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Imagine human bodies grown without brains - EndtheMadnessNow - 04-03-2025

Imagine human bodies grown without brains, without consciousness.

These are "bodyoids."

And today in MIT Technology Review, researchers from Stanford University are ready to talk about them.

What is a bodyoid?

It is a "proposal" for human bodies, made from stem cells, and grown in artificial wombs, "that lack sentience or the ability to feel pain."

Bodies to take organs from, or do research on.

Do human bodyoids exist? Not yet. But we may one day have the technology to make them. Pluripotent stem cells can mimic early embryo development. Artificial wombs are advancing. Gene editing can block brain growth. Science is coalescing around a technology set to make brainless bodies.

The bodyoids argument is put forward in MIT Technology Review by Stanford stem-cell specialist Hiromitsu Nakauchi, his trainee Carsten Charlesworth, and noted legal scholar and bioethicist Hank Greely.

I always thought this was a subject of science fiction. Yet here are real scientists proposing it.

On the ethics of bodyoids, the authors write:

"Thus far, we have held to a standard that requires us to treat all humans born alive as people, entitled to life and respect. Would bodyoids—created without pregnancy, parental hopes, or indeed parents—blur that line?"


Here's another ethical wrinkle.

A bodyoid, if made from stem cells, is a clone. A clone of the cell donor.

A youthful, brainless, copy of someone.

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I’ve seen this movie, about four different versions of it.

Here's the full article:

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Quote:Why do we hear about medical breakthroughs in mice, but rarely see them translate into cures for human disease? Why do so few drugs that enter clinical trials receive regulatory approval? And why is the waiting list for organ transplantation so long? These challenges stem in large part from a common root cause: a severe shortage of ethically sourced human bodies.

It may be disturbing to characterize human bodies in such commodifying terms, but the unavoidable reality is that human biological materials are an essential commodity in medicine, and persistent shortages of these materials create a major bottleneck to progress.

This imbalance between supply and demand is the underlying cause of the organ shortage crisis, with more than 100,000 patients currently waiting for a solid organ transplant in the US alone. It also forces us to rely heavily on animals in medical research, a practice that can’t replicate major aspects of human physiology and makes it necessary to inflict harm on sentient creatures. In addition, the safety and efficacy of any experimental drug must still be confirmed in clinical trials on living human bodies. These costly trials risk harm to patients, can take a decade or longer to complete, and make it through to approval less than 15% of the time.

There might be a way to get out of this moral and scientific deadlock. Recent advances in biotechnology now provide a pathway to producing living human bodies without the neural components that allow us to think, be aware, or feel pain. Many will find this possibility disturbing, but if researchers and policymakers can find a way to pull these technologies together, we may one day be able to create “spare” bodies, both human and nonhuman.

These could revolutionize medical research and drug development, greatly reducing the need for animal testing, rescuing many people from organ transplant lists, and allowing us to produce more effective drugs and treatments. All without crossing most people’s ethical lines.


Bringing technologies together

Although it may seem like science fiction, recent technological progress has pushed this concept into the realm of plausibility. Pluripotent stem cells, one of the earliest cell types to form during development, can give rise to every type of cell in the adult body. Recently, researchers have used these stem cells to create structures that seem to mimic the early development of actual human embryos. At the same time, artificial uterus technology is rapidly advancing, and other pathways may be opening to allow for the development of fetuses outside of the body.

Such technologies, together with established genetic techniques to inhibit brain development, make it possible to envision the creation of “bodyoids”—a potentially unlimited source of human bodies, developed entirely outside of a human body from stem cells, that lack sentience or the ability to feel pain.

There are still many technical roadblocks to achieving this vision, but we have reason to expect that bodyoids could radically transform biomedical research by addressing critical limitations in the current models of research, drug development, and medicine. Among many other benefits, they would offer an almost unlimited source of organs, tissues, and cells for use in transplantation.

It could even be possible to generate organs directly from a patient’s own cells, essentially cloning someone’s biological material to ensure that transplanted tissues are a perfect immunological match and thus eliminating the need for lifelong immunosuppression. Bodyoids developed from a patient’s cells could also allow for personalized screening of drugs, allowing physicians to directly assess the effect of different interventions in a biological model that accurately reflects a patient’s own personal genetics and physiology. We can even envision using animal bodyoids in agriculture, as a substitute for the use of sentient animal species.

Of course, exciting possibilities are not certainties. We do not know whether the embryo models recently created from stem cells could give rise to living people or, thus far, even to living mice. We do not know when, or whether, an effective technique will be found for successfully gestating human bodies entirely outside a person. We cannot be sure whether such bodyoids can survive without ever having developed brains or the parts of brains associated with consciousness, or whether they would still serve as accurate models for living people without those brain functions.

Even if it all works, it may not be practical or economical to “grow” bodyoids, possibly for many years, until they can be mature enough to be useful for our ends. Each of these questions will require substantial research and time. But we believe this idea is now plausible enough to justify discussing both the technical feasibility and the ethical implications.


Ethical considerations and societal implications

Bodyoids could address many ethical problems in modern medicine, offering ways to avoid unnecessary pain and suffering. For example, they could offer an ethical alternative to the way we currently use nonhuman animals for research and food, providing meat or other products with no animal suffering or awareness.

But when we come to human bodyoids, the issues become harder. Many will find the concept grotesque or appalling. And for good reason. We have an innate respect for human life in all its forms. We do not allow broad research on people who no longer have consciousness or, in some cases, never had it.

At the same time, we know much can be gained from studying the human body. We learn much from the bodies of the dead, which these days are used for teaching and research only with consent. In laboratories, we study cells and tissues that were taken, with consent, from the bodies of the dead and the living.

Recently we have even begun using for experiments the “animated cadavers” of people who have been declared legally dead, who have lost all brain function but whose other organs continue to function with mechanical assistance. Genetically modified pig kidneys have been connected to, or transplanted into, these legally dead but physiologically active cadavers to help researchers determine whether they would work in living people.

In all these cases, nothing was, legally, a living human being at the time it was used for research. Human bodyoids would also fall into that category. But there are still a number of issues worth considering. The first is consent: The cells used to make bodyoids would have to come from someone, and we’d have to make sure that this someone consented to this particular, likely controversial, use. But perhaps the deepest issue is that bodyoids might diminish the human status of real people who lack consciousness or sentience.

Thus far, we have held to a standard that requires us to treat all humans born alive as people, entitled to life and respect. Would bodyoids—created without pregnancy, parental hopes, or indeed parents—blur that line? Or would we consider a bodyoid a human being, entitled to the same respect? If so, why—just because it looks like us? A sufficiently detailed mannequin can meet that test. Because it looks like us and is alive? Because it is alive and has our DNA? These are questions that will require careful thought.


A call to action

Until recently, the idea of making something like a bodyoid would have been relegated to the realms of science fiction and philosophical speculation. But now it is at least plausible—and possibly revolutionary. It is time for it to be explored.

The potential benefits—for both human patients and sentient animal species—are great. Governments, companies, and private foundations should start thinking about bodyoids as a possible path for investment. There is no need to start with humans—we can begin exploring the feasibility of this approach with rodents or other research animals.

As we proceed, the ethical and social issues are at least as important as the scientific ones. Just because something can be done does not mean it should be done. Even if it looks possible, determining whether we should make bodyoids, nonhuman or human, will require considerable thought, discussion, and debate. Some of that will be by scientists, ethicists, and others with special interest or knowledge. But ultimately, the decisions will be made by societies and governments.

The time to start those discussions is now, when a scientific pathway seems clear enough for us to avoid pure speculation but before the world is presented with a troubling surprise. The announcement of the birth of Dolly the cloned sheep back in the 1990s launched a hysterical reaction, complete with speculation about armies of cloned warrior slaves. Good decisions require more preparation.

The path toward realizing the potential of bodyoids will not be without challenges; indeed, it may never be possible to get there, or even if it is possible, the path may never be taken. Caution is warranted, but so is bold vision; the opportunity is too important to ignore.


Carsten T. Charlesworth is a postdoctoral fellow at the Institute of Stem Cell Biology and Regenerative Medicine (ISCBRM) at Stanford University.

Henry T. Greely is the Deane F. and Kate Edelman Johnson Professor of Law and director of the Center for Law and the Biosciences at Stanford University.

Hiromitsu Nakauchi is a professor of genetics and an ISCBRM faculty member at Stanford University and a distinguished university professor at the Institute of Science Tokyo.


Ethically sourced “spare” human bodies could revolutionize medicine

The authors of the bodyoid editorial do not raise the prospect of radical life-extension, but headless clones are of interest to the "immortality community."

They dream of head transplants onto younger bodies.

That viral video showing a head transplant is a fake. But it might be real someday - BrainBridge is best understood as the first public billboard for a hugely controversial scheme to defeat death.

You might be thinking, are bodyoids for real?

Well, one type already exists: synthetic human embyros, or embryoids.

These are ersatz embryos made from stem cells which mimic real embryos, but only up to a couple of weeks of age. Researchers hope to grow them further.

If embryoids could be grown for a few weeks, to the early fetal stage, these also could be used to retrieve useful cells for study, or transplant medicine.

Think of them as "bioprinters" says Renewal Bio, one company pursuing this embryotech...


Quote:This startup wants to copy you into an embryo for organ harvesting

With plans to create realistic synthetic embryos, grown in jars, Renewal Bio is on a journey to the horizon of science and ethics.

In a search for novel forms of longevity medicine, a biotech company based in Israel says it intends to create embryo-stage versions of people in order to harvest tissues for use in transplant treatments.

The company, Renewal Bio, is pursuing recent advances in stem-cell technology and artificial wombs demonstrated by Jacob Hanna, a biologist at the Weizmann Institute of Science in Rehovot. Earlier this week, Hanna showed that starting with mouse stem cells, his lab could form highly realistic-looking mouse embryos and keep them growing in a mechanical womb for several days until they developed beating hearts, flowing blood, and cranial folds.

“It’s absolutely not necessary, so why would you do it?” says Nicolas Rivron, a stem-cell scientist at the Institute of Molecular Biotechnology in Vienna. He argues that scientists should only create “the minimal embryonic structure necessary” to yield cells of interest.

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At whatever stage of development, these clonal beings can be altered using CRISPR to remove genes required for complete brain development.

There is even a gene, if disabled, which results in a body with no head. Here is the result in a mouse:

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But, can a complete human bodyoid ever be 'born'? The technology for that does not yet exist, as far as I know.

Ex-utero growth of an entire human body, from embryo to birth, is an unsolved problem.

Even if you could, where would you keep them? Would you have to feed them for 18 years?

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The whole idea seems highly impracticable aside from highly unethical and downright evil. But, of course billions will be dumped into the R&D.


RE: Imagine human bodies grown without brains - F2d5thCav - 04-03-2025

This is all disguise for their true desires: to torture other humans.

As J. Farrell pointed out, we have no idea how consciousness is generated in humans and it is only a (risky) assumption to declare it is all in the head, so if there is no head, there is no consciousness.

But since some in society are so strident in their belief to "follow the science", perhaps they should volunteer themselves to labs for testing of new methods and materials on human beings ... mmm ?

MinusculeCheers


RE: Imagine human bodies grown without brains - Michigan Swamp Buck - 04-03-2025

They should be able to grow specific organs and implant them during sex change operations as well as replace the old ticker. They will eventually get to the point where they can keep an extra body on hand, one with all your memories and personality to use as a replacement when you die. Things are fast approaching how they were on that cheesy old science fiction movie "Zardoz" with Sean Connery.




RE: Imagine human bodies grown without brains - Chiefsmom - 04-03-2025

On the Science side:
I can complete see how this could be a game changer so many illnesses that attack a body and its parts.  Always having a spare?  Even clean blood and tissue.
So many possibilities.

On the Moral, Ethical and Spiritual side:
We currently cannot trust the government, nor most scientists.
So many bad things could be done with technology.  Elites "living" forever.  
I would have to say no thank you to this.  It really freaks me out just thinking about it.


RE: Imagine human bodies grown without brains - HaarFager - 04-03-2025

Isn't this old news?  There have been Democrats for a long time.