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$540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - 727Sky - 04-22-2025 Quote:https://lists.theepochtimes.com/links/lAkTr00MqT/QWQ6SQAB5/6OyMsHoBYUw/H4ZGaazNAF RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Michigan Swamp Buck - 04-22-2025 GOLD! Er, White Gold? Oh, lithium. ![]() I bet they drain it, then mine lithium, and have road salt as a byproduct for folks with snow and ice in the winter. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - F2d5thCav - 04-22-2025 The Salton Sea. Was once a thriving resort IIRC. Now a lithium source. Interesting. ![]() RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Michigan Swamp Buck - 04-23-2025 (04-22-2025, 06:43 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: The Salton Sea. Was once a thriving resort IIRC. Now a lithium source. Interesting. I remember an old National Geographic from when I was a kid that featured the Salton Sea. I found it interesting and creepy, like one of those nuclear bomb test sites in the Nevada desert, the ones with furnished buildings and mannequins. I felt sad, even then, that water mismanagement created a dead zone. Now, it seems to be a fitting memorial to the excess of the post-war era (50s and 60s). Even worse is that nobody seems to understand the lesson nature gave us. I don't understand why people can't see it, the abandoned amusement park is a huge lesson on the excess of our lifestyle and the pursuit of pleasures. It's also a liminal space that foreshadows doom, an obvious sign IMO. ETA: A post-war playground becomes a dead salt lake and then an open-pit lithium mine. A boom and bust progression reduced down to the remaining resources, very similar to the lumber baron era when they cut down the virgin forests here in Michigan. Capitalism at its best, always making lemonade and more money. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - ANNEE - 04-23-2025 The Salton Sea is a dump. Someone needs to do something. It's an accidental lake -- with no fresh water -- no outlet -- salty soil -- absorbing pesticides and other farm chemical runoff. And it stinks. If Musk was really smart this is where he should have invested. Area probably also perfect for launching rockets. He probably could have purchased the entire city -- then built it up in his vision. California regulations are a pain -- but even they know something needs to be done. It's pretty to drive past -- but keep the windows rolled up (OK, that's an exaggeration -- but the waters are receding leaving dying fish, etc on the shore). RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Ninurta - 04-23-2025 No doubt China will buy the area out, mine all the lithium, use what they can and sell off the surplus to the highest bidder to prop up their economy, and then turn it into an agricultural area so they can raise soybeans and hogs. . RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - ANNEE - 04-24-2025 (04-23-2025, 07:28 PM)Ninurta Wrote: No doubt China will buy the area out, mine all the lithium, use what they can and sell off the surplus to the highest bidder to prop up their economy, and then turn it into an agricultural area so they can raise soybeans and hogs.Hmmmm, possibilities. Just keep Trump away from the water rights. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - EndtheMadnessNow - 04-24-2025 White Gold stories from 2022: The coming "white gold" rush under the Salton Sea to fuel the Biden battery revolution. Gov Newsom calls it the "Saudi Arabia of lithium" and developers are making big plans to extract it. But will locals get left behind? Quote:Lithium is obtained from brine. The Salton Sea could produce the world's greenest lithium, if new extraction technologies work Quote:White Gold or Fools Gold Our friends down under apparently have plenty. Largest lithium mines in the world. At #1 is the Greenbushes Lithium Operations, is a surface mine situated in Western Australia. Owned by Albemarle, the brownfield mine produced an estimated 0.21 mtpa (million metric tons per year) of lithium in 2023. The mine will operate until 2039. The world’s ten largest lithium mines ![]() Global Lithium Deposit Map RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Ninurta - 04-24-2025 (04-24-2025, 01:44 AM)ANNEE Wrote:(04-23-2025, 07:28 PM)Ninurta Wrote: No doubt China will buy the area out, mine all the lithium, use what they can and sell off the surplus to the highest bidder to prop up their economy, and then turn it into an agricultural area so they can raise soybeans and hogs.Hmmmm, possibilities. Just keep Trump away from the water rights. Sorry, he's an unstoppable juggernaut. Most likely, Trump will buy up all the water rights so that he can put the squeeze on Chinese farming of the area after all the minerals are unearthed from it. Ya gotta get that pound of flesh somehow, bu hook or by crook. . RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Ninurta - 04-24-2025 (04-24-2025, 04:08 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: White Gold stories from 2022: The answer is yes, the locals WILL get left behind. Speaking as a long-time inhabitant of mining country, outsiders (we calls 'em "furriners", on account of wherever they're from, they ain't from around here) come in, make a lot of grandiose promises, work us to death, and then when the mine goes dry, kick us to the curb like so much trash. Matter of fact, I think that is really where the term "white trash" comes from. We've already riidden that ride here, whether we were tall enough to ride it or not. The squeeze comes from all directions. The company owners bring in goons to keep you in line. Every now and then, you've got to shoot a goon and make him vanish, 'cause if you don't, he'll damned sure get you. I've lost a few friends because the goons shot faster, so you learn to shoot fast, and never, EVER, answer a knock at the door unarmed. A guy I grew up with was buried without his head because the guy on the other side of the door had a shotgun. No one was ever arrested for it - no one knows if it was a Company goon or a Union goon that did him in. The constabulary really didn't look into it all that hard, since they are working for the government to begin with, so they don't care all that much so long as they can snatch a tax from you or your estate. The government takes all the pay the company leaves you in taxes. The miners themselves unionize just so they can terrorize the entire countryside every 3 years when the contract is up for renewal. There ain't nowhere to run, and nowhere to hide once they start mining your area. Only thing you can do is learn to fight like a mother, and never back down 'cause backing down is the best way I know of to get shot in the back. I wouldn't wish a mining life on anyone, not even a California Liberal. They never learn, and still believe the Union has got their backs. Suckers! The only thing mining bequeaths on a place is poverty left in the vacuum after the empty promises suck all the air out of the room... and a lot of empty holes in the ground like so much Swiss cheese. Don't get me wrong - those holes in the ground are a dandy place to stash the bodies, but they get put there though a bunch of lies, chicanery, and cheating from all sides. That's all that mining gives you. That's why I take pot-shots at anyone approaching my patch wearing a suit. They're probably coming to try to hoodwink me out of my minerals for a song and a dance, and they can't have 'em. I'm keeping my minerals. I've already seen what happens when you let just ONE of those sumbitches cross the cattle guard. A whole herd of the bastards stampedes ya after that one gets through, and like locusts they only leave you with a lot less than you had to begin with. The Unions snatch the last dollar out of your hand too, on their way out the door to fleece their next victims. Nope, the locals ain't gonna get rich. That's for the Big Wheels in New York, Company and Union alike, to do, and they can't get rich if they give that money to YOU, or even let you keep a little bit of it, now can they? The Companies, the Unions, and LBJ with his bullshit "War on Poverty" can ALL kiss my rosy red ass until their lips get chapped. They all promise you the sun, the moon, and the stars to get your stuff, but then just hand you a bag of shit in payment... then they take the bag back, and just leave you with a pile of shit. . RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Michigan Swamp Buck - 04-24-2025 Reply to: End the Madness Extraction through drilling, and so deeply. Reminds me of ocean oil drilling or sea mining. I had imagined draining it and making a pit mine, then filling it up again with fresh water. It must be pretty deep to drill wells. This would be the method I would use here to extract the placer gold near the bedrock 150' below on my property. The fine local sand should be easy to drill down to that depth. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - ANNEE - 04-25-2025 (04-24-2025, 02:31 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Reply to: End the Madness Being raised in Southern California ya know about earthquakes and water conservation. I kinda don't think filling it with fresh water is gonna work. The [b]Salton Sea[/b] is a body of water in California, USA, that covers an area of 320 square miles and holds nearly two trillion gallons of water. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Michigan Swamp Buck - 04-29-2025 (04-25-2025, 04:09 PM)ANNEE Wrote:(04-24-2025, 02:31 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Reply to: End the Madness Well, I was mistaken about the size and depth of the Salton, obviously. I had figured that open-pit mines where the cheapest method and went with that idea without further investigation. I'm sure whatever methods are employed they are spending the least they can get away with. There must be enough lithium there to make it commercially viable to bring up somehow, possibly by dredging. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - FCD - 05-06-2025 Knowing a thing or two about drilling (worked in the oil patch for several years in between college) I think y'all may be missing a key point, a point they just gloss over in the article...water. Just exactly how much water are we talking about here? Drilling takes massive amounts of water. Not just a "lot", no, massive amounts. Water also happens to be one of the biggest byproducts of drilling, so the problem solves itself...in most places. California isn't in one of those "most places" category. Hydraulic fracturing ('fracking' as most people know it) takes even more water, lots more...like multiples more (and sometimes even orders of magnitude more). It's not uncommon for a single well to require (2) 16" water lines at 100 psi to feed the drilling process, and we're not even to the fracturing process yet; this requires even more, and at significantly higher pressures (like thousands of psi). Yes, saltwater can be used for some of this, but Salton lake is about 85 miles at it's closest point to the ocean. Yes, pipelines could be built to bring this water from the ocean, but you'd be looking at a massive infrastructure project to build pipelines from just north of San Diego over to Salton Lake, half of which runs through the Anza-Borrego Desert State Park. Water obtained from the wells likely cannot be used because as they note in the article it's more of a mud or slurry. Yes, the drilling process also requires a type of mud, but it's a different kind of mud, not that kind of mud. It's a special kind of mud of water mixed with bentonite clay. So, the water from the well would have to be clarified first before it could be re injected back into the wells. Then there's all the aquifer and subsidence issues (which the CA enviro-maniacs will have an aneurysm over...and they don't care if it's for the 'greater good'). I think the water challenges with this project are likely being under-represented. The Environmental Impact Statement(s) alone will likely take decades to complete...with Kalifornia trying to throw a monkey wrench into every step along the way. I'm not trying to rain on this parade here; I think it's awesome they've found something which will reduce our dependence on China. However, in the same breath, I am just trying to frame the scale of an operation like this in the proper light. RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - Michigan Swamp Buck - 05-06-2025 It sounds like it is too deep just to drag a bucket along the bottom in a dredging operation, and probably too wet to dig hard rock mining tunnels beneath. Like I said, drain it, then dig an open pit mine. Recover the water with a solar still, and sell the salt for road ice melt up north, maybe to Canada, aye? RE: $540 Billion in 'White Gold' Found Beneath California's Salton Sea - ANNEE - 05-06-2025 (05-06-2025, 06:22 AM)FCD Wrote: I'm not trying to rain on this parade here; I think it's awesome they've found something which will reduce our dependence on China. However, in the same breath, I am just trying to frame the scale of an operation like this in the proper light. "They've" been trying for years to come up with any answer to this environmental disaster. I think "they" even put in a type of wave machine to try to clean up the water. Currently the water is receding -- leaving dead fish and other garbage on the shoreline. Like I said - it's pretty to look at (from a distance) but keep your windows rolled up. There are still people living there. Some have water front property. Problem is the surrounding desert is farmland -- mostly growing vegetables for winter consumption. Water is already an issue for Southern CA. |