(04-24-2024, 06:34 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: I have been warning people for almost a decade now that this was coming. Warning after warning for people to get ready.

No on listens. No one cares.

Until they lose everything. 

And they will.

Everything people have worked their whole lives for will be gone in an instant. 

Then they'll care...


I say, make sure you have oil for your lamp.

From what I see, within the next two years it will all fall. The dollar will go bye bye. All we have to do is what what's happening with the banks and now the gold.

I have been planning.   There's no way I'm getting caught in their trap. 

And yes, Im even willing and ready to go live in some caves somewhere. If I knew how to sail I'd hit that ocean and never look back.

(04-24-2024, 05:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

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How do we get ready?

(04-25-2024, 03:45 PM)Infolurker Wrote: ...

Those are the primary precious metals I invest in. Sure, I have a few hundred ounces of silver but we have seen the .gov ban & confiscate Gold before and they will do so again if that is needed.

Quote:Same with food. What do you use money for? To buy necessities. 

If you already have most of your necessities stockpiled in your physical possession, money value has less importance.

Quote:Buy the land, buy the food, buy the copper jacketed lead, buy the solar & batteries and you will be more prepared for just about anything.

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(04-25-2024, 04:48 PM)Michigan Swamp Buck Wrote: Knowledge and experience is key to survival.

I believe that people should be taught basic survival skills first, before academic and other concerns. I'm not talking about Boy Scouts, although that is a great program, I'm talking about "primitive" skills used by stone-aged tribes. If you had the skills and knowledge they had, you could survive the raw elements with nothing but what was available around you. If you need something, you make it or take it from the environment around you.

(04-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(04-24-2024, 05:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

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How do we get ready?

By firmly grasping the fact, and it IS a fact, that the entire "economy" is one huge con game.

They "take" your money and your "stuff" by conning you. Convincing you that you can get something for nothing, or very little. Then they take the money you give them thinking that you are going to get a huge increase on it, and they abscond with it... failing to deliver whatever miracle it is that they've promised you. They take the money and run, just like any other con man. That leaves you holding the bag... and broke.

Whenever one of these crashes comes, it only affects the people who bought into the con, whatever con they are selling. in 2008, I believe it was the housing market. They conned millions of people to buy more house than they could afford. They "over-leveraged" those folks, got them to go into debt in hopes of getting even more, and even the little they had was taken away.

Same for the "tech bubble", and even the crash of 1929. No one can lose everything if they don't bet everything on a maybe. They don't lose what they haven't bet on the con.

All good con games prey on people's greed. They promise folks something for nothing, their greed kicks in, they put everything they have into the kitty under the assurance that they are going to magically get something they didn't really pay enough for, then POOF! It's all gone. the money AND the promise of riches. The victim is then left sitting flat on their asses and broke, wondering what hit them, and seldom if ever realizing that they werre done in by a con man preying on their own greed.

Anyone with a mortgage, or a "second mortgage", or any of the other devices that con men use to part them from their money WILL lose what they gave to the con men. If they own their property free and clear, then they're relatively safe. They have a patch to grow their grub on if push comes to shove that the banks can't take away from them if they miss a payment due to an economic crash. If, on the other hand, their land, home, or security rest on a mortgage, then they'd better be figuring out a way to survive before the con crash comes.

Anything you owe money for - car, house, land, etc. - can and will be taken from you when a crash comes. They will keep what you've paid in to it, take the property, and then sell it to the next mark they can line up and do it all over again to the next guy... leaving you with nothing, not the money you already paid them, and not the property you paid it for.

That is how they get richer and you get poorer, until folks have "lost everything". They lose everything because they bet everything on the con. What they don't bet, they don't lose. Meanwhile, the con men running the con transfer the money of the marks from the marks to themselves, and then search out more marks. it's how con games have worked for centuries.

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One of the differences between now and the crash of 1929 is demographics. There is a much higher percentage of people living in cities now than there was then.. City people cannot fend for themselves in a crash. No matter what they have, no matter what they manage to hang on to, they won't have enough land to feed themselves. There are just too may people per square foot to have enough free land to grow food. Life in the cities will be bad. Very bad.

Out in the countryside, a great many farmers are over-leveraged, having to borrow money each year - betting against their crop - to be sustainable. When the economy crashes, their money becomes useless, and the banks foreclose on their collateral... usually that means the farm land. So then they have nothing to farm on, either. They cannot feed themselves even, much less produce excess to feed the cities with.

Small freeholders, folks that own their land free and clear, will still be able to feed themselves if they have the seed and stuff to plant, and the critters to raise for meat.

But all those hungry folks are going to be eyeballing the freeholders land and crops.

Things are gonna be tough all over. The bad thing about small freeholds is that the crops won't be able to run from raiders. The next best thing is to be prepared to use those raiders to fertilize the next year's crop.

Yeah, that might sound cold, but survival is a cold business some times. You do what you gotta do to make sure your kids get to eat.

Never put yourself in a position to have to be one of the raiders. You might be next year's fertilizer. Never put yourself in the position to have to be a refugee. they get it from all sides, and never win. If you don't believe me, take a trip to the Mexican border some time and have a gander at the "rape trees". That's not just a cartel thing. Wherever refugees are found, predators will also be found, preying on them. NEVER be a refugee.

Evil walks this world. You don't have to be evil, but you do sometimes have to be cold. That's not evil, it's survival.

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(04-25-2024, 11:46 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote:

(04-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(04-24-2024, 05:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

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How do we get ready?

By firmly grasping the fact, and it IS a fact, that the entire "economy" is one huge con game.

They "take" your money and your "stuff" by conning you. Convincing you that you can get something for nothing, or very little. Then they take the money you give them thinking that you are going to get a huge increase on it, and they abscond with it... failing to deliver whatever miracle it is that they've promised you. They take the money and run, just like any other con man. That leaves you holding the bag... and broke.

Whenever one of these crashes comes, it only affects the people who bought into the con, whatever con they are selling. in 2008, I believe it was the housing market. They conned millions of people to buy more house than they could afford. They "over-leveraged" those folks, got them to go into debt in hopes of getting even more, and even the little they had was taken away.

Same for the "tech bubble", and even the crash of 1929. No one can lose everything if they don't bet everything on a maybe. They don't lose what they haven't bet on the con.

All good con games prey on people's greed. They promise folks something for nothing, their greed kicks in, they put everything they have into the kitty under the assurance that they are going to magically get something they didn't really pay enough for, then POOF! It's all gone. the money AND the promise of riches. The victim is then left sitting flat on their asses and broke, wondering what hit them, and seldom if ever realizing that they werre done in by a con man preying on their own greed.

Anyone with a mortgage, or a "second mortgage", or any of the other devices that con men use to part them from their money WILL lose what they gave to the con men. If they own their property free and clear, then they're relatively safe. They have a patch to grow their grub on if push comes to shove that the banks can't take away from them if they miss a payment due to an economic crash. If, on the other hand, their land, home, or security rest on a mortgage, then they'd better be figuring out a way to survive before the con crash comes.

Anything you owe money for - car, house, land, etc. - can and will be taken from you when a crash comes. They will keep what you've paid in to it, take the property, and then sell it to the next mark they can line up and do it all over again to the next guy... leaving you with nothing, not the money you already paid them, and not the property you paid it for.

That is how they get richer and you get poorer, until folks have "lost everything". They lose everything because they bet everything on the con. What they don't bet, they don't lose. Meanwhile, the con men running the con transfer the money of the marks from the marks to themselves, and then search out more marks. it's how con games have worked for centuries.

------------------------------------

One of the differences between now and the crash of 1929 is demographics. There is a much higher percentage of people living in cities now than there was then.. City people cannot fend for themselves in a crash. No matter what they have, no matter what they manage to hang on to, they won't have enough land to feed themselves. There are just too may people per square foot to have enough free land to grow food. Life in the cities will be bad. Very bad.

Out in the countryside, a great many farmers are over-leveraged, having to borrow money each year - betting against their crop - to be sustainable. When the economy crashes, their money becomes useless, and the banks foreclose on their collateral... usually that means the farm land. So then they have nothing to farm on, either. They cannot feed themselves even, much less produce excess to feed the cities with.

Small freeholders, folks that own their land free and clear, will still be able to feed themselves if they have the seed and stuff to plant, and the critters to raise for meat.

But all those hungry folks are going to be eyeballing the freeholders land and crops.

Things are gonna be tough all over. The bad thing about small freeholds is that the crops won't be able to run from raiders. The next best thing is to be prepared to use those raiders to fertilize the next year's crop.

Yeah, that might sound cold, but survival is a cold business some times. You do what you gotta do to make sure your kids get to eat.

Never put yourself in a position to have to be one of the raiders. You might be next year's fertilizer. Never put yourself in the position to have to be a refugee. they get it from all sides, and never win. If you don't believe me, take a trip to the Mexican border some time and have a gander at the "rape trees". That's not just a cartel thing. Wherever refugees are found, predators will also be found, preying on them. NEVER be a refugee.

Evil walks this world. You don't have to be evil, but you do sometimes have to be cold. That's not evil, it's survival.

.

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Exactly! I'm so glad everything (and I do mean everything) I have is paid for. And I have two acres of uncleared land, and an acre of cleared land. I've got hundreds of trees and all matter of resources on the property. 
And I don't gamble. Ever.


I'm honing and practicing and continuing to learn those primitive survival skills mentioned in the thread. That's the wisest thing we can do. 

I minimized and learned to be ready to walk away from everything if I have to. If things got real bad, and a bomb dropped on all my stuff, I am mentally and physically prepared to walk away from it all, and go my own way. 
As well as the basic survival skills, not being attached to "stuff" is a wise discipline to learn. 
I learned a long time ago how to be happy with very little. 
That's the worst case scenario. But, I am ready. There are too many signs that we are about to fall (hard) not to start getting ready now.

(04-26-2024, 01:56 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(04-25-2024, 11:46 PM)FlickerOfLight Wrote:

(04-25-2024, 09:00 PM)Ninurta Wrote:

(04-24-2024, 05:29 PM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

---

How do we get ready?

By firmly grasping the fact, and it IS a fact, that the entire "economy" is one huge con game.

They "take" your money and your "stuff" by conning you. Convincing you that you can get something for nothing, or very little. Then they take the money you give them thinking that you are going to get a huge increase on it, and they abscond with it... failing to deliver whatever miracle it is that they've promised you. They take the money and run, just like any other con man. That leaves you holding the bag... and broke.

Whenever one of these crashes comes, it only affects the people who bought into the con, whatever con they are selling. in 2008, I believe it was the housing market. They conned millions of people to buy more house than they could afford. They "over-leveraged" those folks, got them to go into debt in hopes of getting even more, and even the little they had was taken away.

Same for the "tech bubble", and even the crash of 1929. No one can lose everything if they don't bet everything on a maybe. They don't lose what they haven't bet on the con.

All good con games prey on people's greed. They promise folks something for nothing, their greed kicks in, they put everything they have into the kitty under the assurance that they are going to magically get something they didn't really pay enough for, then POOF! It's all gone. the money AND the promise of riches. The victim is then left sitting flat on their asses and broke, wondering what hit them, and seldom if ever realizing that they werre done in by a con man preying on their own greed.

Anyone with a mortgage, or a "second mortgage", or any of the other devices that con men use to part them from their money WILL lose what they gave to the con men. If they own their property free and clear, then they're relatively safe. They have a patch to grow their grub on if push comes to shove that the banks can't take away from them if they miss a payment due to an economic crash. If, on the other hand, their land, home, or security rest on a mortgage, then they'd better be figuring out a way to survive before the con crash comes.

Anything you owe money for - car, house, land, etc. - can and will be taken from you when a crash comes. They will keep what you've paid in to it, take the property, and then sell it to the next mark they can line up and do it all over again to the next guy... leaving you with nothing, not the money you already paid them, and not the property you paid it for.

That is how they get richer and you get poorer, until folks have "lost everything". They lose everything because they bet everything on the con. What they don't bet, they don't lose. Meanwhile, the con men running the con transfer the money of the marks from the marks to themselves, and then search out more marks. it's how con games have worked for centuries.

------------------------------------

One of the differences between now and the crash of 1929 is demographics. There is a much higher percentage of people living in cities now than there was then.. City people cannot fend for themselves in a crash. No matter what they have, no matter what they manage to hang on to, they won't have enough land to feed themselves. There are just too may people per square foot to have enough free land to grow food. Life in the cities will be bad. Very bad.

Out in the countryside, a great many farmers are over-leveraged, having to borrow money each year - betting against their crop - to be sustainable. When the economy crashes, their money becomes useless, and the banks foreclose on their collateral... usually that means the farm land. So then they have nothing to farm on, either. They cannot feed themselves even, much less produce excess to feed the cities with.

Small freeholders, folks that own their land free and clear, will still be able to feed themselves if they have the seed and stuff to plant, and the critters to raise for meat.

But all those hungry folks are going to be eyeballing the freeholders land and crops.

Things are gonna be tough all over. The bad thing about small freeholds is that the crops won't be able to run from raiders. The next best thing is to be prepared to use those raiders to fertilize the next year's crop.

Yeah, that might sound cold, but survival is a cold business some times. You do what you gotta do to make sure your kids get to eat.

Never put yourself in a position to have to be one of the raiders. You might be next year's fertilizer. Never put yourself in the position to have to be a refugee. they get it from all sides, and never win. If you don't believe me, take a trip to the Mexican border some time and have a gander at the "rape trees". That's not just a cartel thing. Wherever refugees are found, predators will also be found, preying on them. NEVER be a refugee.

Evil walks this world. You don't have to be evil, but you do sometimes have to be cold. That's not evil, it's survival.

.

.

Exactly! I'm so glad everything (and I do mean everything) I have is paid for. And I have two acres of uncleared land, and an acre of cleared land. I've got hundreds of trees and all matter of resources on the property. 
And I don't gamble. Ever.


I'm honing and practicing and continuing to learn those primitive survival skills mentioned in the thread. That's the wisest thing we can do. 

I minimized and learned to be ready to walk away from everything if I have to. If things got real bad, and a bomb dropped on all my stuff, I am mentally and physically prepared to walk away from it all, and go my own way. 
As well as the basic survival skills, not being attached to "stuff" is a wise discipline to learn. 
I learned a long time ago how to be happy with very little. 
That's the worst case scenario. But, I am ready. There are too many signs that we are about to fall (hard) not to start getting ready now.

I used to be where you are. Mid January I got goober smacked and suddenly out of work. My job was mainly for sanity retention, but I liked the security of the extra income. Because I learned the hard way to not completely depend on tenants.

Well my tenants did what it seems all tenants do, they stopped paying their rent. Their timing was perfect, because I was in no position to fight.

Little money coming in, lots of money going out, means my savings is quickly dwindling. But I decided to make some lemonade, and hopefully God will be on my side.

Another good that came out of it, is that I my  dislike of "stuff" has intensified. I am a minimalist, soon to become a Luddite.

I still have a little fight in me, but it is also dwindling. I am ready for this journey to be over.
In
I learned that folk will kick you when you are down. That the medical industry and the government don't give a damn about you, and if you have something that someone wants, they will force you to give it to them, or they will take it by hook or by crook.

I am lucky. I don't need a lot. I have an amazing family, church family, and neighbors. I am used to tough times, and living off the land and living simple.

What will be, will be.

(04-26-2024, 02:32 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: Thought to myself, damn... i shoulda been Amish or Mennonite (preferably Mennonite lol I really thought it through. I may convert soon   jk)

(04-26-2024, 02:47 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(04-26-2024, 02:32 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: Thought to myself, damn... i shoulda been Amish or Mennonite (preferably Mennonite lol I really thought it through. I may convert soon   jk)

I had a Mennonite neighbor. I considered him a good friend. A couple of years ago he took his family and  moved out of the United States.

He told me, “The time has come to get out of her.”

He still is encouraging me to leave. He said something wicked is coming, and if I want to survive it, I have to leave it all behind.

Who knows. You both may be right.

Quote:This cherished myth is a deceptive and dangerous notion that has little place in reality.  I’ve long held a stance [i]against [/i]this notion because in nearly all cases and all situations, this is a very bad idea with oftentimes fatal consequences.  Bugging out is [i]embracing [/i]the refugee lifestyle – a very bad idea.  Refugees throughout history have fared very badly, suffered extreme hardship and deprivation, with many not surviving the experience. There is a far better alternative to this.



The rejection of the “bug out” mythology flies in the face of the so-called ‘expert advice’ and theory being proposed by many websites and authors, who are also very active in selling products and gear specifically oriented around this concept. You could say quite rightly, that there is indeed a agenda at work here, but it is not one in your best interests.  Hold onto your pockets and read on.


Bugging out entails leaving everything you [i][b]are[/b][/i], and everything you [i][b]own[/b][/i], and everything you [i][b]use[/b][/i], [i]day in and day out[/i], and everything you cannot [b]carry [/b]or [b]transport [/b]with you, behind. Not only behind, but [i]inaccessible, unusable and abandoned. [/i]Potentially forever.

In effect, bugging out will mean you will be totally abandoning your present life in exchange for huddling under a tree in the woods, trying to avoid hypothermia and starvation, wondering where you next meal will come from, and how long you can hold out in your new ‘reality’.  And whatever it was that you chose to run away from — will still be there.  This is perhaps the most overlooked point of all.

How long could you hold out?  Not long.  The reasons are many, but they are sound.
The [i]need [/i]to bug out is an exceedingly tiny reality — a future event that will probably never happen. 

[b]To The Woods

[/b]

Bugging out is usually assumed to mean “to the woods” where survivors, patriots, militia, end-timers and others will be making “their last stand” (apparently together, whether they like it or not) while roasting hotdogs and marshmallows.  Instead, it will be the last man standing over a pile of rotted and half-eaten[i]corpses[/i], since the food and supplies and the notions of ‘living off the land’ will have died out with the last slaughtered deer to be found. And every ’survivor’ will have been hoping all along that nobody has turned them in for poaching.


Campsites, caves and hidey-holes will have become armed, dirty and infested encampments of hungry and desperate men (the surviving women would have long since been forced into prostitution and slavery), all fighting over the remaining scraps to be found (and newcomers showing up) necessary for their survival. Informants, traitors, thieves, murderers, rapists and thugs will quickly become the defining characteristic, with the strongest ruling (or eating) the weak.  Those who arrive “first” will potentially be better prepared to prey upon the late-comers or the weak, so if you are still planning on trying this, get your seat at the table [i]early[/i].


Think not? This is exactly what happens during civil wars and internal conflicts when a country turns against itself. The war in Bosnia saw tens of thousands of murders, rapes and thefts as the people turned on each other.  It was a fight for survival, for food, for weapons, for money, for women.


It has happened all over the world, and it will happen again. Whenever there is not enough to go around, and whenever there is strife, secrecy and conflict, those involved will resort to whatever methods of survival that they have to in order that they might live another day by whatever means possible.  It will be no picnic, no romantic “retreat into the woods” where faith, truth, righteousness or rebellion will flourish and grow. Instead, it will be a bloodbath where the young, old and the weak succumb the quickest.  

I suggest you bring lots of Tabasco sauce, as it does make the meat taste better.
Bugging out also means you are leaving the norms of society behind. These are the rules, laws, restrictions and expectations that you have come to expect (and largely appreciate) that govern human behavior. Would-be dictators and gang leaders will spring forth from unlikely sources. Since there is nothing to hinder them, then they will allow themselves to be unhindered. 

Unrestrained, you will find the true nature of what your “friends” can really be.  You’ll soon regret not locking up the mad caps among you and taking away their weapons.  If food or medical supplies are in short supply, then expect gang on gang, tribe on tribe warfare to begin.  Expect slavery, torture, imprisonment and rape.  Also expect the nearby communities (cities, towns, villages) to become their prey, as theft, robbery and murder to go hand in hand with their (daily) need for food and other things like fuel and medical supplies.


Inversely, you could also expect smart and prepared communities to expel, exterminate and hunt down these refugees if things get way out of hand, exacerbating an already bad situation. Forget for a moment the military or law enforcement going after these woodland refugees (a topic unto itself), the locals themselves will not be the helping hand that you may have naively come to expect, especially if you or your gang have already trod upon their welcome mat.  They’re trying to survive too, and live normal, unfettered lives as best they can. They don’t need nor appreciate you coming along and messing things up. Camping out in their back yard or nearby forests will often pit you against them in violent and lethal ways. And they will be far more adept then you are outlasting you because they will have the infrastructure and support network to do so.

(04-26-2024, 03:05 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote:

(04-26-2024, 02:47 AM)NightskyeB4Dawn Wrote:

(04-26-2024, 02:32 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: Thought to myself, damn... i shoulda been Amish or Mennonite (preferably Mennonite lol I really thought it through. I may convert soon   jk)

I had a Mennonite neighbor. I considered him a good friend. A couple of years ago he took his family and  moved out of the United States.

He told me, “The time has come to get out of her.”

He still is encouraging me to leave. He said something wicked is coming, and if I want to survive it, I have to leave it all behind.

Who knows. You both may be right.

I had an opportunity to live up in the Appalachian mountains recently, and there was a huge Mennonite presence there. I bought from their produce markets, and I got to know these people. 

I have more respect for them than any church I have ever been in. Hands down. Those people are of God, no doubt. God is with them, and I could even see it.

I had a bit of fun with the thought, but I felt the presence of the Lord every time I was around them.

Much love...

And yes,
Something wicked is coming. And I'm wanting off of the back of the beast, myself.

(04-27-2024, 02:50 PM)Infolurker Wrote: My question is if you or I leave the US, where do we go?

I definitely do not want to be "the other" in a foreign country and unarmed (due to most nations disarming the public).

I have a friend at work looking at Costa Rica and another looking at the Dominican Republic and those do not sound appealing currently after some investigation.

(04-26-2024, 03:05 AM)FlickerOfLight Wrote: I had an opportunity to live up in the Appalachian mountains recently, and there was a huge Mennonite presence there. I bought from their produce markets, and I got to know these people. 

I have more respect for them than any church I have ever been in. Hands down. Those people are of God, no doubt. God is with them, and I could even see it.

I had a bit of fun with the thought, but I felt the presence of the Lord every time I was around them.

Much love...

And yes,
Something wicked is coming. And I'm wanting off of the back of the beast, myself.