+- Rogue-Nation Discussion Board (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb)
+-- Forum: History and Old Mystery (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=109)
+--- Forum: World History (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=111)
+--- Thread: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche (/showthread.php?tid=2494)
Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - 727Sky - 12-06-2024
Skip to 5:00 to miss the advertisement
Quote:Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche For decades, a piece of his skull sat in a Russian archive - our most decisive proof that the most evil man of the 20th century died in 1945. When scientists finally tested the bone in 2009, they discovered it belonged to a woman under 40. The evidence we trusted for over 60 years was fake. Stalin insisted the dictator escaped to Argentina. The FBI conducted their longest manhunt ever looking for him. Recently, researchers found a military submarine deliberately hidden off Argentina's coast. When asked to investigate, authorities said no. They're still saying no. The truth remains buried in sealed files across three continents. But the bigger question isn't whether he escaped - it's who helped him. Because if history's greatest monster survived, he didn't do it alone. He was protected by a network that reached from Berlin to the Vatican to Argentina -- to Washington D.C.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - 727Sky - 12-07-2024
One of the better Why Files IMO
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - Michigan Swamp Buck - 12-07-2024
They seemed a bit concerned about getting canceled for that one.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - F2d5thCav - 12-07-2024
The bit I find hard to swallow about the "Hitler survival" speculation is the personality of the man himself.
He would NOT have been content to sit quietly for decades in an out-of-the-way corner of the world.
The truth may be buried in Soviet archives. Or not.
Cheers--
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - Michigan Swamp Buck - 12-07-2024
(12-07-2024, 12:42 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: The bit I find hard to swallow about the "Hitler survival" speculation is the personality of the man himself.
He would NOT have been content to sit quietly for decades in an out-of-the-way corner of the world.
The truth may be buried in Soviet archives. Or not.
Cheers--
Good point, esp. when considering how elaborate the plans were concerning the infrastructure of their New World colonies and the political power structure. Even if Hitler himself faded away into the background noise, the Fourth Reich would find another leader like him.
I've watched other programs on this subject and the evidence is compelling, everything Why Files covered and more. It seems to me that Hitler staged his own suicide and escaped to Argentina, a story that has been circulating since WWII ended. Another thing to consider, with all the Nazis that did get pardoned, why even worry about what really happened to Hitler?
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - F2d5thCav - 12-08-2024
Hitler was a figure of special significance. Not just because he was the boss, but because everyone in the party and the military forces had sworn an oath of personal loyalty to him. They didn't swear an oath of loyalty to Germany, or the Reich, or the Party ... but only to Adolf.
When it was believed he had died, armed resistance in the Reich disappeared almost immediately. The oath was no longer binding and the spell had been broken.
But then, a few days before, the U.S. Army had captured the Spear of Destiny when Nuremberg fell. Legend has it that when the holder of the Spear will suffer disaster if he loses possession of it ...
Cheers--
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - Michigan Swamp Buck - 12-08-2024
Quote:But then, a few days before, the U.S. Army had captured the Spear of Destiny when Nuremberg fell. Legend has it that when the holder of the Spear will suffer disaster if he loses possession of it ...
From Wikipedia . . .
Quote:In the modern era, at least four major relics are claimed to be the Holy Lance or parts of it. They are located in Rome, Vienna, Vagharshapat and Antioch. The most prominent Holy Lance relic has been the one in Vienna, adorned with a distinctive gold cuff. This version of the lance is on public display with the rest of the Imperial Regalia at the Hofburg.
So the States captured the flag and let it go then? Or was it just the Nazis that suffered after they lost it?
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - 727Sky - 03-26-2025
The President of Argentina has released files saying Hitler did indeed live in Argentina and died sometime in the 1960s. He had two daughters while there. Skip to the 17:25 time stamp to start the story. I think most everyone knows by now the Skull that was reported to be Hitler's was actually a female maybe in her 40s.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - MrJesterium - 03-26-2025
(12-07-2024, 12:42 PM)F2d5thCav Wrote: The bit I find hard to swallow about the "Hitler survival" speculation is the personality of the man himself.Exactly. Sebastian Haffner said Hitler was the "suicide par excellence", that he exhibited suicidal tendencies in his early career. Rudolf Hess addressed these same points when he was interviewed in Spandau prison.
He would NOT have been content to sit quietly for decades in an out-of-the-way corner of the world.
The truth may be buried in Soviet archives. Or not.
Cheers--
From The Loneliest Man in the World, p.g. 62-63:
"If he had continued to live, this would not have benefited the nation, for he would have shared the fate of those who died in the Nuremberg drama. He would thus not have been able to take part in the revival of the National Socialist Reich if he had tried to save himself for this purpose." Hitler raised his concerns about being captured by the enemy/paraded around. Hess added that Hitler could have been induced to condemn Germany under severe mental strain/exhaustion. (For instance, George Weidenfeld interviewed Albert Speer, when he noticed his exhaustion, he seized on the opportunity to ask him about Himmler, Speer let slip his admiration for Himmler. "At one and the same time Speer revealed himself as the technocrat and the civilized European.")
As I no longer have the book in my possession, I'm going off of memory: "There were stories that he escaped to South America but they were not true. He would never have run away. So far as I am concerned he definitely committed suicide. I haven't the slightest doubt in my mind. It would have been entirely against his nature..."
Hitler's pilot Hans Baur said he had offered to help Hitler get away to Argentine, Japan, any friendly nation which sympathized with his hatred of the Jews, but Hitler declined. On the other hand, Hitler was against sacrificing his soldiers, he repeatedly turning down Hanna Reitsch's proposal for German kamikaze pilots. His reason: it was not German.
___
Seen from a karmic angle, Philippe Nizier claimed many suicides were fatal punishment of mass-murderers, who were given the chance to expiate their crimes. According to Daniil Andreev, such people are sent into a place of purgatory called Fukabirn. Andreev claims there is a possible future where Hitler returns as a rebel leader. German clairvoyants warn about how this new emerging movement would cause more catastrophes than the Antichrist's reign. (Feldpostbriefe, Franz Kugelbeer)
Noteworthy dream: https://old.reddit.com/r/Dreams/comments/gxsfvs/my_journey_with_hitler_in_my_dreams/
The only thing about Hitler's escape theory which deserves consideration is the claim about Hitler having a few daughters. Apparently, Hitler really did have at least 1 daughter, perhaps 2-3 daughters. He insisted he did not want a son, but afaik he never said anything about daughters. Finding his heir was one of his biggest concerns, he personally hoped to appoint Hans-Ulrich Rudel, but the latter evaded him.
However, the truth about whether Hitler sired additional children is not for someone like Donald Trump to reveal to the world.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - Michigan Swamp Buck - 03-26-2025
If Hitler really did escape, have two daughters, and survive until around 1960, his two daughters would be quite a lot older than me. But the thought had occurred, what if I had dated one or both of Hitler's daughters? And/Or what if one or both of his daughters followed in his footsteps? I see a couple of really good fictional book ideas based on the possibility that he had two daughters. Also, I could see an Andy Warhol-style movie production based on the books.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - F2d5thCav - 03-27-2025
(03-26-2025, 10:56 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: If Hitler really did escape, have two daughters, and survive until around 1960, his two daughters would be quite a lot older than me. But the thought had occurred, what if I had dated one or both of Hitler's daughters? And/Or what if one or both of his daughters followed in his footsteps? I see a couple of really good fictional book ideas based on the possibility that he had two daughters. Also, I could see an Andy Warhol-style movie production based on the books.
Can't resist the temptation to bring up Merkel here.
RE: Operation Eagle Flight: The Escape from Berlin to Bariloche - MrJesterium - 03-27-2025
(03-26-2025, 10:56 AM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: If Hitler really did escape, have two daughters, and survive until around 1960, his two daughters would be quite a lot older than me. But the thought had occurred, what if I had dated one or both of Hitler's daughters? And/Or what if one or both of his daughters followed in his footsteps? I see a couple of really good fictional book ideas based on the possibility that he had two daughters. Also, I could see an Andy Warhol-style movie production based on the books.
Not sure if you're replying to me, but I was arguing that he did NOT escape/survive. Then I granted that he could've had a few daughters. As a result of several early affairs with women (why should we assume he would be content with only Jean-Loret's mother?), before he entered into politics. Leni Riefenstahl noted that Hitler had briefly laid eyes on her before turning his gaze away during one of their walks.
The real question should be:
Did the hypothetical mother(s) keep from the hypothetical daughter(s), about what recently transpired in Germany, about
their possible ancestry, until she was older, so that she could live a normal life free of worry/shame. Case in point:
The parents of Beria's son did not tell him about what was really going on in the Soviet Union until he was older: "For a long period he spoke to me in allusions. Perhaps he considered that I was too young, or he was afraid of turning me into a cynic." "She was afraid, too, lest I become a cynic, and protected me from the world so far as she could."
However, if there's a chance they ended up like Himmler's daughter, who embraced nazism, that would be reason for concern. When Rochus Misch's daughter heard from her mother that she may be Jewish (which Misch would angrily deny), I believe it was said that she started contributing heavily to the Jewish community, possibly out of guilt and solidarity. At the least, learning about one's ancestry makes one curious enough to conduct investigation.
So based on historical parallels, I think it's worth keeping an open mind about the daughters.