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China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - EndtheMadnessNow - 02-04-2025
This guy gives a good breakdown of DeepSeek, Silicon Valley's panic, and what all the hyper hysteria is about. You may find him a little biased in his reporting style but he makes several interesting points.
Chinese AI company DeepSeek shocked the West with a groundbreaking open-source artificial intelligence model that beats huge Silicon Valley Big Tech monopolies. The US government is already trying to ban it, like TikTok, using "national security" as an excuse. Ben Norton explains.
0:00 China's Sputnik moment
1:05 DeepSeek beats US Big Tech
2:20 Open source R1 model
3:18 US tech stocks crash
5:27 US stock market bubble
6:55 Magnificent 7
8:26 Billionaire oligarchs
10:48 USA bans Chinese competitors
13:34 Data privacy and spying?
15:35 Cyber attacks
16:33 US tech war on China
19:36 China "can't innovate"
22:02 China's rapid tech progress
24:49 Tech race in new cold war
Here's a little more down to Earth 10 minute overview, Deepseek R1 Explained by a Retired Microsoft Engineer:
RE: China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - Michigan Swamp Buck - 02-06-2025
Quote:Massive DeepSeek data leak exposes sensitive info for over 1 million users
DeepSeek's troubles continue to persist as the discredited AI app suffered a mass data leak, exposing the sensitive records of over one million users.
Researchers accessed a publicly accessible database belonging to DeepSeek which allowed full control over database operations – including the ability to access internal data.
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Quote:The exposed database raises several critical concerns, including:
- Data misuse: Leaked information could be exploited for cyberattacks or phishing attempts.
- AI training data vulnerabilities: If proprietary AI models and datasets were exposed, they could be manipulated by malicious actors, leading to compromised outputs or intellectual property theft.
- Corporate espionage: Competitors may gain access to sensitive algorithms or operational details.
LINK
Below is the source who discovered the leak.
Source Link
RE: China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - Ninurta - 02-07-2025
Clearly, I don't understand enough about AI, other than the fact that as AI, it's a potential threat to all of humanity, transcending mere National security.
Why is the government and tech getting their panties in a wad over this? If it's open source, why don't they just download the code and spin it up to meet their own goals? That's kinda the whole deal with open source - you take the original code, with everything it can do, and then fork off a branch of your own and provide your own functionality on top of the original functionality.
I don't see the reason for their panic.
Other than the fact that it is AI, period.
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RE: China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - Michigan Swamp Buck - 02-07-2025
Ninurta,
I had the same thoughts on open source, plus, this data breach from its use makes it sound shoddy.
Perhaps this has merely shown how inflated the market value of AI has become when an unsecured open-source program can toss a monkey wrench into the works.
Actually, this makes me reconsider the idea of using my own AI network. I wouldn't mind trying an open-source AI app at home, one that would have my personal interests in its artificial mind.
RE: China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - Ninurta - 02-07-2025
(02-07-2025, 01:52 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Ninurta,
I had the same thoughts on open source, plus, this data breach from its use makes it sound shoddy.
Perhaps this has merely shown how inflated the market value of AI has become when an unsecured open-source program can toss a monkey wrench into the works.
Actually, this makes me reconsider the idea of using my own AI network. I wouldn't mind trying an open-source AI app at home, one that would have my personal interests in its artificial mind.
The AI itself and the data breach should probably be considered as two separate cases. The AI would live in code on the website, but the stolen information would probably live in an unsecured or too lightly secured database separate from the AI to track logins when folks create accounts.
There's also the possibility that it was a honeypot meant to draw folks in with a particular interest in AI in order to mine their information for whatever reason as a targeted audience, and so the login info database was purposely insecure.
But in any event, the AI code is likely discrete from the login database that was stolen. As you probably already know, open source code is often published so that folks can specifically peruse the code for weaknesses, and it's unlikely that they would purposely post weakened code in the clear if they were trying to storm the market.
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RE: China's DeepSeek Scrappy Little AI - 727Sky - 02-09-2025
If it is CCP/mainland Chinese stuff, stay to heck away from anything they claim to manufacture or invent; as most everything is stolen with back doors cut for CCP surveillance, access, and control.