+- Rogue-Nation Discussion Board (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb)
+-- Forum: General and Breaking News Events (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=43)
+--- Forum: War, Peace or Inbetween (https://rogue-nation.com/mybb/forumdisplay.php?fid=46)
+--- Thread: China's diplomatic coup (/showthread.php?tid=1996)
China's diplomatic coup - DISRAELI - 04-14-2024
Originally posted on ATS October 2023
As an old student of history, I’ve got a copy, of course, of Henry Kissinger’s White House memoirs. All three volumes. I’ve learned a lot of things from the great master of modern diplomacy. One of them is the value of being a mediator between two powers in a region. If you can broker an agreement between them, they are both accepting your authority, up to a point, and you have become in effect the diplomatic boss of the area.
That’s what he was achieving for the United States in the Middle East in the years following the Yom Kippur war. In theory, disengagement was being negotiated “under the joint auspices of the United States and the Soviet Union” at a conference in Geneva. In practice, Kissinger was doing his best to keep the Soviets out of it, as Sadat shrewdly noticed (I was hoping to quote that conversation, but I can’t track it down quickly enough). The strategy of his “shuttle diplomacy” was to make the Arab nations aware that he alone could “deliver” concessions from the Israelis. If the Arabs wanted any kind of settlement, they worked through him or not at all. That is how Kissinger succeeded in making America the diplomatic “boss” of the Middle East for several decades. That policy has now broken down, certainly in the present century.
A few months back I noticed a news story to the effect that China had brokered an agreement between the long-term rivals Iran and Saudi Arabia. This should have set off alarm bells in the conspiracy theory community, but apparently it didn’t. The story has been buried in other news. I bet Henry Kissinger noticed.
I don’t often make predictions, but let me do a little predicting now. Let us suppose that, out of the blue, China comes forward with a peace initiative in the Middle East, promising that they will be able to hold back Iran and Hamas “and sitchlike” from their attacks on Israel and the West providing that Israel consents to certain restrictions. If Israel is obliged, in the end, to consent to a Peace Settlement on Chinese terms, that would be the first Chinese diplomatic coup.
If China went on to do the same thing, arranging a compromise agreement in the war between Russia and the Ukraine, that would be their second diplomatic coup. Such an agreement might call off the Russian attack dogs, while denying the Ukrainians access to the Crimea (to which, to be fair, they have no historic claim. Crimea was always the land of the Tatars).
Future historians might recognise the Peking Peace Settlements of 2024 as the moment when China became the diplomatic boss of the world.
RE: China's diplomatic coup - sailorsam - 04-15-2024
as I recall China offered to mediate between Putin and Ukraine.
I suspect the key to Kissinger's diplomacy was U$ foreign aide. 'sign this and we'll give you an additional dozen tanks'. I wonder if Beijing is subsidizing Iran?
China seems to have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies.
I don't think their neighbors like them. Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines are aligning closer to the US these days. I don't know that China has any real friends in Asia.
RE: China's diplomatic coup - SomeJackleg - 04-15-2024
(04-15-2024, 09:35 AM)sailorsam Wrote: as I recall China offered to mediate between Putin and Ukraine.
I suspect the key to Kissinger's diplomacy was U$ foreign aide. 'sign this and we'll give you an additional dozen tanks'. I wonder if Beijing is subsidizing Iran?
China seems to have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies.
I don't think their neighbors like them. Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines are aligning closer to the US these days. I don't know that China has any real friends in Asia.
ol farty, pooh xi, and iatola assahola are the new axis of evil with china behaving / pretending like their the good guys. mark my words china is gonna stab everybody in the back just as soon they think the time is right, they play the long game.
RE: China's diplomatic coup - DISRAELI - 04-15-2024
(04-15-2024, 01:21 PM)SomeJackleg Wrote:(04-15-2024, 09:35 AM)sailorsam Wrote: as I recall China offered to mediate between Putin and Ukraine.
I suspect the key to Kissinger's diplomacy was U$ foreign aide. 'sign this and we'll give you an additional dozen tanks'. I wonder if Beijing is subsidizing Iran?
China seems to have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies.
I don't think their neighbors like them. Taiwan, Japan and the Philippines are aligning closer to the US these days. I don't know that China has any real friends in Asia.
ol farty, pooh xi, and iatola assahola are the new axis of evil with china behaving / pretending like their the good guys. mark my words china is gonna stab everybody in the back just as soon they think the time is right, they play the long game.
I think China is working towards what Victorian Britain had. Control of strategic points on sea-routes. Semi-control of strategic markets and resources.