace engineering.  But maybe my story is unique, but is it really?  Well, it seems it's definitely not the trend of this generation who want to complain about everything (referred to in my diatribe above).  Those people complaining about "no jobs", well, they aren't looking.  And, it's not just me saying it either.  Skilled trades all across this country are starving for workers.  These are high paying jobs too, really high.  All these people complaining about the rent being too high, and there being no jobs...why are they not filling these jobs?

Again, it's not just me saying it either.  Just look at this article by Mike Rowe...

Skilled trades jobs up, workers down

All these people complaining about anything and everything; the working aged man 16-64 not participating in the workforce has doubled from 11% to 22% in the past 60 years.  Hmmmm...what is the generation doing all of the complaining again?  Answer: People in exactly that demographic.  People aren't working not because there are no jobs; they're not working because they're too lazy to get a job!  No reasonable person can tell me with a straight face that people of working age in this country suddenly became less "able" to work, so what are all these lack of jobs they're complaining about?  And when these same people turn around and complain about housing prices being too high, well, not having a job will do that for you.

The OP opined about his quoted article "triggering" people.  I initially said it didn't, but in retrospect I don't think that was completely accurate.  It did in a way; in fact, I've thought about it quite a bit since reading it two days ago.  And then seeing the Mike Rowe article (above) made me think about it even more.  Then I remember our own situation at work...we can't find people.  I've had both professional job openings, and skilled trade job openings, lay vacant for not months, but YEARS!  We just can't find people.  It's not a pay issue, that's for damn sure (we're talking six figures just to start).  Every firm and contractor I know is begging for people.  We're having to bring them from out of state even, just to fill critical jobs.  It's frustrating.

And then to read an article like the one quoted in the OP, just one big long whine-fest about how some previous generation fucked up their world and now there's no jobs, the rent's too high, things are too expensive (ad nauseum, gack)...yeah, it pisses me off.  So, I guess I did get 'triggered', triggered by yet another example in society of people refusing to be responsible, and refusing to be accountable for not just their actions, but their entire livelihood and the livelihood of future generations.  It's sad really.  There's so many opportunities out there and people just aren't taking advantage of them.  Yet, they've always got the time to sit on the couch and bitch about all the negative things which come as a result of not getting up off the couch and doing something about it.

/rant

It's 4am; I'm going to go to work now (just like always...for the past 48 years).  Y'all have a great day!  I know I will, achin', aged, bones and all


RE: Peace, Love, and Property Damage - FCD - 05-08-2025

Ya' know, I hear many people talk about how they don't want to work as an Apprentice in a skilled trade.  It's beneath them, and it doesn't pay enough.  How do they expect to learn the trade unless they work as a 'trainee' first?  Everyone has to pay their dues, and it's not just about some work ethic dues or initiation rites; it's about safety and proficiency.  An untrained tradesman is a liability, not just to themselves, but to everyone around them, and to the organization they work for.  Yet, apprenticeship is one of the main reasons why people don't go into skilled trades.  Even though the pay is often high five figures even starting out as a journeyman, they're just not interested.  To me, this translates into not willing to put in the time to develop a skill which will pay off in the end.

I know many tradespersons who make more bank in the trades than I do.  It just doesn't make any sense to me.  And, it's not about unions either.  No matter what trade a person goes into, there is always a learning curve.  An employer is not going to invest top dollar in an employee who isn't going to be around for a week or two.  They want to make sure the person is serious about...a "job".

I don't see that level of motivation today.  I don't see people willing to work for something.  What I do see is people who just expect to make top dollar on day #1.  That's not realistic.  Now, many people often disagree, but then we get into what their definitions are for differences in pay.  Most of these guys see some trades worker making $70 bucks an hour, so their idea of apprenticeship is to be making $69.50 per hour, and they'll proudly state (as the unemployed)..."that's as absolutely low as I'm willing to go, and I'm still getting ripped off!"  It doesn't work like that.  It's the wrong mindset.

People aren't working because they don't want to work.  It's really as simple as that.  As such, they have exactly zero room to bitch about anything related to jobs, expenses, or the cost of living.

My .02