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Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old. - BodhisattvaStyle - 11-16-2023
Read more at: https://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/world/article281556838.html#storylink=cpy
The word “pyramid” immediately brings to mind the imposing triangular structures of the Egyptian desert. Despite their iconic status, these structures might not be the world’s oldest pyramids. Instead, researchers argue in a new study that this title belongs to a pyramid made of lava and buried in Indonesia. Gunung Padang is a megalithic site on a hilltop of Java island whose name means “mountain of enlightenment,” according to a study published Oct. 20 in the journal Archaeological Prospection. With its stone terraces and upright slabs, Gunung Padang was typically assumed to be an ancient cemetery or religious spot.
An interdisciplinary team of archaeologists, geophysicists and geologists decided to study Gunung Padang. They dug trenches, drilled into the mound’s center, took soil samples and scanned it with several 2D and 3D surveying tools.
Their findings revealed evidence of a buried “pyramid-like” structure with “complex, multi-layered and extensive ancient constructions,” the study said.
Gunung Padang was built in three major phases, researchers said. The first phase began when “a natural lava hill” was “meticulously sculpted” between 25000 and 14000 B.C. The site was then abandoned for millennia. Eventually, it was “deliberately buried.
Natawidjaja said that Gunung Padang’s age poses “a challenge to our current understanding of human history,” but it is not the only site to do so. He pointed to Gobekli Tepe, a settlement in modern-day Turkey that “was constructed about 11,600 years ago.”
Researchers determined Gunung Padang’s age by radiocarbon dating soil samples from the man-made layers and comparing this to the visible weathering of nearby stones, the study said.
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Once again what we think we know can all change with simply digging something out of the ground.
This "pyramid" would predate Egyptian construction of these tombs by more than 13,000 years.
If the dating is correct then these pyramids would the oldest to date, and arguably the oldest advanced civilization known up to this point.
(More on the topic)
https://allthatsinteresting.com/gunung-padang
That's monumental and shows how little we really know.
My question is, how reliable is that method of dating?
Thought this was cool and wanted to share. I wonder what they'll dig up next.
RE: Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old. - EndtheMadnessNow - 11-17-2023
Radiocarbon dating of soils has always been very tricky. I don't think the science models are very reliable, yet. I could be wrong on that as I was reading a Stanford paper on it from 2015.
Graham Hancock covered this site in his "Ancient Apocalypse" Netflix series episode 1 last year. As Graham has said, "stuff just keeps on getting older."
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Giant Pyramid Buried in Indonesia Could Be The Oldest in The World, Researchers Say
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RE: Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old. - BodhisattvaStyle - 11-17-2023
(11-17-2023, 01:54 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote: Radiocarbon dating of soils has always been very tricky. I don't think the science models are very reliable, yet. I could be wrong on that as I was reading a Stanford paper on it from 2015.
Graham Hancock covered this site in his "Ancient Apocalypse" Netflix series episode 1 last year. As Graham has said, "stuff just keeps on getting older."
Giant Pyramid Buried in Indonesia Could Be The Oldest in The World, Researchers Say
That was always the part that tripped me up. One team of scientists says its this old, while another team says, no, its this old. We may never really know how old this stuff is.
And thanks! I'll have to check out that Netflix show. This is in an interesting part of the world, and I'd like to know more about this "Mountain of Enlightenment," as it's called. I've gained a new appreciation of these ancient things recently. History is actually pretty cool, and very interesting throughout time when you looked at it.
Cheers
RE: Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old. - EndtheMadnessNow - 11-30-2023
Quote:A 27,000-year-old pyramid? Controversy hits an extraordinary archaeological claim (28 November 2023)
A headline-grabbing paper1 claiming that a structure in Indonesia is the oldest pyramid in the world has raised the eyebrows of some archaeologists — and has now prompted an investigation by the journal that published it, Nature has learnt.
The paper, published in the journal Archaeological Prospection on 20 October, garnered headlines around the world. Its central claim is that a pyramid lying beneath the prehistoric site of Gunung Padang in West Java, Indonesia, might have been constructed as far back as 27,000 years ago.
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Archaeological Prospection and its publisher, Wiley, have since launched an investigation into the paper. Eileen Ernenwein, an archaeological geophysicist at Tennessee State University in Johnson City, who is co-editor of the journal said in an e-mail to Nature: “The editors, including me, and Wiley ethics team are currently investigating this paper in accordance with Committee on Publication Ethics guidelines.” She declined to elaborate on the nature of the concerns raised.
Farley says that people should celebrate Gunung Padang for what it is — “an amazing, important and cool site” — rather than because it can be written into any particular narrative about the development of human civilization.
Natawidjaja says that he hopes the controversy does not cause animosity in the community. “We are really open to anyone researchers around the world would like to come to Indonesia and do some research programme on Gunung Padang,” he says. “We know very little about our human history.”
Ethics dept. again because it doesn't fit their narrative.?
RE: Mountain of Enlightenment pyramid dated to be 16000-27000 years old. - BodhisattvaStyle - 11-30-2023
(11-30-2023, 02:52 AM)EndtheMadnessNow Wrote:Quote:A 27,000-year-old pyramid? Controversy hits an extraordinary archaeological claim (28 November 2023)
A headline-grabbing paper1 claiming that a structure in Indonesia is the oldest pyramid in the world has raised the eyebrows of some archaeologists — and has now prompted an investigation by the journal that published it, Nature has learnt.
The paper, published in the journal Archaeological Prospection on 20 October, garnered headlines around the world. Its central claim is that a pyramid lying beneath the prehistoric site of Gunung Padang in West Java, Indonesia, might have been constructed as far back as 27,000 years ago.
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Archaeological Prospection and its publisher, Wiley, have since launched an investigation into the paper. Eileen Ernenwein, an archaeological geophysicist at Tennessee State University in Johnson City, who is co-editor of the journal said in an e-mail to Nature: “The editors, including me, and Wiley ethics team are currently investigating this paper in accordance with Committee on Publication Ethics guidelines.” She declined to elaborate on the nature of the concerns raised.
Farley says that people should celebrate Gunung Padang for what it is — “an amazing, important and cool site” — rather than because it can be written into any particular narrative about the development of human civilization.
Natawidjaja says that he hopes the controversy does not cause animosity in the community. “We are really open to anyone researchers around the world would like to come to Indonesia and do some research programme on Gunung Padang,” he says. “We know very little about our human history.”
Ethics dept. again because it doesn't fit their narrative.?
That's what I was thinking while reading the article you shared.